afromanGT
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Sweet Carroll 9! Sounds good
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imnofreak wrote:But how much can we add? I thought if we expand it can only go up 10-15k. It's Fenway's preferred option, and to be honest, 60,000 is a lot. That'd make it as large as the Emirates, only within a tighter space: third tier on the centenary stand, second tier on the main stand. I don't think any pricing's been put on the redevelopment, but Stanley Park was going to 300m quid. It's not likely that redevelopment, including demolishing Anfield Road and rebuilding from scratch in a better configuration, would cost that much. And there's loads of space behind Anfield Road. The only real problem is Walton Breck Road, running behind the Kop where the main entrance is, which limits expansion of the Kop. Also, all the administrative offices, the shop and the museum are under there. But fuck, the Kop is huge and intimidating now. It doesn't need expanding. The Kop - you just can't replicate that, man. Oh, the other one for me is that Liverpool is desperately short on greenery. It's compact, but a lot of people live there, so space is at a premium. If you take away a big section of Stanley Park, then we lose that precious green space as well. Like I said, the council prefer the new stadium option... but the council aren't LFC. They're transitional twats on their way to retirement, and having worked for them, I know that they're a narrowly self-interested bunch of wankers. Thus, history and practicality need to dictate it, not a bunch of councillors.
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afromanGT
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You have to remember that adding onto the stadium is going to require reinforcement of the foundations which is going to prove to be very costly. It may only cost say, 80m to add on the necessary 15k expansion, but it's going to cost another 100m to reinforce the foundations of each stand.
Also, if we redevelop Anfield, we can't profit from the sale and redevelopment of the site into residential zoning and put that towards funding the expansion.
Financially, a new stadium makes the most sense. Sometimes tradition is the cost of progress. Especially in modern football. If they could MOVE the Kop End to Stanley Park and build the new stadium around that, it would be amazing. :-k
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Anfield is one of the most deprived areas in Liverpool. There's no money to be made from building houses in Anfield, and no money to be derived from selling on the space for houses. Average house price is about 30,000 quid. I can only think of two crappier areas than Anfield. Also, I'm not sure you can take a guestimate about how much it's going to cost to redevelop, but I can tell you it didn't cost anywhere in the region of that to add the tiers to the Centenary Stand and Anfield Road.
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dizzy_red wrote:I can only think of two crappier areas than Anfield. Actually, three: Kensington, Dingle and Goodison Park.
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afromanGT
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dizzy_red wrote:Anfield is one of the most deprived areas in Liverpool. There's no money to be made from building houses in Anfield, and no money to be derived from selling on the space for houses. Average house price is about 30,000 quid. I can only think of two crappier areas than Anfield. Also, I'm not sure you can take a guestimate about how much it's going to cost to redevelop, but I can tell you it didn't cost anywhere in the region of that to add the tiers to the Centenary Stand and Anfield Road. The whole idea would be to use the project to rejuvenate the area. If it's not a good area, then why should the club stay there? Like I said, the club has to weight up tradition v progress and right now progress has to win out, especially when clubs like City, United and Chelsea are extremely close to leaving us for dead.
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afromanGT wrote:The whole idea would be to use the project to rejuvenate the area. If it's not a good area, then why should the club stay there? Like I said, the club has to weight up tradition v progress and right now progress has to win out, especially when clubs like City, United and Chelsea are extremely close to leaving us for dead. If you use that rationale then you only look for good areas to put the club. And no one in better areas wants a football stadium next to their house - with the exceptions being, of course, the ones that have been there since the places were shitty areas, like Stamford Bridge. So you don't have new footy stadiums. And let's get this right: Stamford Bridge is currently smaller than Anfield, and its redevelopment plans face similar, but more concentrated issues for a smaller capacity, and the City of Manchester stadium only has 47,000 max for footy games. And Old Trafford always has been in a different league for a larger catchment with a greater amount of monetised success in the EPL. Apples and oranges. Unlike City, Anfield is a current stadium with development potential. Maine Road was banjoed. It wasn't suitable at all for anything. This isn't an issue of keeping up with the Joneses, because we're already keeping up with them. Stanley Park isn't that far away from Anfield. In fact, it's right next to it. But that's not the point: what will happen is that the council will push to use the area for another pie-in-the-sky redevelopment scheme, and believe me, those things are ten-a-penny for every area of Liverpool, and it'll do the same as most of the others have, bringing very little benefit except massaging the council's ego and this time destroying 120 years of history along with it. As well as which, total redevelopment isn't possible - there's too many consecrated sections of the ground with ashes spread on them. For me, this is one of the most important reasons for staying. Then we lose another piece of greenery from the city, and instead of involvement in the club and building on a rich historical tradition in that place, we have another shopping centre or a hotel or something that no one wants to visit in the desperate attempt to regenerate another area. This is a Statler and Waldorf legacy - they built their period of ownership on promises made to Warren Bradley they didn't keep. I don't think Fenway are going to build on Stanley Park because I think they know the cost/benefit and they know the realities of Anfield.
