So Theo, Danny, Ox, Chambers, Gibbs and Jack all called up for England.

Would be interesting to see when was the last time we had 6 players called up for England.

Chambers needs to either be dropped or moved to CB after that and there is absolutely no fucking way Rambo can keep a starting spot after that. Barely worth a place on the bench at the moment.

This season is so much more worrying than others because it's hard to remember league games where we've actually played well. We can't boast about playing great football anymore when we continually serve up shit like this. Some serious business needs to be done in January or we're gonna be seeing a lot more results like this and we will seriously struggle to make the top 4.

But the worst part is it's not just personnel, there is something seriously wrong with the way the players are coached. The players we have are more than good enough to beat Hull, Swansea or Anderlecht and yet we gave up winning leads in all 3 of those games. The team is nothing short of a rabble and so so far from where it needs to be.

Edited by sydneycroatia58: 10/11/2014 05:02:10 AM

As great as winning the FA Cup was, maybe not winning it and Arsene leaving wouldn't have been the worst thing in the world. It's scary to think how bad this team would be without Alexis.

He is the only one to blame for the position we find ourselves in defensively and it is fucking inexcusable.

Edited by sydneycroatia58: 10/11/2014 05:06:43 AM

This is some great banter from Wenger, lull everyone into thinking we're shit and then bang well use competent tactics and win the treble.

Some great bants.

Find it hard to blame Chambers when the problem was clear to see and only got worse after an incredibly soft yellow. Ox offered him literally 0 protection and it left him isolated.

Chambers was left open by the oz badly . Can't wait til Jan hopefully wenger pulls his finger out and buy a damn commanding cb and a cdm who isn't a a card liability ie flam or slow ie arteta

:lol: You guys have nothing to complain about, you may be shit. But we are way shitter.

Edited by mvfcarsenal16.8: 10/11/2014 10:27:38 AM

My hero :lol:

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Can't defend wenger at present. Stupid decision by him not to add cover at the back and midfield to a lesser extent. And then lack of tactical sense and poor substitutions, ie sanogo instead of poldi

Yeah I should have said, what I meant by drop was give him a rest, he's been forced to play almost every game so far so it was expected he'd struggle badly in a game, especially against someone like Montero.

I would be all for giving Bellerin a crack at RB and having Chambers in the middle. As decent as Monreal has been he showed with Gomis' goal the problem with having him at CB. With Chambers, or obviously Koscielny, there I don't think we concede that 2nd.

Dude you could have quoted yourself last year or the year before and saved yourself having to type this out again :lol:

This is different. Obviously could change, but looking like this year will be the one that breaks the camel's back. Might have said something that was similar in previous seasons, but always felt in the end Arsene was the right man for the job, but not anymore.

We win our first trophy in 9 years, have a great start to the transfer window with Debuchy, Sanchez and Chambers all coming in early we had the chance to push on and we completely and utterly fucked it up, and that comes down to 1 man, Arsene is the one that has to take the blame for this, him and no one else.

Problem is it has to be Arsene who makes the call to go, the club won't do it for him and in I can understand why in a way.

I should also say, I'm not saying he should go now, that would just be stupid, but unless he does some serious business in January I don't see any reason why he should continue after this season tbph, and the number of people who now think the same is growing ever larger. It used to be the Arsene Out supporters were the loud minority, but don't think they are anymore.

On another note, my god do we have some fucking stupid fans



Yeah, I get it, losing to Swansea after being 1-0 up is shit and all, but not sure it's more significant than the Berlin Wall coming down, especially for a fucking German.

A lot of people have been saying it for years. Sure you're consistently decent but you just can't take that step to the next level. The invincibles were over a decade ago (I feel old).

The problem is who replaces him? What happens if they have a rough start? Do you persist or look again and become a Spurs-like revolving door until you get one right?

We wouldn't have Ozil or Sanchez without Wenger and for that I am grateful.

He'll turn this around but succession plans need to start now.

I'm still a #Wengerforever (I assume there's a hashtag for this kind of thing, I haven't looked) type of guy.

It's all doom and gloom now but we all know how this season is gonna go. We'll be rubbish for the rest of the first half of this season only to turn it round to finish third/fourth after a blinding second half of the season which will carry on for the first half of 2015/16 winning us the 'calendar year' league again, only to go on and be rubbish again in 2016 :lol: We can just never string a full good season together, it's always half a good season and half a disastrous season :lol:

Also worth remembering, we're still above United, Everton, Liverpool and Spurs, if we can still say that at the end of the season then we'll be in third.

Edited by gooner4life_8: 11/11/2014 05:21:47 PM

Top of the league if he's here now :(

Ozil confirmed out until January.

Time for Arsenal players to get dirty
November 12, 2014
Paul Hayward

While stars past and present round on Wenger's tactics, the real villains are those who fail to take full responsibility, writes Paul Hayward.

The two Mers are unlikely allies but Per Mertesacker and Paul Merson are both convinced Arsenal need to get "serious" if they are to escape death by frivolity.

