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Quote:Pakistan lost 14 wickets in a day at Lord's, which means that they are bound to lose both the fourth Test and the series against England, but last night this seemed to be the least of their concerns.
The Pakistan camp was subjected to allegations of corruption by the News of the World. The paper claims that a middle-man, Mazhar Majeed, had accepted £150,000 and it is alleged that in return the Pakistan pace bowlers, Mohammad Asif and Mohammad Amir, delivered no-balls on purpose at preordained moments in the match.
Asif said: "I have spoken to the management and they have told us something happened, but not what. The management will tell us more later. We are 100% focused on the match tomorrow."
Yawar Saeed, the Pakistan tour manager, said: "I can confirm that we are aware of the allegations and Scotland Yard police are with us now at the hotel and we are helping them with their enquiries."
The practice is widely dubbed as "match-fixing", but the term "spot‑fixing" would be more accurate. Occasional no-balls are unlikely to affect the outcome of a match, but if delivered to order they can make huge sums of money for those participating in the illegal betting syndicates of the subcontinent.
Even so, these are extremely serious allegations in a sport that has agonised over match-fixing since Hansie Cronje, the former South African captain, publicly acknowledged that he had taken money from illegal bookmakers in 2000.
Pakistan players have always been under scrutiny. Several investigations have been launched though none have admitted to wrongdoing in the manner of Cronje. However, in 2000, a former captain, Salim Malik, was banned for life by the Pakistan authorities after allegations of match-fixing. The ban was rescinded in 2008.
The News of the World, who also named other players, has passed on their evidence to Scotland Yard and police were interviewing members of the Pakistan tour party last night.
Asif and the precocious 18-year-old Amir have spent most of the summer tormenting Australian and English batsmen. On Friday Amir wrecked England's upper order by taking four wickets for no runs as England were reduced to 47 for five.
During that innings Amir took his 50th Test wicket in his 14th match, thereby becoming the youngest cricketer in the history of the game to reach that landmark. A glittering career was predicted by all onlookers, the only proviso being that he stayed fit. Now another more menacing proviso has surfaced.
The News of the World alleges that Amir delivered no-balls just as Majeed had predicted; for example with the first ball of the third over of the innings. It is true that Amir has overstepped in this match by a margin that caused commentators on television and radio to express their surprise.
Fast bowlers have always been prone to overstep; it is an occupational hazard, but usually they do so by an inch or two. It was striking that on several occasions Amir overstepped by six or eight inches, a remarkable distance given how rhythmically Amir had been bowling throughout most of England's innings.
If it can be proven that Amir bowled these no-balls to order then the career of one of the most brilliant young cricketers in the world could be in jeopardy. Moreover, Pakistan's capacity to go beyond the sports pages has been confirmed yet again.
The final Test of the 2006 series at The Oval against England ended in chaos when Pakistan refused to take the field after tea on the fourth day because the umpire Darrell Hair had implicated that they were tampering with the ball. The match was abandoned and eventually awarded to England.
This episode is potentially even more damaging to a cricket team, already denied the chance to play cricket in their own country because of the threat of terrorism. It is assumed that the Lord's Test will continue this morning and that England, who expect play to go ahead as scheduled, will win. But it will be a victory that no one will feel inclined to celebrate. http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/aug/29/pakistan-cricket-betting-allegationsThe Sydney Test match if it wasn't already questionable it has to be now... did some maths while over the bbq just then, Australia were at one point 40-1 to win the test match, $100,000 on that would of earned 4 million dollars
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See what I posted in WGMG. Fuck Pakistani Cricket. Fuck them for everything they've done to ruin Cricket. Ban the country from all international cricket for atleast 2 years. Don't let them back in till they've completely overhauled the administration, and weeded out every single filthy, greedy prick who has done this. So fucking pissed off right now.