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Quote:And let's get this right: Stamford Bridge is currently smaller than Anfield, and its redevelopment plans face similar, but more concentrated issues for a smaller capacity, and the City of Manchester stadium only has 47,000 max for footy games. While they may be smaller stadiums the clubs have other significant income sources. Liverpool are behind the 8-ball on that front and have to make up the ground somehow. This would mostly require building a new stadium that's SIGNIFICANTLY bigger than the current one. Not just slapping another 10-12k seats on. If you could add another 25,000 seats on to Anfield, that would be the way to go. But since it's not possible you have to consider other options.
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In defence of Luis SuarezGreat article :). Though I expect it to be met with immature responses from most on here.
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afromanGT wrote:Quote:And let's get this right: Stamford Bridge is currently smaller than Anfield, and its redevelopment plans face similar, but more concentrated issues for a smaller capacity, and the City of Manchester stadium only has 47,000 max for footy games. While they may be smaller stadiums the clubs have other significant income sources. Liverpool are behind the 8-ball on that front and have to make up the ground somehow. This would mostly require building a new stadium that's SIGNIFICANTLY bigger than the current one. Not just slapping another 10-12k seats on. If you could add another 25,000 seats on to Anfield, that would be the way to go. But since it's not possible you have to consider other options. I'm not sure what you're talking about with 'other sources of income'. Having a rich owner isn't an income source any more under FFP. Besides, in case you missed the news, we have a rich owner. LFC itself, Liverpool Football Club and Athletics Grounds Ltd, is sustainable, and always has been, and we still outstrip the other two in terms of international reach and operating income - which suggests that it's not the other clubs that have alternative forms of revenue and are living outside their means, it's us. The debt crisis of 2010 wasn't an operational crisis, it was a crisis if Hicks and Gillett's companies. We're sitting pretty, mate. Pretty sure if we weren't then redevelopment wouldn't be the preferred option of FSG...
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LFC in itself might be able to maintain running costs, but when it comes time to cover things like bonuses and signing fees we're up shit creek without a paddle. And City's insane naming rights fee for their stadium makes them very difficult to compete with. Having a bigger stadium with bigger ticket sales is the best way to keep up with them.
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LFC.
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Vorm continuing where Ruddy left off, with brilliant saves to deny us.
But cant just use that as an excuse - we got passed off the park for long periods. We started well and Andy missed that sitter - who knows what happens if that goes in.
Real shame and we've dropped down to 6th.
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we are not going to get top 4 if we keep getting draws in games that we have chances and don't capalise. Last two weeks ManU could easily have drawn but have gotten out draws and so did chelsea for the first few rounds. We will not compete even for the top 4 if we keep doing this
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Yep. We have to make sure we DON'T keep doing this.
City and Chelsea next too... wont be easy.
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imnofreak wrote:Yep. We have to make sure we DON'T keep doing this.
City and Chelsea next too... wont be easy. Chelsea in the cup isn't it? hopefully we can exploit their form especially the full/wingbacks who seem confused with AVB's tactics and often get lost in defence (but are very dangerous in attack)
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19th v Chelsea 27th v Man City 29th v Chelsea (cup)
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afromanGT wrote:LFC in itself might be able to maintain running costs, but when it comes time to cover things like bonuses and signing fees we're up shit creek without a paddle. And City's insane naming rights fee for their stadium makes them very difficult to compete with. Having a bigger stadium with bigger ticket sales is the best way to keep up with them. Well, you'd better impart your sage wisdom to FSG then, because they sure as hell disagree with you. :-s moofa wrote:imnofreak wrote:Yep. We have to make sure we DON'T keep doing this.
City and Chelsea next too... wont be easy. Chelsea in the cup isn't it? hopefully we can exploit their form especially the full/wingbacks who seem confused with AVB's tactics and often get lost in defence (but are very dangerous in attack) League away, then City at home, then Chelsea away again in the League Cup. Henderson won't be lasting. I think he's running out of chances to impress. Lazy fuck. Carroll is balancing somewhere particularly unimpressive as well. ROI is not good on him. Very lucky not to get a yellow card, another atrocious decision by that bell-end Dowd, only in our favour. Money on Bellers and Kuyt to start getting starts. At least the Blue shite went down to Toon.
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Hendo looks lost at RM. When in the middle he's looked good. And I don't think Adam-Lucas works as a partnership. Wouldn't mind seeing a 4-3-3 with Hendo/Lucas/Adam and Suarez/Downing/Carroll.
Downing had his best game in a while. Put that one on a plate far Carroll early on.
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4-6-0.
Maxi, as well. I'm impressed with Maxi and Kuyt - more so than I was Raul. They've been effectively benched for the younger ones, and yet you haven't heard a peep out of them. Shows a great deal of confidence in themselves. But I can yet still see a place for Maxi.