Should Arsene Wenger's reign as Arsenal manager end badly, the obituarists will make great play of the day Calum Chambers was abandoned to his fate at Swansea. Chambers, still only 19, would have found it less excruciating defending himself against a chainsaw than Jefferson Montero, the turf-torching Swansea left-back who went round, past and pretty much straight through him as the Gunners surrendered a lead for the second time in a week.

This brutal lacerating of a promising young English defender had the look and feel of a seminal moment in the struggle between Wenger and his critics, who include a growing band of ex-players who study with dismay the essential softness of a side they once packed with grit and granite.

Merson, the house larrikin and throwback to the maverick 1970s in Wenger's early squads, was bound to encounter credibility problems when calling Arsenal's defensive tactics "clueless". In press conferences, Wenger found it easy enough to cuff away Mers's comments with the implied suggestion that here was a poacher criticising the security arrangements at a country estate.

Mertesacker's words are less easy to dismiss. He is a World Cup-winning German international of great experience and sound thought, even if his positioning for Swansea's winning goal was questionable.

"The game was completely in our hands, especially in the second half when we scored," Mertesacker said, through his club's own channels. "Then we have to play serious football and not lose the ball, but they got us on the break, and that's completely unbelievable in our situation."

While Wenger and Merson feed the news snackers ("clueless", "childish") Mertesacker has pointed to the truth that dare not speak its name. The narrowing of Arsenal's ambitions to a top-four finish, financial stability and sweet midfield passing has worked as a Petri dish for a particular mindset across large parts of the side.

The Chambers episode was revelatory. As Montero flashed this way and that, fizzing past the young Arsenal full-back and whipping in crosses, three remedies were possible: 1, Move Chambers to centre-back and find a faster, fresher defender to stop the scourge: 2, Withdraw him altogether: 3, Instruct other Arsenal players in the vicinity to stop viewing the mismatch as a series of bloopers they were watching at home on flat screen TVs.

Number three is the most interesting. Consigning Wenger to the rubbish dump of once-great managers is certainly the temptation for many Arsenal fans, but the mind keeps coming back to the rest of the team that played in South Wales. It asks: What were they doing while a junior team-mate suffered so? Why did one young England international, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, not consider it his urgent duty to rescue another?

Mertesacker identified two problems. First, the midfielders giving the ball away while bounding puppy-like in search of more goals, followed by a failure to react, collectively. A team built to be an orchestra looks too often like a collection of lone fiddlers. If we could tap into the secret thoughts of the average Arsenal player, the bubble might read: "It's not my problem, not my responsibility. I have been granted a license to entertain."

The talent Jack Wilshere describes as "putting your foot in" is shorthand for a much a broader attribute. It describes players who know when to play and when to shut games down, who despise losing and will never watch passively while problems multiply. They are the mean, grumpy driven core of most successful teams. They are hard to find but pretty much impossible to live without. In single human form they are Patrick Vieira.

So much of Arsenal's arsenal is sound. In the summer Wenger acquired an excellent strike partnership in Danny Welbeck and Alexis Sanchez, who has scored six times in four games and is the determined hole-puncher they needed. Arsenal have returned to the ranks of heavy spenders and reside in a beautiful stadium: a reward for long-term thinking. But while everyone hollers for this or that defender to join in January, the cultural problem will be harder to cure. To be 12 points off the top of the Premier League table after 11 games is not indicative of manpower shortages. It suggests the attitude the manpower is starting out with has been allowed to drift too far from the basic truths about winning in English football.

Why Wenger expects teams to stand back and admire his team's nice moves is one of the bigger mysteries. They stopped doing so years ago. Intercept-and-counterattack is now the preferred method for beating Arsenal. Wenger may be culpable, but his players are hiding from the dirty jobs.


http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/time-for-arsenal-players-to-get-dirty-20141112-11kqc1.html


Toughen up. Get & show some backbone.

Edited by Damo Baresi: 13/11/2014 11:01:48 PM

This is why I hate the international break :lol: This was paraded around like some massive news break when Özil was always going to be out until January anyway, we've known that for ages.

Great to see Giroud back in training. A big boost to have him back upfront.

Jack has to start ahead of Rambo now.

With Giroud back I just wonder.....



Get them on the break.

Hope Welbz celebrates tonight by Dat Guying in front of the arrogant Dutch cunts.

United fans hope he celebrates, he is an Arsenal player, he should be happy when he scores.

Don't see why RVP's celebration last season caused such a stir, he didn't go do an Adebayor or a Tevez.

It's Arsenal v United in late November. I should be feeling like this is the biggest match of the season. Reality is it may not even be the biggest match of the weekend...

I still hope we do those cnuts comprehensively. 3-0 etc would be just sweet! Welbeck double and maybe a goal for Giroud late on. Any more than is is clearly greedy but if Sanchez wants to get in on the act who am I to complain!

Edited by quichefc: 22/11/2014 02:21:41 PM

Time is just about up. Has to go at the end of the season.

Imagine actually blaming him for our players shooting straight at De Gea 400 times and the ref bottling it :lol:

He got his tactics spot on for the first 85 minutes but the players let him down. Throwing everyone forward was a risk but one we had to take.

Can't wait to do this all over again against Dortmund Thursday morning.