Perhaphs because we were paying off a stadium and operating with a nil transfer budget making it a relatively impressive achievement.

Now that they beleive AW is about to do what they were criticising him for not doing, he's copping it even worse. That's what's childish.

Edited by neanderthal: 10/6/2013 12:56:59 PM

This.
But only without Rooney. With Rooney it will be a train-wreck.

The thing is I don't mind the black scarf mafia ,they're passionate about the club and just want to see the club succeed , Robson ,mariner and piers are twats who will always complain no matter what Wenger does , he buys poldi,giroud and santi and yet they complain . He doesn't buy on the lat day of the august transfer deadline ,they complain .

Piers is the absolute worst I think, I also must add that I find Ian Wright to be quite annoying with his comments.

Dunno about Rooney mate. He's a fat beer swilling, fag smoking granny shagger that Wenger would not be able to control. The fact he showed a leg to Citeh and fucked with old red nose just to get a pay rise does not sit easy with me.
Overrated and now past his best imo.

Eh to be fair, many of our players are about as loyal as Rooney is.
He's still one of very the best in the world.

Having said that I'd prefer someone more likeable like Higuain or Jovetic, but I'm not going to pretend Rooney wouldn't be great for us on the field.

I love how you guys keep talking about Rooney like Arsenal would be willing to pay his wages.

While I doubt they'd match his current wage and his form doesn't warrant it, from he sounds of it they'd go close to 200,000 a week.

It's ok though man, I understand you're probably bitter because Suarez will leave, or the fact that you still have so many mediocre players to replace ;).

Why would he take a pay cut to go to Arsenal when he could go to PSG and get a pay rise?

Not once in that post did I say he'd go to Arsenal and I don't think he will. I just said what they could offer and implied it wouldn't be ridiculous for him to choose Arsenal. I guess some problems with PSG are: competition with Ibra, Ligue 1 is shit and he'd have to live in France (Huge culture shock for a plebby bastard).

Yeah, he barely speaks english so he'll struggle to learn French. But money talks and for 300k/week I know I'd have a crack :lol:

Haha, I know I would too, even just to escape manchester. I'd take 300k a year easily even, but 300 dollars sounds like a lot right now, thanks university :'(

Arsene can be criticised regardless of money: shocking defending and dreadful transfers. For banging on about how little money we have, he sure does waste a lot on mediocre footballers. Squillaci, Chamakh, Gervinho, Arshavin, Andre Santos, Denilson, Bendtner: it's waste.

There's plenty of contradiction between Wenger and Gazidis when it comes to money, nobody knows so it's a bad excuse.

I wouldn't blame Arsene at all for youth signings who turned out bad like Denilson and Bendtner.
That's just the risk you take with a transfer policy that gambles on promising youth.
Some turn out bad like them but some turn out good like Fabregas, Ramsey, Walcott, etc. No manager can tell 100% of the time if a promising youth will reach their potential. But it all more than pays off in the end.

And to be fair about the others, every manager makes a few poor signings. Most of those no one would have predicted they would taken a sudden downward turn. Chamakh and Arshavin both had great starts but just lost it for one reason or another. Happens to a few players in every team.

The defensive issues is a very fair criticism though.

And yet we let Carlos Vela go :-({|=

Edited by 4wanderer4: 11/6/2013 02:37:26 PM

Some turn out bad and some turn out good?

These players are paid over 50,000 quid if they turn out bad, and a lot have turned out bad, there is only one man to blame: the person who signed them. Happens to a few players? Every manager makes a few bad signings? How much did they pay them? How often do they make these shit signings? Did Arsene have to pay youth players (Denilson was bought) stupid money?

Absolutely no way can you disregard the utter waste on footballers who are not good enough. He's the bloody manager, if he can't foresee how shite these players are then that's his fault. No other manager gets off with this amount of waste.

I don't think you understand the concept of the transfer strategy.

You pay less for young promising players because there's the risk that they won't reach their potential or that they won't remain at the top of their age group as they move into first team senior football.

For example Manchester United might buy a ready made leftback for 10 million including wages.
Arsenal buy three young leftbacks for 2 million each including wages. Two of them fail to live up to their potential but one becomes about as good as the United leftback.
A few million is saved.

No man on this earth can 100% of the time predict whether or not a young promising player will reach their potential and maintain their ability relative to their age group as they age.
Denilsons and Bentners are just the inevitable bi-product of the transfer strategy that produces the likes of Cesc Fabregas and our other early purchased and developed prodigies. You can't have one without the other.