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on the topic of no balls i'm sure a few others would have heard about the sri lanka v india no-ball scandal, involving suresh randiv and virender sehwag
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thing is to an extent it is the players but also the illegal betting agencies, what is law enforcement in pakistan and ESPECIALLY India doing about shutting them down... i don't think you can only blame Pakistan for this, the IPL is just as bad but the BCCI i think is willing to tolerate it because they know how important the IPL is to them... it's the whole subcontinent not just pakistan... also have a look at the PCB, the pakistani players are only getting paid a pittance compared to many other cricketers (also pakistani's can't play in the IPL so they don't get those financial benefits), they get paid AU100,000 a year which is of corse good money, but compare that to Australians and Englishmen and most of the Indians, when they can earn as much as they get in a year for bowling one no-ball you can see the temptation... so i wouldn't say greedy as much as looking for equality but still it's wrong, breaks the laws of the game, not in the spirit of cricket and also is illegal so they don't have anyone else to blame
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It goes beyong equal pay and stuff though. Look at West Indies cricketers, they're payed barely what Pakistan players are, but you don't see this constantly happening with them. From what I've read, it's (Bribery/Greed/Cheating) something that's deeply ingrained in the culture of Pakistan itself.
If it was just pay, that would be even stupider. The players are earning what, 50-100k from the matchfixing? They'll earn triple that in the IPL, at least. It's not just about pay, it's deeply rooted in their system as a whole.
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Pakistan's a fucked up corrupt, Taliban influence country. Wouldn't suprise me if they fall to the Taliban in the next 5-10 years - then you won't need to worry about not having to play them in Cricket. That's why everybody is so reluctent to donate money, aid and what not for their floods.
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Funky Munky wrote:See what I posted in WGMG. Fuck Pakistani Cricket. Fuck them for everything they've done to ruin Cricket. Ban the country from all international cricket for atleast 2 years. Don't let them back in till they've completely overhauled the administration, and weeded out every single filthy, greedy prick who has done this. So fucking pissed off right now. Couldnt agree more. They a failed state too, but the taliban are not to blame heiney
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Funky Munky wrote:If it was just pay, that would be even stupider. The players are earning what, 50-100k from the matchfixing? They'll earn triple that in the IPL, at least. It's not just about pay, it's deeply rooted in their system as a whole. But the Pakistani players don't play IPL because the past 3 series the BCCI haven't allowed them to do so... but you do have a point about the West Indian players, but it is not only pakistan that has this culture, look at what happened with Modi the IPL as Chairman/Commissioner and the recent allegation that the IPL auction was rigged so Chennai was able to get Flintoff... It's cultural and the worrying thing is the changing power of world cricket changing from England and Australia to India as the nation making the big calls in relation to cricket around the world. The thing about this though is that Salum Butt has always came across as a clean skin and one of the most respected Pakistani players world wide, and that he is the supposed ring leader in all of this just makes things worse... like it'd come to no suprise if the Akmal's are involved but Butt to be is a massive hit.
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The Doctor wrote: The thing about this though is that Salum Butt has always came across as a clean skin and one of the most respected Pakistani players world wide, and that he is the supposed ring leader in all of this just makes things worse... like it'd come to no suprise if the Akmal's are involved but Butt to be is a massive hit.
What's worse is that Mohammed Amir has been caught up in this. The amazing talent he was showing has now all gone to waste, either because of his own greed, or his team mates. It's pathetic.
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Funky Munky wrote:The Doctor wrote: The thing about this though is that Salum Butt has always came across as a clean skin and one of the most respected Pakistani players world wide, and that he is the supposed ring leader in all of this just makes things worse... like it'd come to no suprise if the Akmal's are involved but Butt to be is a massive hit.
