Pleased for Wilshere getting the 10 shirt.

So now, surely this sign will come down....





.....and the more important question is, does Wenger make a bid for Batman now?

Can't disagree with Arsene, even in leaving he's never actually said a bad word about the club and he probably still does 'love the club', he's not like Nasri. I wanted to remember him fondly, and I would have if he'd move to Juve or anywhere else outside of England but to move to United is unforgiveable to the supporters of this club you supposedly love Robin.

He hasn't said anything bad publicly, but that's not the case behind closed doors apparently.

Also, if these rumours about Song and his agent are true and he can fuck off as well.

Edited by sydneycroatia58: 18/8/2012 10:05:44 AM

Also what kind of 'captain' has a scrap with a 21 year old teammate in the dressing room after a game all because they decided to have shot instead of pass it in the last minute of a game we were already leading.

:lol: One thing I did like is when Jack was talking about the great players to have worn the #10 before he didn't mention RvP at all.

Edited by sydneycroatia58: 18/8/2012 10:11:33 AM

I think the way Nasri left was worse than Robin. Nasri basically came out and called the club shit and said he didnt want to be there and couldnt care less for anyone at Arsenal.

Robin seems to have been diplomatic about it, his only mistake was choosing a rival.

Nasri actually didn't leave as horribly as is made out. He left quietly. It was just after he left that he opened his mouth, but his actual leaving of the club wasn't that bad, it was more professional than Cesc's leaving of the club anyway.

I like how all this bad blood on RVP is coming out when he isn't an Arsenal player.

Yeah it's unbelievable isn't it; we wouldn't be in the Champions League without him then we'd really be in the shit.

He's gone to one of our fiercest rivals though, people are going to be annoyed and I'm sure if we prised one of yours away United fans would be screaming murder too. Having said that, as my mate Max said last night, Robin could've done a Sol Campbell and stay until his contract runs out and leave for nothing. At least we've profited from the inevitable.

I've made this clear already, there's a problem up top in the club. Three years ago we were challenging for the title (and bottled it every February). Now the height of our ambitions is third at a push. What's gone wrong? Someone has to answer for this.

Podloski/Giroud/Santa are good if not great and I've been hearing better and better things about Santi. The thing is, I just can't imagine the combination of those three will bring the number of goals RVP brought us.

People pay stupid money for world class strikers for a reason. We just decided to get rid of ours...

I think the board by thinking that their helping the club in the bottom end is helping the club . Yes selling.your best players is helping the club by pissing the fans off .If we could say buy a say David Villa or zlatan than maybe fans can we have ambitions .but selling robin to a rival smacks off grubiness . I don't blame Wenger as he has work with what he has .

correct me if im wrong but didnt Nasri say he wanted to go to United, then that fell through, then he said he wanted to go to City because he just didnt want to be at Arsenal??


Then he said all those crappy things afterwards.

he is an egotiscal idiot. He kept on mentioning us even when shitey won.

Wilshere: “It has a special place for all attacking or creative players. I feel proud to wear it now after some real Club legends have worn it, such as Dennis Bergkamp."
Ouch.

Also, compare the announcement of Vela's sale with RVP's on the Arsenal website.

Vela: "Everyone at the Club would like to thank Carlos for his contribution to the Club and wish him well for his future career."

RVP: "Everyone at Arsenal would like to thank Robin for his contribution during his time with the Club."

Bit cold...

In Song news the BBC are reporting that he's likely to move and Wenger will bring in Sahin. I've heard through the grapevine that Song is refusing to play, his attitude has been labelled 'disgusting'; effectively he's forcing a move.

Iv'e kept my smile on through this whole RVP thing, but if we lose Song too I won't be happy.

If we replaced him with someone like M'vila I wouldn't be bothered too much but what scares me about this is Wenger implied that we have enough "top class" midfielders to cope without Song.
I think the best we could hope for if we lose him is a Sahin loan and that's just to cover till Wilshere is back.




Agree that RVP has been better about leaving than some others like Nasri.
It's just extra painful because he was everyones favourite player and has gone to our rivals which is a bit of a Judas move.

The only big move lately that I have zero hard feelings about is Cesc. He had a very good reason to go, never badmouthed the club, went to another league, still watches every Arsenal game as a fan and even urged Cazorla to join us.

If something catastrophic happens to La Liga or Barcelona like the whole thing collapses financially I think he would push very hard to come back to Arsenal. May happen one day, never know.
If something happened to City or ManU, our ex players like Nasri and RVP would just be off to the next highest bidder.

Fuck me if these rumours we've been hearing are true, I want to break something. He said he was happy here a few days ago, yeah, fuck you if true.

If the rumours I'm hearing about him and his agent are true, well then he can well and truly go fucked.

I also liked this picture :lol:

:lol: Cesc is the one I have the most hard feelings about. I mean what kind of captain goes on strike just to get a transfer.



Edited by sydneycroatia58: 18/8/2012 03:58:44 PM

The bad blood is completely justified, and is only because of the club he's gone to. If he'd gone to City, people would've called him a mercenary, but there wouldn't be anywhere near as much anger as there is now.

I mean could you imagine the reaction from United fans if Rooney did the same thing and ended up at Arsenal or Chelsea.

