I swear, Welbeck was meant to be "back in two weeks" since last season.

Someone needed to replace Diaby :lol:

United were clearly very willing to pay over the odds for a world class player but still couldn't find one and spent big on a kid with potential. Certainly suggests there were no strikers on the market.

This. Also it's all well and good being willing to pay over the odds, but that means fuck all if the players club does not want to sell. Just look at Berahino, Sp*rs were willing to pay well over the odds for him but West Brom made it clear they weren't going to sell, same with Stones and Chelsea.

Also interested in which of our rivals have really paid over the odds for a player this window? Maybe City for KDB, but even then that wasn't massively over the odds or anything really crazy. Otamendi, people will say isn't worth what they paid, but what City paid is probably a lot less than the advertised price because of what Valencia still owe them for Negredo. Sterling might be the one other, but that's no surprise with him being English. Martial was the one player bought who anyone really paid far over the odds for.

I truly believe if we offered 50 million pounds early into the transfer window and made Benzema clearly our highest paid player then we would of had him. If reports I've read were true where we offered 48 million and only 10k pounds more a week then what Theo gets then I'm not surprised Benzema didn't think it's a good move. But this is not only about Benzema. When you buy you need to buy players that are better then what you currently have or at least you think they'll be so considering our best striker is Giroud then you can't seriously think there was no one or there better then him who can make a difference.
Costa went to Bayern for 21 million pounds and he's a winger. Imagine having Alexis and Costa on either side of Giroud instead of Wenger playing a centre mid on the wing. We could have improved in other positions Benzema was just one example.
Is it no surprise to anyone why none of Stan Kronkes clubs in any code around the world don't dominate yet are up there as one of the best financially?
It's strickly just a business to the cunt and as long as Arsenal fans are happy just making the top 4 nothing will change.

:lol: wait, you actually think we'd have been a chance of getting Costa?

Also if we did offer 48m for Benzema, then an extra 2m is going to make no difference and still wouldn't have been enough. I also don't think it would matter what we'd have offered Benzema in wages, unless we went crazy and offered him 300k a week, he quite clearly never wanted to leave Madrid and they never wanted to sell him. This isn't like when we got Ozil and Madrid had to sell because they bought Bale, or when we got Alexis when Barca bought Suarez. Real Madrid had absolutely no need to sell unless we went crazy and offered like 70 or 80m, and Benzema had absolutely no reason to leave.

And jesus christ, of course there are better strikers than Giroud out there, but those strikers aren't fucking available. This isn't FIFA or FM where you just go to a club with a shit tonne of money and say give us your player. If they don't want to sell the player, the player wont be sold. There's a reason there was very few top class strikers move clubs this window despite a fair few clubs in the market for one.



Edited by sydneycroatia58: 2/9/2015 06:22:04 PM

Seriously I'm over this shit of trying to give you examples which you simply don't understand. With Benzema if there was no fucking chance of getting him then why did we waste so much time. Simply go in with a 50 million pound offer and if rejected ask what they want. If the club says we don't want to sell then you simply move onto plan B. Liverpool got Benteke wasn't he available? I don't need to go through every transfer made as there are too many examples, MY SIMPLE POINT IS THAT THERE IS PLAYERS AVAILABLE BETTER THEN SOME WE HAVE AND IF NO OFFER IS MADE THEN IT'S OBVIOUS THAT CLUB WON'T COME KNOCKING ON YOUR DOOR BEGGING YOU TO BUY THEM.
And yes as a Arsenal fan I don't think it is impossible to tempt players like Costa to sign for you if you show them you are serious about winning titles.
Fekir is another player at Lyon who would have been worth chasing and there are so many others we simply did nothing to get. I can understand your logic of players having rejected us like in the situation with Chelsea chasing Stones just as one of the many examples. Even though they didn't get him it was clear they made a big money move for him to the point the player put in a request which was rejected by Everton. But they tried and failed and therefore moved onto the next cheaper option and went with that.
We did FUCKING NOTHING! that's my problem the fact we did nothing. Just like when we offered Liverpool 40,000,001 million pounds. Why even bother with such a stupid insult of a offer. Suarez was worth 50 so again go with that and if rejected move on.
As if you can't see how Arsenal are not a huge tightass club since that fuckwit Stan Kronke came along. That prick is a cancer to our club.

Can you honestly look at not only all the EPL signings this season and many of the signings in some of the biggest leagues in the world and say there was no players available? doesn't need to be a striker as I'm sure you'd would at least admit there is other areas in our team that need strengthening.
Using Tottenham as a example proves my point even more so as they are another tight ass club.
Anyways last reply from me on this topic as I'm over it by now and have let out my anger of being disappointed at the lack of ambition shown by my club in the transfer window yet again.
I go for Western Sydney Wanderers and Arsenal. Two clubs with the biggest tight ass of owners ](*,) seriously it isn't fair :lol:

Edited by robstazzz: 2/9/2015 06:49:45 PM

Edited by robstazzz: 2/9/2015 06:51:15 PM

:lol: we offered 40.01m for Suarez because that was his fucking release clause. Why offer 50m for someone when only need to offer 40m.

Well that worked out well.

Trust me I'm not one of them. The only difference with me is I don't put the blame only on Wenger as I believe the bigger problem is Stan Kronke. Wenger's problem is the fact he doesn't speak out against him and in fact most likely has the same opinion.
But i'll never forget his words in the season we sold both Fabregas and Nasri in the same transfer window. Just before the sale he was asked if it was true we would be selling both and he said there is no way and that if we did then clearly Arsenal isn't a big club if both are sold. Maybe one but not both. Then as we know they are both sold in the same window and Wenger comes out and says we did the right think because we risked losing Nasri on a free.
To me that was similar to what just happened with Ange and the FFA. He was told to go out and defend the sale.