What's worse is that Mohammed Amir has been caught up in this. The amazing talent he was showing has now all gone to waste, either because of his own greed, or his team mates. It's pathetic. yesterday became the fastest test match player to reach 50 test wickets... a career that promises so much could go down the toilet rather quickly, he's such a great talent and he could be stuffed now... but has he done this of his own accord or has he done so under the command of his captain? the details are only vague and were only going off hersay but the footage doesn't look good at all
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The Doctor wrote:Funky Munky wrote:The Doctor wrote: The thing about this though is that Salum Butt has always came across as a clean skin and one of the most respected Pakistani players world wide, and that he is the supposed ring leader in all of this just makes things worse... like it'd come to no suprise if the Akmal's are involved but Butt to be is a massive hit.
What's worse is that Mohammed Amir has been caught up in this. The amazing talent he was showing has now all gone to waste, either because of his own greed, or his team mates. It's pathetic. yesterday became the fastest test match player to reach 50 test wickets... a career that promises so much could go down the toilet rather quickly, he's such a great talent and he could be stuffed now... but has he done this of his own accord or has he done so under the command of his captain? the details are only vague and were only going off hersay but the footage doesn't look good at all I would hope he did so under the orders of his captain, but even then, he could have refused, etc.
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Funky Munky wrote:The Doctor wrote:Funky Munky wrote:The Doctor wrote: The thing about this though is that Salum Butt has always came across as a clean skin and one of the most respected Pakistani players world wide, and that he is the supposed ring leader in all of this just makes things worse... like it'd come to no suprise if the Akmal's are involved but Butt to be is a massive hit.
What's worse is that Mohammed Amir has been caught up in this. The amazing talent he was showing has now all gone to waste, either because of his own greed, or his team mates. It's pathetic. yesterday became the fastest test match player to reach 50 test wickets... a career that promises so much could go down the toilet rather quickly, he's such a great talent and he could be stuffed now... but has he done this of his own accord or has he done so under the command of his captain? the details are only vague and were only going off hersay but the footage doesn't look good at all I would hope he did so under the orders of his captain, but even then, he could have refused, etc. depends what say Butt has in selecting the team, don't do it you'll be dropped sort of thing... but again we can't say anything for sure... supposedly it's 7 of the 11 players, would like to know who isn't involved because you could probably pick which one's are in on it, the Akmal brothers, Butt and Amir make four
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Asif is apparently in on it as well, which doesn't surprise me at all.
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Funky Munky wrote:Asif is apparently in on it as well, which doesn't surprise me at all. This. Asif strikes me as a slippery fuck
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Funky Munky wrote:Asif is apparently in on it as well, which doesn't surprise me at all. I share your outrage Funky. The cricket world needs to piss the Pakis off for a couple of years until they can prove they have their act together. What talent in that team that is just going to waste.
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just watching the start of the test match coverage with david gower, and at first this afternoon it was batted round as a joke when i was down my uncles reading the telegraph about the supposed bullshit bets in the league, and if you wanted to do something properly you gotta do it like the pakkies... but now it's just sad, the possible realities of the team and the ramifications of the team who are innocent and what this means for cricket across the world... nasser was saying that there was an enquiry in county cricket involving essex and it took 12 months for a player to be arrested let alone an enquiry or court hearing so how long this could take is abit of a concern
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the thing that pisses me off about the whole thing is, Pakistan have been notorious for match fixing or having problems in their game.
They have not produced a decent performance in a long time and have become the world whipping boys of cricket.
Their problems are easy noticeable and they have internal strife after every single match. Players get banned, then unbanned, then banned again.
The players found guilty should be banned for minimum 5 years. Pakistan should be banned from the game for 2 years.
Zimbabwe has done nothing wrong in world cricket yet they get ostracised and pakistan get to play home games in england.
The ICC are almost as corrupt as FIFA and they obviously have no integrity. If pakistan get away with this, then it will be a sham.
If i were England i wouldnt be playing the ODIS and T20s.
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Treason charge filed by a Lahore layer. Death penalty applies. http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/pakistan-players-hit-with-treason-charge-20100830-147gh.htmlQuote:AFP
A Pakistani lawyer on Monday filed treason charges against national cricket team players facing an investigation into claims they fixed matches for money in England, he said.
