Buddha's 2012/13 NFL Season Thread


Buddha's 2012/13 NFL Season Thread

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I'd go Bills, Houston, Galcons, Saints, Niners, Bengals, Cards, Pats, Packers, Eagles.
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I went to put my money where my mouth is and match your bet and it's been so long since I bet on sportsbet that they've frozen my account and I need my medicare no. to get access again. And I can't find my medicare :( So much for betting on this week's games.
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Problem Solved.

So I've got $5 on Texans-Bills-Falcons-Chiefs-Saints-Niners-Pats-Packers paying $48.

I've got $10 on Packers-Steelers-Eagles-Benglas-Raiders-Niners-Saints-Chiefs-Falcons at $240.

I've got $5 on the Bills paying $8 and a sneaky $5 on the Bears in the off chance that Jay Cutler turns up paying $18.
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Fucking Miami.

And for the 8th time this season, Packers concede points on the opening drive. #-o

Edited by afromanGT: 7/11/2011 08:27:26 AM
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They are playing away at what is supposed to be one of the better teams in the league. This was always going to be a shootout.
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'one of the better teams in the league' have thrown two interceptions in the first quarter. You CAN'T be conceding 7 points on the opening drive of every game! You don't want to be giving teams a head start like that. Especially against highly rated defences like the Ravens, should we play them at any point. We've conceded the second highest YPG in the NFL.
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afromanGT wrote:
We've conceded the second highest YPG in the NFL.

Yet they are 7-0.
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That's only because of Rodgers' performances. If he has a bad game we're in real trouble. It's a team sport.

And now they're in real trouble, they've fumbled an off-side kick which the Chargers recovered and it's 38-45 and the Chargers have the ball back in mid field with 4+ mins on the clock. They wouldn't be in this position if they hadn't conceded off the first drive.
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I don't know how you can make that assumption. Anything could have happened between now and then. It's not how you start, it's how you finish. And I admit, they aren't finishing particularly well.
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And now a disgusting call goes against us. 4th down, Gates stops dead and Woodson cannons into him because he's watching the QB - this takes place before the throw and the ref calls pass interference #-o 5 yards and an automatic first down.
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f1worldchamp wrote:
I don't know how you can make that assumption. Anything could have happened between now and then. It's not how you start, it's how you finish. And I admit, they aren't finishing particularly well.

You can say that any time, sure. But the way the O has played, they'd have a 4 possession game if it weren't for that opening drive TD to the Chargers.
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The Packers ended the first quarter up 21-7, so it's been since then the damage was done.
I think the offense does what it needs to. If the defense plays badly they step up. If the defense plays well they seem to take their time. We haven't had a great offensive display and great defensive display in the same game yet.
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The damage done since then wouldn't be an issue if it was 21-0 at the end of the first Quarter.

We held on, but it shouldn't have been that close. Ever. You CAN'T keep conceding on the first down. Defensive teams like the Lions and Ravens will eat us a live if we keep doing that.
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I can't agree. Say it was 21-0 after the first quarter, then SD scored on their first possesion of the second quarter. Still makes it 21-7. Hell, if todays game had been Packers 45 SD 0 at some stage, then the Chargers scored 38 straight, would that have made a difference? It really doesn't matter when the points are scored.

BTW, I LOL'd at you comapring the Lions defence to the Ravens. It's not even close.

Edited by f1worldchamp: 7/11/2011 11:48:00 AM
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Ravens and Ravens are ranked first and sixth in yards per pass, and second and fifth for points per game. They're not far removed. The Lions are the best ranked defence the packers still have to play.
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Great effort Patriots :( Losing at home to the Giants. As if we gave them a touchdown with 16 seconds left. We really need an overhaul of our defense. Still wondering why we let Brandon Merriweather go.
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Meriweather was let go because they couldn't balance the salary cap with him there. He's only on a one year deal at the Bears, so he can leave RFA at the end of the season. I'd take him at packers, but a decent CB is more of an issue.
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Packers: 8-0 and wanting much more
By Kevin Seifert
Aaron Rodgers was 21-of-26 and threw four TDs as he led the Packers over the Chargers.
SAN DIEGO -- The Green Bay Packers returned two interceptions for touchdowns Sunday. Their quarterback produced his most efficient game of a marvelous season, throwing almost as many touchdown passes (four) as he did incompletions (five). And yet their matchup against the San Diego Chargers was in doubt until the final minute.

That dichotomy left the Packers something short of jubilant after a 45-38 victory at Qualcomm Stadium, one that elevated their record to 8-0 but exposed new concerns about their defense.