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He's a soft target. Someone who gets in the face of opposing players and has a few times performed in a way in which most people (that aren't LFC fans) would consider contrary to the spirit of the game is always going to cop it. If he kept his head down and just played the game he'd be less hated by opposing fans. However, every 2 weeks it seems he's in trouble again for something. There can be no denying that his actions are and probably always will be in the spotlight because of a few contentious occurences. He's made himself a target and its probably unfair. He's not the first and won't be the last player its happened too. Every time Nani wins a penalty you feel as if he's dived, correct? To be very honest, its because Suarez is a great player. A lot of people will look to detract from his talents by pointing out his flaws. The first step to his redemption would be to stop berating referees every 5 minutes.
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benelsmore wrote:He's a soft target. Someone who gets in the face of opposing players and has a few times performed in a way in which most people (that aren't LFC fans) would consider contrary to the spirit of the game is always going to cop it. If he kept his head down and just played the game he'd be less hated by opposing fans. However, every 2 weeks it seems he's in trouble again for something. There can be no denying that his actions are and probably always will be in the spotlight because of a few contentious occurences. He's made himself a target and its probably unfair. He's not the first and won't be the last player its happened too. Every time Nani wins a penalty you feel as if he's dived, correct? To be very honest, its because Suarez is a great player. A lot of people will look to detract from his talents by pointing out his flaws. The first step to his redemption would be to stop berating referees every 5 minutes. Yep its human nature to dislike an opposing player more due to his brilliance agreed. As for the drawn game - thank fuck I'm in the US for work and coverage is nil with the 2trillion channels available no football but BS gridiron etc.... So Carroll miss's a sitter in the first 10 ?! wtf is this guy over his head for the challenge ? the toons are performing and we with a better line up on paper are not achieving the results, I have faith it will turn around but I'm getting pissed to put it mildly...we have struggled v's promoted teams :roll:
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Terribly disheartening result last night. Andy Carroll is missing a sitter a game at the moment. We need a more natural finisher to partner Suarez up top. It's not good enough. Henderson hasn't been much better, he goes missing too often in games. On the whole, they're no way 50m worth of players.
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Quote:Daniel Agger delivered a withering assessment of Liverpool’s latest wasteful Anfield performance and has warned their Champions League ambitions will evaporate with further repeats.
The Denmark defender is usually economical with his words but he did not hold back following a 0-0 draw with Swansea, a result which means Liverpool have already squandered eight points on home territory from six games this season.
‘Sometimes we looked like headless chickens running around after the ball,’ said Agger, before cryptically adding: ‘I think everyone was angry and disappointed, some more than others, but that is the way it is.’ No home comforts: Agger (left) is concerned that while Liverpool remain unbeaten at Anfield, they have drawn four out of six Premier League games
No home comforts: Agger (left) is concerned that while Liverpool remain unbeaten at Anfield, they have drawn four out of six Premier League games
Certainly there was no disguising Agger’s fury. Kenny Dalglish selected the same side that had dismantled West Brom seven days earlier but the display was far removed from the one they had produced in the Black Country.
Therein lies a key point. Despite the significant overhaul that took place this summer, all the old problems that have stymied Liverpool in recent years remain. They fall down against sides they should beat, there is an over-reliance on certain individuals and consistency is frustratingly elusive.
Faces may change in the dugout and on the pitch but everything seems to stay the same at Anfield. The more Liverpool fail these type of examinations, the more restless the crowd becomes. Teams arrive at the fabled old ground sensing their hosts are vulnerable. Flat out: Liverpool's Jose Enrique rues a missed opportunity
Flat out: Liverpool's Jose Enrique rues a missed opportunity
‘We were really, really bad,’ said Agger. ‘When we got the ball we lost it straight away. We were not sharp enough. We did not press well enough. There were so many things that were really disappointing, especially after we played okay last week.
‘We have to win these types of games, no matter which kind of team we put out. We are Liverpool Football Club.
‘If we play like this, we won’t (get back into the top four). We have got to move up a level or two. I won’t say it is not possible, because it is but it is up to the players. We are the only ones who can make a difference. We definitely have to do a lot better.’
While Liverpool were poor, it would be wrong to overlook a terrific effort from Swansea. They played the better football, should have won the game had Mark Gower shown some composure when he had the Kop goal at his mercy and never flinched in the face of a late rally. No way through: Luis Suarez was kept quiet by impressive Swansea
No way through: Even livewire Luis Suarez was kept quiet by impressive Swansea
‘This is a difficult place to come, so for us to play how we played, get a clean sheet and a point was a fantastic,’ enthused Swansea’s impressive manager Brendan Rodgers. ‘I like my teams to be technical and tactically organised and understand their job, but psychologically this was important.
‘To stand there when You’ll Never Walk Alone was going around the ground was a real tear-jerker. Ultimately, I am judged to do a job and I thought psychological this point was a step forward to us.’ Well in Danny. Carroll has been left out of England squad. In favour of Bobby Zamora :shock:
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Quote:Carroll has been left out of England squad. In favour of Bobby Zamora Nothing like spending 35m on a player who is one-upped by Bobby Zamora.
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Bobby was good against us last night.
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I don't think many would be surprised with Zamora ahead of Carroll.
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