Not the clubs fault Liverpool are c*nts

:lol: I feel sorry for you if you truly believe anyone at the club forces Arsene to do or say anything he doesn't want to do.

This is the first window since the 2012-13 season where we haven't bought a player worth at least 30m pounds. He's already 'finally' spent, just didn't continue it this window.

I know it's probably frustrating for you guys not to have signed anyone, and my gut feel is it means the title is out of reach unless city fuck up, but still have to say I have a lot of time for your clubs quality not quantity approach to the transfer market.... While we're selling Dan Agger and bringing in the inferior Dejan Lovren making change after change for the sake of change, you guys are quite smart with your aquisitions.

I still would have said send a blank cheque to napoli or psg for higuain or cavani but what can you do if they don't want to sell and the contacts don't have a buyout clause ..?

Well at least we both feel sorry for each other :d

Anyone who thinks we wouldn't of signed a big name if one was available is an idiot. There is obviously a huge dearth of strikers in the market at the moment.

Does available mean clubs will beg you to take them? If world class why would a club let them go if your only willing to pay what they are worth and not over the odds.
And just for the record strikers are not the only outfield football players, so yes there was players we could have bought to improve the team but chose not to do so.
This mentality is from from a mid table club, not so much a club in the top 10 bracket of richest clubs in the world.

'Available' means the selling club is willing to negotiate if you're interested in a player. Of course any club will be willing to negotiate if a team comes to them with some crazy amount of money for a player, but that's not realistic and I don't want the club taking that approach.

It became pretty clear that the best options, upfront were available if you were willing to pay something ridiculous, which we are not. As for other outfield positions, the only position we really could have maybe brought another player to upgrade was in midfield, but obviously they didn't find anyone worth a deal.

It's also telling, that unlike other windows where we clearly planned to buy more players but couldn't get it done which we could see as a result of the rumours that came out. This window it's pretty clear the plan was very simple, we'd only buy if we could get players who were a clear and obvious upgrade on what we already have, like we did with Cech. It just so happened that we couldn't find any more of those upgrades.

Also, this is not the mentality of a mid-table club, it's the mentality of a club whose squad is in a very good position and they're looking for players who can help push that squad to a great position. It's been mentioned 1000 times but we are not in the market for the sake of just adding bodies, we are looking at adding a few more key pieces, which is very hard unless you're willing to go crazy.

Well don't get yor hopes up because those players your talking about will only come if you pay over the odds like our rivals have.
And it's not buying for the sake of it. It's buying to give you the best chance of winning the league. There are a few players who were signed in this window who I think would have improved our squad but anyways I guess they too were not available.
Keep defending the club but please don't get your hopes up of winning anything big like the league or champions league. Don't know about you but I'm happy with top 3 in the league.

Ozil and Alexis proved that world class players don't only come if you pay over the odds.

I agree it's buying to give you the best chance of winning the league, and the players we wanted for that were not available. Would De Bruyne have improved us, of course he would, but we'd never have been able to compete with City for him. You mentioned Douglas Costa before, he would have improved us yes, but would have been pointless to try because we wouldn't have been able to compete with Bayern. Fact of the matter is we have to pick our moments because we can't, and might not ever be able to get into a bidding war with someone like a Chelsea or City.

You can't compare Alexis or Ozil because that was in a different period. This transfer market to get world class you had to pay over the odds. So the players were there it's just that we chose not to compete simply because of the money.
Costa I'll still say we should have went for. I'd love to have had him and you don't give up on signings because you believe the other club will beat you to him. For me I would have thrown 25 for Costa as a example and if Bayern went 30 and beat us at the very least we made them pay more then the 21 they actually paid.
It's the same with the other players like line Depay as a example. I wouldn't mind if we bid for him more then Man.u so even if we get out bidded we at least make our rivals pay more, therefore leaving them with a smaller amount of money to pay with for other transfers.
A team that couldn't win the league the before can easily benefit from new signings. If we had done what I said and bidded for some of the other top players who actually were sold for under 30 million and missed out we could have at the very least strengthened our bench young talent who are still good enough for the first team for games where some of our 1st team players need resting.
As for last the transfer window I never complained. We bought Alexis, Debauchy, Chambers, and Welbeck. However let's not forget we sold our best players in previous years pretty much every season and not only sold them but actually sold them to rivals for silly prices but that's another story.

I thought higuain was available for an expensive but not obscene release clause... I think he would've been the perfect striker for you guys.

Why not mate? You guys have a huge stadium, most expensive tickets in the league and have increasingly more money coming your way from the tv rights deals and growing world wide fan base... Why wouldn't you want them to spend what they earn even if they have to pay over the odds for some players?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not for spending unsustainably, but nor am I for clubs with huge income streams posting profits like corporations...

We never have been and never will be a club like a Chelsea, PSG or City who will throw 50-60m at a player just because we can afford to. On top of that we are also not a club who will give a player 300k a week in wages. It's just the way we do things.

His release clause is like 65m pounds.

Sadly you are right because with Stan Kronke having majority control over the club nothing will change. If the cunt would just fuck off and sell to Usmanov we would be able to compete but that won't happen while club keeps making profits year after year.

:lol: Usmanov coming in wouldn't change things. We wouldn't suddenly become a Chelsea or City. This has nothing to do with Kroenke. It's the Arsenal way to do things in what we percieve as the right way, no owner will change that I don't think. Especially since Usmanov would not get rid of Arsene anyway.

Shock horror, Welbeck apparently out for a few months after an operation on his knee. If true I'd probably expect Akpom to be recalled from loan.

EDIT: Confirmed by the club http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/20150903/danny-welbeck-undergoes-knee-surgery

Edited by sydneycroatia58: 3/9/2015 11:07:26 PM