On the one hand, the Packers were thrilled to have handed Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers the first three-interception game of his career. And most everyone was out of superlatives for quarterback Aaron Rodgers. (All except nose tackle B.J. Raji, who said: "I don't want to say anything crazy. I just think if he keeps doing what he's doing, he'll be the one they'll be talking about as long as this game is around".)

And if the Packers fall short of their Super Bowl hopes this season? I imagine we'll be talking about their pass defense as a primary cause. Most players were cautious in their assessment of Sunday's game. But perhaps the most important one, cornerback Charles Woodson, bluntly laid it out after Rivers rolled for 164 yards and two touchdowns in the fourth quarter to make this game closer than it should have been.

Speaking steadily and with a steel gaze in his eyes, Woodson said the Packers played "a lot of bad football" Sunday. He termed the defense "the liability on this team" and said the Packers must get linebacker Clay Matthews in better position "to be the Claymaker."

Most important, Woodson acknowledged the Packers can't expect elite play from Rodgers to carry them every week from now until Super Bowl XLVI.

"We can't ask our offense to do anything more than what they’ve done," Woodson said. "For those guys to just go up and down the field and score points, I mean, we have to understand that it's not going to always be that way. There's going to be some time when we're going to have to come up bigger than the offense. That's just the reality. We're very fortunate to have the guys we have on the offensive side of the ball. But we have to carry our weight as well."

Although he passed for a season-low 247 yards, Rodgers scrambled for 51 yards and finished with his highest passer rating (145.8) of the year. In the Packers' perfect eight-game start, Rodgers has completed 72.5 percent of his passes, thrown 24 touchdowns, limited himself to three interceptions and produced a passer rating of at least 110 in each game, an NFL record.

For his part, Rodgers said that "I'd like to think I can keep it up" in the second half of the season. And tight end Jermichael Finley expressed confidence that the offense can continue its elite play. "It doesn't matter what [the defense] does," Finley said. "That's a long story short."

At the same time, I trust and heed what Woodson says. He is not prone to post-game outbursts, and if he publicly identifies a point of concern, I take it seriously. Two years ago, for example, he accurately noted the Packers' mistake in releasing safety Anthony Smith and smartly questioned the Packers' strategy of sitting back in coverage as Minnesota Vikings quarterback Brett Favre carved them up.

Tramon Williams returned an interception 40 yards for a critical touchdown.So we find ourselves at a bit of a crossroads in our regard for the Packers. They are without question the best team in the NFL midway through the season. But two years ago, we learned the danger of entering the playoffs with a shaky pass defense.

Should we be concerned about a defense that is allowing nearly 300 passing yards per game? Or, after eight victories, should we accept it as part of the Packers' winning formula? After all, the Packers have now gone six consecutive games with at least two interceptions. Sunday, safety Charlie Peprah and cornerback Tramon Williams accounted for a third of the Packers' scoring by returning their interceptions for touchdowns, and Peprah sealed the game on a second interception with 14 seconds remaining.

In all fairness, however, no team that returns two interceptions for scores, and has a quarterback dealing like Rodgers, should be sweating out a game in the final minute.

"We like to think that we have a lot of playmakers on our defense, especially in the back end," Woodson said. "We feel like if the ball is in the air, we'll come up with our fair share certainly. But how many times are you going to have two interceptions for a touchdown? … Yeah, today it played out big for us. But we have to be more sound as a defense throughout the whole game."

I don't want to rain on the Packers' parade based simply on Woodson's comments and on yardage totals. As we've noted several times this season, the Packers have limited opposing quarterbacks to one of the lowest passer ratings (79.3) in the NFL. Oftentimes, passer rating is more illustrative of total pass defense than yards allowed.

In fact, according to Raji, Packers coaches presented an even more obscure stat -- passer rating differential -- to players this week as an assurance of what they're doing well this season. The Packers have led the NFL all season in that statistic, which measures the difference between your quarterback's passer rating and that of opponents in your games. It's generally considered a key indicator of a team's success potential.

"It's a huge deal," Raji said. "I don't know how it will sit after today, but ultimately we are 8-0 with work to do. That sets the ceiling pretty high for our football team."

Yes, the Packers are undefeated and have room for demonstrable improvement. Atop that list, according to Woodson, is creating a better environment for Matthews, who had one quarterback hit Sunday and has only three sacks this season. Woodson's advice for defensive coordinator Dom Capers was direct.

"We have to find ways to get Clay to the quarterback, whatever that may be," Woodson said. "Draw some things up for him and let him do his thing. Because we can't continue to allow him to be stuck on a side and double teamed every time he gets upfield. I think for us, finding ways to get him to be the 'Claymaker' which he is, we have to find ways to get him to the quarterback."

