I never said he was a shit manager, but look at the truly great managers like Clough, Shankly or Busby - none of them spent hours after a game bitching about the referees. They just got the job done. And that's the difference between Fergie and the true greats.

That's my opinion, deal with it.

Thats your opinion, that's great. I think most people will disagree though. Fergie is still managing, he will go into the 'true greats' once he retires.

That doesn't warrant calling me a "douche" or "stupid" when I can fully justify the opinion I gave.

What is that famous Shankly quote......

"The trouble with refs is they know the rules but they do not know the game"

Seems to be complaining about refs. Seems like any other manager he had issues with refs and complained about them.

Every manager does it. Fergie is just in the spot light and doesn't lose much so when it happens it sticks out like dogs balls.

Context is a marvelous thing with that quote. I don't believe that quote was in direct reference to any specific mistake, unlike SAF's constant complaining.

Shankly, Busby and Clough didn't have to deal with the pressure and scrutiny from the modern media either. They weren't bombarded with pressing questions after games by journalists like the modern day Premier League manager. And they didn't have to worry about the 50 cameras that could pin point any event or action either.

You can't not respect Ferguson for his achievements as a manager, and that is what will see him remembered as a great manager, not his media conferences.

They also didn't have 400m to blow on players in the space of ten years.

Your argument is beyond pathetic. To try and deny that SAF will be remembered as one of, if not the greatest manager ever just reeks of jealousy and spite.

He is digging himself a hole lol.

Look, that's my opinion. I stated my contention, I backed it up with evidence. If you don't like it, either make a decent rebuttal instead of calling me a jealous moron or get over it and move along to tonight's games.

Spearing starting. Oh my.

Spearing on Fellaini...this could get messy.

it's annoying to think we're starting with Spearing but Everton has Rodwell on the bench

Rodwell has more experience and ability than Spearing imo.

Spearing is championship quality... Rodwell is a future england captain

Not if Kelly beats him to it 8-[ :P

Hearing very strong words about Suarez. Talk of Babel going the other way.

Eridivisie has given the EPL it's fair share of striker flops, but at 23 and if the deal is something like Babel and 10m it's a good price for someone who could be a star.

Word about Suarez keeps getting stronger. I'm surprised tbph. I thought he'd be too much of an egotistical prick to join a struggling club like us.

In other news, Suso and Coady got promoted from the youths yeaterday. Now training at Melwood. Stoked for them, and it's a good move from Kenny.

Mark van Bommel from Bayern for $2.5m?

Oh, and Steven Warnock coming back from Villa on loan.

Now, I like him, but those kind of rumours make me worry. I think we can shore up the back better than that.

Van Bommel is too old to make any deal really worthwhile IMO. I mean, he's good...but he hasn't done anything for the last couple of years.

Suarez deal sounds good, promising...but I have my doubts as to how legitimate the talk of it is.

Depends if there's a place back there for him. Regular first team football, maybe not, but we're really fucking starved of someone who can make a play or two in the centre of the field.

The other one was Negredo from Sevilla instead of Suarez.

Haven't seen him play much, but I've heard he's a strong, stand-up fucker who'd do well in the Premier League.

Edit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OON2uLK08B0

Well, all great, but the issue is whether or not we'd have anyone to feed him the kind of balls he can convert. No doubt we do, but consistently?

Edited by dizzy_red: 20/1/2011 07:17:14 PM

I'd be happy with Negredo. Warnock might come in on loan if we send Konch on loan back to Fulham.

Negredo would have been ideal when we had Alonso, but not any more. No dice. Not worth the amount Sevilla want for him. He's not worth much more than 10-12m.

I don't see the point of signing Van Bommel when you're trying to 're-build' a squad. I mean, the bloke is 33 and you're going to have to replace him in 12 months, why bother? Why not make the long-term signing like Veloso?

No, Negredo stays at Sevilla. :P

You win either way. :D

I think there's room for Van Bommel - not for long, but 2.5m is a bargain for someone with his experience and brains. Look at it another way, rather than long-term - we're seriously lacking in the centre of midfield this season. VB can replace Gerrard adequately, he's able to direct play from midfield and can direct a squad, and he's played with Kuyt a fair bit before - and Kuyt is lacking support after the Statler and Waldorf purges.

Also, if Frank Rijkaard becomes a favourite to replace Kenny, integration will be key. VB will be able to help with that.

Theoretically speaking. ;)

You're probably right, that a large portion of his 'value' would be in that he'd provide that extra expereince and drive in the absence of Carragher.

Kuyt deserves more support than he's getting. He's one of the driving forces in the team and he never stops running for them. It's just disappointing that he doesn't get that backing. I think that like Alonso was, he's not acknowledged nearly enough for his efforts and we won't realise how much we miss him until he's gone.

This. Kuyt's work-rate and effort is second to none, he respects the shirt and seems to love Liverpool. He's also very unselfish, constantly cutting in from the flank, drawing out defenders and allowing the full-back to overlap. If you watch him closely he's capable of moments of brilliant skill as well. I pray we don't lose him...considering i just bought a Kuyt jersey hahahahaha.8-[

He's probably one of the most underrated players in the EPL for mine.

His work rate is sensational. He's the only player running for a full 90 minutes, even if we're 2-1 down he's still running. If we're 2-1 up, he's STILL running. It's a pity that none of his teammates are, but the point is, HE is. We need more players with his drive and conviction - that's been lacking this season.

Watching some of his chances that he missed against Everton...I was thinking "How do you miss that? If I gave you a rebound with your back to goal at waist-height, you'd have volleyed it into the ground and into the back of the net...but you just missed a tap in?" It's exasperating to know how brilliantly he plays and then that one moment he has a brain fart. But I love him in the shirt. Like I said, possibly the most underrated player since Xabi Alonso.