Ahmed said his case will be heard in Lahore High court on Tuesday.
"In my petition to the court I've said that this spot-fixing amounts to dishonesty to the nation and falls under the law of treason," said Ahmed.
"The suspected players have let the whole nation down and abrogated the constitution of the country and if they are proven guilty they should be banned for life and their assets confiscated," lawyer Ishtiaq Ahmed told AFP.
Seven Pakistan national team players face a police investigation over the spot-fixing scandal which surfaced on Sunday in a British newspaper - News of the World.
Police have arrested and released on bail a man on allegations of conspiracy to defraud bookmakers.
Mazhar Majeed allegedly paid money to Pakistani players to under-perform during the fourth and final Test against Lord's, which Pakistan lost by an innings on Sunday.
Treason in Pakistan carries the death penalty. Edited by Mr: 30/8/2010 10:21:03 PM
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Aaemer no ball, Asif.
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zimbos_05 wrote:They have not produced a decent performance in a long time and have become the world whipping boys of cricket. that's not completley true, the test match wins against England and earlier Australia at Leeds was really good cricket, both bowling and batting was strong, there just not consistent enough and mentally there not the strongest... and depending on how deep this runs to wether there fixing results although i don't think it's going that bad Quote:The players found guilty should be banned for minimum 5 years. Pakistan should be banned from the game for 2 years. I'm in favour of giving players an extended ban... i don't know about life bans, i don't like wipping out players like that but if it is really bad similar to Cronje then it has to be considered... no way should they ban Pakistan because then you are punishing players who are innocent and Pakistani cricket needs test match status, i'm with the thinking of Jeff Lawson on this, i don't think banning them from world cricket is going to help, it'd probably make it alot worse and we'd probably lose Pakistan as a test match nation forever Quote:Zimbabwe has done nothing wrong in world cricket yet they get ostracised and pakistan get to play home games in england. don't get me started, politcal influence dating back to Heath Streak affair (arguably Zimbabwe's best player) when he was sacked by ZC, financial payments to players not being made... then you've got people inside the administration being hired and fired on race... selections of players based on the race of a player, not being able to host matches by guaranteeing safety of visiting players and teams boycotting tours based on political grounds... oh no they've done nothing wrong at all :roll:
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For those who might not understand why players would take risks like this, and why the PCB needs to be severly re-worked, Read this piece by Geoff Lawson (Particularly the part in Bold): source wrote: Easy to overstep the mark when players' families' lives are at stake Geoff Lawson August 31, 2010
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People have been quick to judge the Pakistani cricketers, but what is happening might have nothing to do with money.
If these allegations of fixing are proved, it could be related to extortion, threats, and the well-being of their own family members. It would not surprise me if illegal bookmakers have told players that if they do not perform X and Y, their families will be kidnapped or harmed.
In my time as Pakistan coach, I gained some incredible insights into the workings of the country and the team, and I'll never forget the time the team captain called me up to his room on the eve of a match.
Earlier that day, a player who we had not selected for the game approached me, saying: ''I was told I would be playing tomorrow.'' My response was, ''Well no, you're not, you've obviously been given the wrong information.''
Then the skipper of the side called me late in the evening. I went to his room and he was standing there with a very sombre-looking selector.
This selector said: ''We must pick [the player who had earlier approached me], I have been told that if he is not in the team tomorrow, my daughter will be kidnapped and I will not see her again.''
At first we both laughed, but then we realised he was being serious. Our chairman then called the president, Pervez Musharraf, who in turn phoned the people behind the threats and said they had better reconsider or else. The next we heard the matter had been resolved.
We must also remember that we are judging these guys by the standards of our own country, when their situations are vastly different.
The first time I met Mohammad Amir was when he was 16 years old, coming to an under-19s camp. He comes from a small village near the Swat valley and was delayed by three hours because the Taliban had closed the highway. That doesn't happen in this country. One thing that struck me about Amir was his constant smile, his zest for the game. That has not changed.
