But when you're counting down at new year...you go "10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, ZERO" and then the fireworks go off. They don't go off at "1" or "zero".

I'm considering a few possible actions.

1 is to remove Akinfeev from the market so nobody gets him.

1 is to award the player to scouse, though this would go against my original conviction.

The other is to just give the player to gooner.

I'd like to hear the opinions of more than just those who have already voiced them. Was gooner's bid legitimate or not? What do you think? Just a yes or no answer will do, I don't want an essay rebutting my school of thought. Just some 20 odd yay or nay's.

Edited by afromanGT: 27/10/2010 01:04:03 PM

I think the contention should not be whether 6.00.00 is before the deadline. It's not, and the case for this is very strong.

However, the contention should be whether Afro provides leeway for the time it takes for the server to process the bid. If a club sends and email to the FA to approve a transfer, and it is sent on 5.59.59, but doesn't arrive until after the deadline, the i'm sure the FA let it stand.

The only other bid that should be under the microscope in this ruling is Draupnirs bid for Ibra.

And everybody who is submitting bids now or saying that 1 second after the deadline is the same as 2 days, seriously grow the fuck up.

So, in summary, the question is

Which event is the defining one in this instance:

A) The time the bid was submitted; or
B) The time the bid was displayed.

The bosmans have nothing to do with it. It's like signing a pre contract deal.

I've lost my enthusiasm for this controversy .... imno is right, what's the interpretation is wether you accept it when he hits post or when the server posts the bid... with the draupnir i don't think you can really do it if the bid never turns up on the server, i maybe bias but if it doesn't show up and your only going only hearsay i don't think you can overturn a bid

Because the angry mob has spoken

time test
1:47 post

so a rough 2 second delay, from when i've timed it post at 1:47:00 and it comes up as 1:47:02... by this you would assume that gooner would have 'submitted' before the deadline but it also means that sydcro submitted his bosman deals before the window open because the transfer rules where the window opened AFTER 3PM, which we will assume is 3:00:00PM not the entire minute, SydCro MUST have submitted before the window had opened, his bosman deals must be null and void

Also depends on how quick your net is wouldn't it.

Yes Gooner should get Akinfeev



I took this as 3pm ≤ Transfer Window ≥ 6pm tuesday. Gooners bid was in this time in my opinion.

So you're saying that somehow "until 6pm" is suddenly "including 6pm"? Until 6:00:00. 5:59:59 is the last second of the deadline.

Once that second runs out, the time ticks over to 6:00:00 and thus the deadline has passed.

to an extent yes but it isn't instant, that there is atleast a second delay between clicking post and actual postage ;)

Yeah and that second would mean mine would have been submitted at 3:00:00, thus valid:lol: ;)

Edited by sydneycroatia58: 27/10/2010 02:30:31 PM

hypothetically if the post was at 6:00:01 but it was allegedly "submitted" before the deadline would it still be approved?

NO it wouldn't because the rules strictly state AFTER 3PM... you were exactly ON 3PM, it would be null and valid because you submitted your bid before the transfer window was opened, afro may of intended for it to be on but he wrote after and that is all we have to go on, the first valid time to actually post would be 3:00:01 not 3:00:00

If the interpretation of the gooner bid is by the submitted time your bid has to be disallowed, it just has to be because then that decision would set a precedent that bids are set by the time they are submitted not the time they are posted

Edited by The Doctor: 27/10/2010 02:35:53 PM

Everybody Love Everybody

Mack, you obviously didn't read my post in full. If you choose to use the time that the bid was posted as the deciding time, then i don't think it should count. What I was saying, though, is that he could use the time the bid was submitted, which was prior to deadline.

Whatever, lets just note on.

Let gooner have him

If he goes to gooner this is completely rigged.

this post answers all. 2 second delay. on this we can only assume that gooner gets him.

But it's not a 2 second delay for every computer is it.

No this test cannot be a representative of every post because delay's can vary, you'd be nieve to think otherwise... some computers and internet providers will be faster and slower, although i think it's fair to say that there is a delay between clicking post and and it appearing on 442, BUT the interpretation is what it should be decided upon, should transfers be taken from the time on the post or when a person has clicked, i think people should have to compensate for there internet and know that there will be a delay, this is why i think sydcro has timed his bosman tranfer's perfectly while gooner completely fucked his up, but it depends on afro's decision and the interpretation...

i don't think we should argue wether gooner deserves the player or not i think we should decide on when a submission should be counted from, the only fair and reliable way is the 442 clock because otherwise your going on people's hearsay

why does everyone aside from me, scouse and afro give a fuck about this, afro this is up to you, you chose to give him to me so you should stand by your desiscion

and it took about 5-10 seconds between the time i clicked post and the time the post came up on the screen, it would normally take about 2 seconds on my internet but i assume it was because there was more activity in this thread than normal at the time that there was a slight delay of a few seconds

firstly because where an angry mob


secondly, you should of compensated for the delay, you should of known at that time the thread would of has high activity and the delay would be greater... people give a fuck (well i give a fuck) because this will set a precedent for every other deadline transfer if it goes on the exact time or just after it

I stayed out of the whole transfer period because it was always going to end up in a situation like this lol.

actually i think i've found a precedent in this situation

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if it was to appear after the deadline, it would not be counted as we can assume that his post was clicked at deadline or after, considering we using 2 seconds as our minimal time between clicking post and appear.

but in this case, on the criteria of 2 seconds, gooner was in time.

so, are you supporting me, or scouse, imno? :lol:

but gooner himself said it took 5-10 seconds... im not stating the 2 seconds is applicable to apply to this but it's something to take into hand... the arguement isn't wether he post in time, he obviously click post when the window was open but the arguement is over the interpretation of the rules

fair enough, so Gooner hasnt broken any rules then.


if that is the case, is he not entitled to the player. The messenger was slow in getting to FFA headquarters and its not really the clubs fault.

well you might say it is because gooner didn't take that into account when posting... i don't think we should go by gooner or by anybody's hearsay in submitting a bid because then it becomes unreliable

if i have not broken any rules then as zimbos said in signing the player, why should said player be taken away from me?