Matthews spoke only generally about the situation, saying: "Not to take anything from this victory today, or the performance we had at the end, but we also gave up too many [yards] and it seems to be a constant theme that we need to address."

Getting Matthews more involved would take some pressure off Woodson and his mates in the defensive backfield. As it is now, Capers is blitzing more than he ever has in three seasons with the Packers, leaving defensive backs in less favorable positions. Sunday, according to ESPN Stats & Information, Capers blitzed on 54.2 percent of Rivers' dropbacks. Blitzes led to all three interceptions, and Rivers threw all four touchdowns when the Packers limited their rushes to four men.

The way Rodgers is playing, it's quite possible the Packers could run away with the Super Bowl regardless of how their defense plays. It's worked so far. Is it reasonable to expect elite play from their quarterback and multiple interceptions from their defense every week? We'll find out soon enough.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/47900/packers-8-0-and-wanting-much-more
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BJ Raji oozes class.

The article basically reinforces what I've been saying for the last three or four weeks - we need to beef up our backfield D. Having Nick Collins out doesn't help, but we need a third CB because Woodson and Shields can't play every single snap of the season and Tramon Williams, although getting the picks on a regular basis is too slow to read the play too often. Morgan Burnett's hand problems aren't helping either.

As for Matthews, he's suffering from a lack of protection with Mike Neale out. He's making the same pressure plays that he was last season, but throw Mike Neale back in there and he won't have the OT's blocking his path so swiftly and we'll see a sharp increase in the number of sacks and hits after the throw from Matthews.
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Here's a little article regarding a discussion we had earlier, real value vs fantasy value.
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With the season now past the halfway point, it's time to look at one of our favorite features of the year: the All-Bettis team. This team, very simply, celebrates those players whose fantasy production grossly outstrips their actual contributions to winning football games.

Its patron saint, as you can probably tell, is former Rams and Steelers running back Jerome Bettis. Bettis obviously helped his teams win quite a few football games over the course of his 13-year career, so this isn't a knock on his overall value as a player. It's a loving reference to what stands as the ideal example of the difference between real performance and fantasy value, specifically Bettis' output against the Raiders on the opening weekend of the 2004 season. In that game, Bettis had five carries for one yard and three touchdowns. One real yard, three plunges from a yard out (a play that succeeds close to 60 percent of the time), 18 fantasy points. For those of you who don't play our nation's greatest export, that's equivalent to a player running for 189 yards without crossing the goal line. Even if you're a touchdown fetishist who thinks that the invisible line represents some important barrier, you have to admit that the guy who ran for 189 yards probably did more to help his team win.

As you might suspect, our team starts off with a player who looked surprisingly impressive on Sunday …

Quarterback: Tim Tebow, Denver Broncos. Tebow's throws are often well out of the reach of his receivers, but they're also usually pretty far away from opposing defenders, too, which is how he has only one interception in 97 pass attempts so far. (Of course, on Sunday, the Raiders defenders were also generally quite far away from the intended Broncos receivers.) With his running acumen and that famous second half against the Chargers included, the same guy who was getting chatted up as the worst quarterback in the NFL last week is averaging 23.7 fantasy points per game. That's within one point of Tom Brady (24.8).

Running Backs: Ahmad Bradshaw and Brandon Jacobs, N.Y. Giants. The one-two punch in New York have both missed time due to injuries, so we'll combine their numbers. Brahmad Jacobshaw have just 3.7 yards per carry on their 170 rushes, but the meld has eight rushing touchdowns; that's 64 points from their rushing yardage and 48 points from their rushing touchdowns. Matt Forte, for comparison, is carrying the entire Bears offense on his back with 672 rushing yards, topping Jacobshaw all by himself despite 46 fewer carries, but he's crossed the plane only twice on the ground. Somehow, that means that the Giants' combo has averaged more fantasy points per game from the rushing production. Heck, Bears backup Marion Barber (91 rushing yards and three touchdowns on 27 carries) isn't far off from Forte on a per-game basis. And that's not a knock on Forte.

Wide Receiver: Plaxico Burress, N.Y. Jets. Even after catching all five of the targets thrown to him on Sunday, Burress is catching just 46 percent of the passes thrown to him overall. Five of his 23 catches have resulted in touchdowns, so just under 22 percent of his catches have produced touchdowns. Burress is a red zone threat, but this is ridiculous; even in his best year, he wasn't able to get far past 17 percent. As a result, he has 62 fantasy points, which is slightly more than Reggie Wayne (57 points). This would have been even more egregious if he hadn't been stopped a half-yard short of a touchdown on Sunday, as he would have had the same number of fantasy points as the vastly superior Roddy White (501 yards and three touchdowns, producing 68 fantasy points).