Edited by neanderthal: 11/6/2013 04:35:34 PM

I think Neanderthal has it pretty much right, with young players it is such a gamble because even if they're extremely talented, it doesn't mean they'll make it. If you look at most decent clubs, their roster is littered with deadwood just like ours. Let's not forget Man Utd bought Bebe for something like 7 million pounds.

**I'll add in, I think young players are a worthwhile gamble as well

Edited by Jon90: 11/6/2013 05:11:48 PM

Nobody pays 50,000 quid a week over the odds for absolutely shit footballers, young or not. There's one without the other and then there's absolute waste. He's not just got the "gamble" wrong, he's got it disastrously wrong and has paid stupid money to dozens of shit footballers.

It's a real exercise in creativity to place the utter waste Arsene Wenger has created in the context of a gamble where you, "can't have one without the other."

a) If you get the gamble wrong, it's your fault
b) If you get the gamble wrong a dozen times and not only that, gamble a lot of money, it's really your fault!

Absolute rubbish I'm afraid Neanderthal, and I'm afraid you're excusing what is simply indefensible. There's one without the other and then there's a regular exercise in awful judgment.

He can get a dozen wrong as long as he gets a dozen right too. Which he does.
You're acting as though all of his young gamble signings are failures. Arsene has an immaculate record.

If he wastes so much money despite being on a nil transfer budget then how the hell does he maintain a top four spot?
That's right, through the gambles that pay off.

And like Jon said, every team has overpaid deadwood.

Edited by neanderthal: 11/6/2013 09:34:30 PM

Like who? Cesc Fabregas? Jack Wilshere? Aaron Ramsey?

Is that the trade off for Andre Santos, Bendtner, Denilson, Squillaci, Chamakh, Gervinho, Silvestre, Arshavin, Fabianski, Park Chu Young; have I missed anything? They are paid well over the odds and to suggest that it's okay because we get, "the odd one right," is not only to dispel the disproportionality in quality to shite, but also to excuse dreadful judgment.

"If he wastes so much money despite being on a nil transfer budget then how the hell does he maintain a top four spot?
That's right, through the gambles that pay off."
- We've already established that nobody knows about his transfer budget.
What? There's no logic in that: he must be doing okay because he's in the top four? Sorry, there's no argument there. Surely an argument must be made on the merits not by reference to an end result, in any case the end result isn't winning the league is it?

Does every team really have as much overpaid deadwood as we do? I very much doubt any club in the world would pay over 50k for Djorou and co.

Well considering most of those players were pretty cheap/free (arshavin excluded)so I don't think the financial loss was greater than if we paid bigger transfer fees like most teams. Also, some of them did contribute at vital times, so it wasn't a complete waste even if none are great arsenal players.

The transfer fee is misleading, how much are they paid a week mate? We've gotten rid of three, Arshavin, Denilson and Squillaci, and now we've got enough for Rooney! For heaven's sake, it's not good enough is it?

Take Arshavin out of the Wages argument (when we signed him that was what any other club would have paid him, he wasn't overpaid then).

It's no secret we overpay the lower tier players, in order to get some kind of bullshit unproven squad harmony.

Hell, even our British core (bar jack) are overpaid considering their performances,and, as Ken stated we've had players like Bendtner,Chamakh,Squillaci,Denilson,Santos,Diaby,Gervinho all on 50k+.

It cripples our wage budget, and is the reason why we cant splash the big wages on more than 1 player at a time (Henry,Cesc)

It really isn't good enough.




Edited by jlm8695: 12/6/2013 11:43:30 AM

Well Chamakh, Bendtner, Squillaci, Arshavin and Denilson are all leaving this break so that is a step in the right direction. There is a lot of rumours about gervinho to lyon, marseille and galatasaray. With the new sponsorship deals coming in, I think Arsene is going to change the wage structure significantly.

I don't know that Arsene has lost faith in Gervinho yet.
It's taken players longer to adjust to the EPL before. He certainly has the ability somewhere in there.

I actually would offload him if we get an offer. He definitely has some ability, but his everything is soooooo inconsistent. He really only has good movement going for him, he is an ok squad player I suppose, but yes I would be happier if we sold him for the 12 million to Galatasaray as rumoured.

I admire your optimism mate.
He has the composure of a drunk on the DT's.
Whilst Giroud has the first touch of a blind man.
Imagine what we could have got for our money, what £20m?
The thing is, Lord arsehole will carry on with him, just as he did with the self proclaimed world's best striker, Nick Bendy bollocks, and sicknote Abou.

There's no doubting Gervinho has the ability somewhere, you don't score 15 goals and get 10 assists as a winger in a Ligue 1 season with no ability.