I will never condone any form of fixing, but we should consider that a cricketer might not be thinking of personal gain but of getting money to buy a generator for his village because they don't have electricity.
I had a lot to do with Mohammad Asif and he was always missing training sessions to look after his sick mother. He has spent a lot of his money on looking after his family.
If Salman Butt is involved in any match-fixing, I would be absolutely stunned. He is a very intelligent, polite guy and has done well since taking over the team.
I cannot remember one incident in my time as coach of Pakistan that aroused suspicion of a fix.
I had my eye on it when Asif and Shoaib Akhtar had come back from their nandrolone bans. We had a meeting about match-fixing and spot-fixing.
We were pretty consistent during my tenure. The players knew there were financial rewards for performing well.
My first reaction to this latest news was sadness. These are people I know, people I call friends. This will probably be the end of some careers.
I don't think Pakistan should be banished. We have seen them survive some incredible on- and off-field turmoil. You shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
But I will say that the present Pakistan administration cannot escape some of the blame for this. What they need right now is positive leadership and they don't have it. The Pakistan Cricket Board chairman, Ijaz Butt, is not a leader, he should not have the job.
When I was there, the board did not have people with vested interests, they were business people who treated people fairly. The first-class players were looked after and paid well and it made a difference.
It would be the greatest tragedy if a young man like Aamer has been led astray.
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The Doctor wrote:zimbos_05 wrote:They have not produced a decent performance in a long time and have become the world whipping boys of cricket. that's not completley true, the test match wins against England and earlier Australia at Leeds was really good cricket, both bowling and batting was strong, there just not consistent enough and mentally there not the strongest... and depending on how deep this runs to wether there fixing results although i don't think it's going that bad as a test playing nation though, their standard has been shocking overall TheDoctor wrote:Quote:Zimbabwe has done nothing wrong in world cricket yet they get ostracised and pakistan get to play home games in england. don't get me started, politcal influence dating back to Heath Streak affair (arguably Zimbabwe's best player) when he was sacked by ZC, financial payments to players not being made... then you've got people inside the administration being hired and fired on race... selections of players based on the race of a player, not being able to host matches by guaranteeing safety of visiting players and teams boycotting tours based on political grounds... oh no they've done nothing wrong at all :roll: [/quote] those internal affairs affected us quite badly, i will agree. but zim cricket has never jeaopordised the game on a whole or brought it into disrepute like this. name me one team that has toured zimbabwe and not been safe. this whole safety nonsense is bullshit. its unsafer goin to india or pakistan but we still go there even though bombings take place right before our eyes. ok yes for a short period zim cricket was in a poor shape, but they have changed things. the whole security argument is crap. its made up by england for their hate towards mugabe and its total utter crap. even now, they on their way back up and making positive signs, but still not getting the support from the cricketing. pakistan are bringing the game into disrepute, yet keep getting away, zimbabwes crime is corrupt government, fullstop. the icc are a load of crap and this is bullshit.
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zimbos_05 wrote:
as a test playing nation though, their standard has been shocking overall
those internal affairs affected us quite badly, i will agree. but zim cricket has never jeaopordised the game on a whole or brought it into disrepute like this. name me one team that has toured zimbabwe and not been safe. this whole safety nonsense is bullshit. its unsafer goin to india or pakistan but we still go there even though bombings take place right before our eyes.
ok yes for a short period zim cricket was in a poor shape, but they have changed things. the whole security argument is crap. its made up by england for their hate towards mugabe and its total utter crap. even now, they on their way back up and making positive signs, but still not getting the support from the cricketing.
pakistan are bringing the game into disrepute, yet keep getting away, zimbabwes crime is corrupt government, fullstop. the icc are a load of crap and this is bullshit.