Wide Receiver: Eric Decker, Denver Broncos. As the closest thing to a no. 1 receiver in Denver after Brandon Lloyd's departure, Decker is often forced the ball on plays where he's not open (or ignored on those plays when he is open). But it's amazing to think that his six touchdown catches and 406 receiving yards this year have produced 76 fantasy points, more than White or even Brandon Marshall (46 catches, 644 receiving yards, two touchdowns, and fractionally fewer fantasy points than Decker). Which player would you rather have?

Tight End: Scott Chandler, Buffalo Bills. All-Bettis Team MVP so far, Chandler established his candidacy during the opening week of the season and hasn't let up since. The journeyman caught two touchdown passes during the 41-7 shellacking of the Chiefs, but he had five catches in that game. The supreme example of his particular brand of artistry was against the Redskins in Week 8, when both of his catches went for touchdowns. He now has six touchdowns among his 18 catches, which combines with his 157 receiving yards to produce 51 fantasy points. That's more than Brandon Pettigrew (48 points), and it's within four points of Heath Miller (55 points), each of whom are borderline Pro Bowl tight ends.

There's nothing inherently wrong with being on the All-Bettis team; touchdowns have value, too. But when a disproportionate amount of your performance comes from touchdowns, chances are that your performance is being overrated. Plaxico Burress is not really making a difference in the Jets' passing game. Jacobs and Bradshaw combine to form the core of a rushing offense that rates as 19th in the league in rushing DVOA. And Chandler is this season's Jay Riemersma, a similarly obscure tight end who had six touchdowns on 25 catches with the Bills in 1998 and never had a six-touchdown season again. These guys just aren't really helping their teams win all that much, regardless of how much they're helping their fantasy football teams.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7202362/the-all-bettis-team
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I think that's a bit rough on Decker. He's a decent WR and would probably be considered up there with some of the best in the league if he didn't have a useless QB like Tebow throwing not so much at him as somewhere in his vague vicinity.

Very true about Chandler, but again I think that's a rough assessment on him. Ryan Fitzpatrick generally only throws to Chandler in the red zone when his enormous size (6'7") makes him a useful target. If anything I'd say that's a plus for Chandler, not a negative. If you want to look at TE's not pulling their weight, look at Tony Scheffler (3TD from 116).
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I think it's safe to say trading for Ochochinco was a waste. It's lucky we have two class tight ends (Gronkowski and Hernandez), a strong wideout (Welker) and and a solid backup for Welker (Branch).
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Ochocinco is more in Boston for a holiday than to play football.

Good win for the Bears this afternoon.
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FYI, the NFL starts Thurday night games this week, so your fantasy lineups need to be set earlier.
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f1worldchamp wrote:
FYI, the NFL starts Thurday night games this week, so your fantasy lineups need to be set earlier.

Thanks heaps mate.
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f1worldchamp wrote:
FYI, the NFL starts Thurday night games this week, so your fantasy lineups need to be set earlier.

Not if you don't have any Thursday night team players :lol:

I knew I should have bet on the Raiders :lol:

Saints, Panthers, steelers, Rams, Bills, Colts, Denver, Miami, Eagles, Texans, Ravens, Lions, Niners, Jets, Packers for the wins this week.
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Chris Johnson is back, baby!

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Saints, Panthers, steelers, Rams, Bills, Colts, Denver, Miami, Eagles, Texans, Ravens, Lions, Niners, Jets, Packers for the wins

Oh dear. #-o

Here's how it plays out. Colts go 0-16 and get the first overall pick in the draft, and take Andrew Luck. Then they shop Manning around and he's picked up by a team that thinks they are that close to contending that Manning will pu them over the top. Think 49ers. Or a team that is delusional about how close they are. Think Redskins.
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Fuck the Colts are useless.
Should have had adequate QB depth behind Manning in case something like this happened.

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Think 49ers. Or a team that is delusional about how close they are. Think Redskins.

Redskins have nothing to offer and the Niners are happy with Smith. I can see Manning going to Denver.
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Should have had adequate QB depth behind Manning in case something like this happened.

Every team can't have Matt Flynn.

Fucking Eagles. Blew my multi. Cunts.
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Redskins have a track record of overpaying for aging QB's. Manning fits the bill perfectly. He knows it'd be his last payday as a footballer, so he'll go where the cash is.
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