But where was all this stuff during his time at the club, all swept under the rug?

We are bigger rivals to you than you are to us. Don't get me wrong, it's still a big game for us but it's nowhere near our biggest match, which it probably is to Arsenal. I don't think any of our big players would go from United to Arsenal either.

And on the Cesc and RVP pic. Cesc joined as a kid and had his first taste of senior football there, I think that is where the stronger feelings have come from. However, RVP did thank Arsenal and praise the club but not in that quote.

Edited by BusbyBabe: 18/8/2012 04:10:07 PM

On another note, surely this will make the club do their business with players contracts a year earlier. It can't continue like this for Arsenal. Something has to change.

Not much the club can do if the player doesn't want to enter discussions. I'm sure they would like to get it done with more than a year left on the contract, just like they have done with Vermaelen and Koscielny, but the player holds all the cards.

Edited by sydneycroatia58: 18/8/2012 04:16:26 PM

You're right, we can't sweep what RVP has done under the rug. It's frustrating that Arsenal have allowed this to happen.

Don't flatter yourselves, Arsenal v United isn't our biggest match. Maybe five or six years ago when we were regular title challengers. Don't forget that the Arsenal have had a strong rivalry with United since nearly the 80's. There's a lot of cockney Reds as well and I can't imagine many oop north support Arsenal.

What is your biggest match then? All I have heard from Arsenal fans during this whole saga is how RVP has gone to Arsenal's biggest rivals.

Tottenham by miles.

We all just hate United on a personal level.

This.

When RVP came out and stated he wasn't going to sign a new contract I didn't see anything wrong with what he was saying or the way he conducted himself. Obviously it stings to see him go to a club you hate and I could understand you hating him when we come up against each other, but tbh I really don't understand the bad blood at all and I think he's conducted himself pretty well considering he could have taken the Tevez path and been an absolute cunt and tried his hardest to disgrace the clubs name.

TBH When Rooney had his saga a few years ago he conducted himself pretty similarly to RVP's initial statement, although I think we all know now it was a ruse, at the time though I was supportive for Rooney in what he has done for the club and wished him all the best in the future no matter who he plays for.

Arsenal have had plenty of top players leave over the last few years, granted you've had some money hungry cunts, but I think alarm bells should start ringing when your last two captains demand moves to rival clubs and players publicly question the clubs ambitions. Obviously it hurts to see a star player turn on the club, but when it continues to happen I think that's when you have to start wondering if they have a point.

I know this will get shot down, and as a United fan I understand that perfectly, but here goes...
IMO Arsenal are and always will be a great club, the squad at the moment looks very good, perhaps not up to a title challenge but you will definitely push the likes of United and City all the way. However I think Wenger is the problem, I know his status at the club and I understand what he has done and what he means, especially as a United fan, BUT the silverware drought does not look like breaking any time soon and Arsenal always seem to be at the same quality every season now. Every season we say they will be competitive and will push the rest all the way, and they continually deliver, but I can't help feeling a fresh outlook with a new manager and one or two key signings would have you right back at the top again; how much longer can near enough continue to be good enough?

I am definitely more upset about song than RVP... Van Persie played pretty well in the last couple of years, but I never really loved him. I think the replacing players will more than cover for him. He has always been massively arrogant and it shows every now and then. The way things play out in the dutch squad show it, he is quite a typical dutchman for those who know the dutch culture. The Tim Krul thing showed him to be a c*** but at the time he was our c*** and arsenal won so I was happy. He sure scored a lot of goals recently but apparently he missed more last year than anyone else in the league? He played in the 8-2...

It'll be interesting to see how things play out at united because I am sure there are plenty guys in their squad who are jealous of his wages...

I don't disagree with much of anything you said Fred except that it's Wengers fault.
It seems clear to me that our majority shareholder Stan Kroenke is the one primarily responsible for our tight budget.

Wenger doesn't exactly help this problem by keeping quiet about it, but it's not like another manager could just come in and start spending like Fergie. We aren't blessed with owners as co-operative as Glazer.

Alot of the players we get for cheap or free we only get because working under Arsene is seen as an attractive option for many foreign players for various reasons.
I think we'd end up like Liverpool without Arsene.


And let's face it, what top quality manager would want to manage Arsenal with our aggregate budget of $0 per transfer window?

Edited by neanderthal: 18/8/2012 06:03:37 PM

Really can't see that even being close to an issue, Rooney is one of the most popular players in the squad and he's our highest earner. So far the general reactions I have seen from our players mainly Rooney, Rio and Cleverley is that they are all ecstatic with this signing and Rooney and Clevs have especially outlined their delight at the prospect of playing with him.

This was from Clevs on twitter today

People need to realise that top quality and big bame players leaving Arsenal is nothing new for us. We've been doing it for years, and were doing it way before Arsene came to the club. The difference now is those players are, somehow 90% of the time sold or let go at exactly the right time. I mean how many former big name players can you say whose career really prospered and took off after leaving Arsenal? I mean Cesc is the only real one I can think of, and even then that's only 1 year on. And ok Nasri, but again it's only 1 year on.

If a big name player is sold, most of the time it's Arsene's decision, and more often than not he gets it right. Only one recently that hasn't been his decision is Nasri, that's the only big player recently where the board made him sell the player.