So is West Indies standard of play currently... dumping them for a poor standard of play is not the reason why you dump them... you can't tour on political grounds, it sets a standard that your fine with whats going on and after the election last year you couldn't tour anytime soon... Pakistan has hardly been toured over the past 5-6 years besides the ill fated Sri Lanka tour last year. India is different because they don't have political instability of nations like Zimbabwe and Pakistan although tensions between Pakistan and India have always been high and after the Mumbai Bombings in 2008 England returned home for a week while the whole series was rescheduled so that no matches were played that could be of a risk... it also doesn't help that India as now the most powerful cricket nation in the world Doesn't FIFA ban nations when there FA's become politically influenced? the same has been done with Zimbabwe
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Quote:[size=6] Four Pakistan cricketers 'unlikely' to finish tour[/size] Four Pakistan cricketers under scrutiny for claims of spot-fixing are unlikely to play again on the current England tour, the BBC understands. The BBC's Pat Murphy said the four may lack the mental focus required to play. The International Cricket Council is preparing a report, while police carry out a separate criminal investigation. The four players, who have not been suspended but have been questioned by the police, are Salman Butt, Mohammad Amir, Mohammad Asif and Kamran Akmal. However, the ICC has since confirmed that Akmal is no longer part of the Scotland Yard investigation, although Murphy stressed that he was not saying that the wicketkeeper had been cleared of any wrongdoing. Murphy added that the ICC was concerned about banning the four players based on a newspaper expose and an incomplete investigation from Scotland Yard, and therefore wanted to receive the findings from the anti-corruption unit urgently. The results are expected within days. The anti-corruption unit's representatives are now in the UK, while the Pakistani government is sending members of its equivalent organisation to work with Scotland Yard. An ICC news conference has now been pencilled in for Thursday. Murphy told BBC Radio 5 live: "A conference call between Pakistan high commissioner [Wajid Shamsul Hasan] and chairman of the cricket board [Ijaz Butt], who are in London, and sports minister [Ijaz Hussain Jakhrani] in Islamabad will take place on Tuesday. "And given the importance of cricket in Pakistan, the prime minister [Yusuf Raza Gilani] may also be directly involved in the discussions. "Although the players will still be deemed to be innocent until proven guilty, it's almost certain they will taken out of the firing line and the formula of words citing mental pressure and a lack of necessary focus, will necessitate their withdrawal from the Twenty20 matches and the one-day series." ICC chief executive Haroon Lorgat told BBC Radio 5 live that the intention is to conclude the investigation before the start of the first of two Twenty20 internationals against England, in Cardiff on Sunday. The ICC has also stated that Pakistan's tour of England will carry on - they are due to play Somerset in a tour match from Thursday. President Sharad Pawar said it was the "desire of the ICC and the cricket boards of England and Pakistan that the game should continue". Lorgat added: "The reputation of the game has been tarnished and it is something we must make right. There is no question that people's confidence will have been swayed. "We're busy with the Metropolitan Police and hope, before the weekend arrives, we can get to some sort of a conclusion. "We are working hard, but it's important to remember that an individual is innocent until proven guilty. "I'm in touch with the investigators. It's likely I might have to come across to London. But this is a live issue which moves with the hour, every hour. "At the moment, it is appropriate that the game continues. We shouldn't let everyone suffer because of a couple of individuals that might have got caught up in corrupt practices. "The vast majority of players are not guilty of any such behaviour. They play the sport in the right spirit, and there are many fans who want to watch the game. "We shouldn't let a couple of individuals, a few players, bring the entire game to a standstill." Test captain Butt, fast bowlers Amir and Asif and wicketkeeper Akmal were questioned by police at the team's hotel in London on Sunday following a report that some Pakistan players had been bribed to fix incidents during the fourth Test against England at Lord's. The allegations centred on three no-balls from Amir and Asif which the News of the World newspaper said had been bowled on purpose at pre-determined times to facilitate betting coups after a "middle man" accepted £150,000 in cash from an undercover reporter. The man identified as the alleged go-between, cricket agent Mazhar Majeed, 35, has been released on police bail after being arrested on Saturday on suspicion of conspiracy to defraud bookmakers. Mazhar also owns Croydon Athletic Football Club, who have released a statement saying they are "devastated and appalled to hear of the alleged match-fixing of international cricket matches by its owner Mazhar Majeed". After their game against Somerset, Pakistan are due to play two Twenty20 internationals and five one-day internationals against England in September. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/england/8953417.stm
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So is West Indies standard of play currently... dumping them for a poor standard of play is not the reason why you dump them... you can't tour on political grounds, it sets a standard that your fine with whats going on and after the election last year you couldn't tour anytime soon... Pakistan has hardly been toured over the past 5-6 years besides the ill fated Sri Lanka tour last year. India is different because they don't have political instability of nations like Zimbabwe and Pakistan although tensions between Pakistan and India have always been high and after the Mumbai Bombings in 2008 England returned home for a week while the whole series was rescheduled so that no matches were played that could be of a risk... it also doesn't help that India as now the most powerful cricket nation in the world
Doesn't FIFA ban nations when there FA's become politically influenced? the same has been done with Zimbabwe
zimbabwes cricket board is not politically influenced contrary to all reports you may have read. i know this first hand....it was a case of a few corrup people getting drunk with power. im saying pakistan have brought a poor standard of play to the game for soo long, and now they have this. its a culmination of things. im not saying ban them on performance basis. so india who has no political instability but bombings, is ok to tour. yet zimbabwe which has greedy leaders, but it far safer than touring the sub-continent will ever be, is a risk. that is just the british govt bringing out their colonial hate and creating this nonsense. touring zimbabwe is not on political grounds. you go there, play the cricket and then you leave. if the govt was to get involved, then its understandable, but the govt never got involved in zimbabwe. fifa ban and punish whoever they want...they a different kettle of fish.
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Latest news is that seven players and officials are being hauled before the Pakistani courts and charged with treason.
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afromanGT wrote:Latest news is that seven players and officials are being hauled before the Pakistani courts and charged with treason. And what's even crazier about that is that Treason can be punishable by death in Pakistan.
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sydneycroatia58 wrote:afromanGT wrote:Latest news is that seven players and officials are being hauled before the Pakistani courts and charged with treason. And what's even crazier about that is that Treason can be punishable by death in Pakistan. Off to the gallows then...
WOLLONGONG WOLVES FOR A-LEAGUE EXPANSION!
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It wouldn't be a surprise if they didn't return to Pakistan tbh.
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zimbos_05 wrote: zimbabwes cricket board is not politically influenced contrary to all reports you may have read. i know this first hand....it was a case of a few corrup people getting drunk with power.
im saying pakistan have brought a poor standard of play to the game for soo long, and now they have this. its a culmination of things. im not saying ban them on performance basis.
so india who has no political instability but bombings, is ok to tour. yet zimbabwe which has greedy leaders, but it far safer than touring the sub-continent will ever be, is a risk. that is just the british govt bringing out their colonial hate and creating this nonsense.
touring zimbabwe is not on political grounds. you go there, play the cricket and then you leave. if the govt was to get involved, then its understandable, but the govt never got involved in zimbabwe.
fifa ban and punish whoever they want...they a different kettle of fish.
Then why did all those players resign saying that the ZC had become politically influenced and corrupt 5-6 years ago... Pakistan bring an average standard, but you could argue that they haven't played at home for x amount of years and any team who plays away from home permanently will struggle, just look at India's test match record away from the subcontinent or the west indies in recent time away from the Caribbean... they are no worse than the West Indies in there cricketing standard, but produce better players... You PULL OUT of a tour on political grounds based on the assumption if you go there you condone what's happening there, that precedent has been set with Stephen Fleming about Pakistan and Stuart McGill on Zimbabwe... there colonial hate? mate your talking abit of nonsense when the nation can't have free elections, you may say that there isn't political influence on Zimbabwe Cricket but the ICC say so and there the ruling body on the matter
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