That's not fucking evidence. That's what Evra says happens. There is still no proof.

It has, and always will be, one man v another. And it's ridiculous that he can be charged just on that.


If you are prepared to call that evidence, you must call this evidence also:





Look, it is clear that somebody is lying here. I have no fucking idea who it is, I'm not going to say who I think it is because it doesn't matter. I strongly expect us to take this as far as we can though, fuck everybody.

Suarez and Liverpool changing their story every week didn't help things and it showed in the report.

Edited by busbybabe: 1/1/2012 12:19:24 PM

A few things that jump out at me -

Evra has maintained through all of this that he doesn't believe Suarez to be racist. If Suarez said what Evra is supporting though, then surely Evra would not be backing him up like this? Because on Evra's report, that is some disgusting behavior from Suarez (though I do not believe he did it)

They still show no reason as to why Evra's report should carry more weight. They give no reason why his version should be believed over Suarez's.

Some of the reasoning is farcical - like this below:


If this comes into why they charged him - what the fuck? He touched his arm so he's a racist? :lol: :roll:

Interesting also that Evra admitted that he started the conversation with "La concha de tu hermana," which means literally "your sister's private parts". Nice guy :lol: But he says he didn't mean it as an insult. They take his word for it, but when Luis says he said what he said without insult, he isn't believed.

Also, Evra has changed his story.


Same goes with the second part of the conversation:

Mr Kuyt said that he was very close to Mr Evra and the referee at this time. He said he was "absolutely certain" that he heard Mr Evra say that the referee was only booking him because he was black. Paranoid?

On and on and on it goes - pathetic TBH, should have left it on the field between the both of them just finished off to each other with a F off and see each other again for a square up next game with some decent tackles or show up.

By the way fellas hope you had a rippa NY it sure started well yesterday with the win v's the Toons and I have to say it finished spot on seeing the last 15 of Burns win :d good luck to them that certainly came out of nowhere !

I'm trying to find a way to respond to this without swearing. I've failed, so i'm going to leave it alone.

There is 0 point in arguing this with you as nobody will ever see what the other person sees. I'm not going to bother.

How come Liverpool fans bring up everything that Evra admitted but anything Suarez admitted tois just made up and we don't know what he actually said. But you all know 100% what Evra said and meant :lol:

It is not about arguing. When the dust settles and you look back at it on months to come, you will see how Liverpool have handled this and realise that they have not done it well.

Suarez admitted to saying 'negro'. Nobody is saying that he didn't say negro (now that the report is released.) What else did Suarez admit to that I am unaware of?



No. No I wont.

That is what Suarez admitted and what I was referring to. Every time we said that we were told, no it is only Evra's word it means nothing.

But that is one of the few times I have seen a Liverpool fan admit that. Well done. Now we just have to realise he wasn't being affectionate at the time.

It was what I was saying when the ban was first announced, we had to wait for the report. The report is now out and I can see why they have banned him. 8 matches, harsh and is a lot but they had to make a stand.


Edited by busbybabe: 1/1/2012 12:47:08 PM

Before the report nobody knew what Suarez said. I heard people saying he admitted it but I never saw it anywhere. It's in the report that Suarez admitted to saying negro - so now I believe it.

Make a stand for what? Can you tell me why Evra's report should be believed over Suarez's? When there is no actual proof either way?

Ok there is no proof about his meaning behind the word. But seriously forget the ban, the fine and the case, put two and two together, do you think he meant it in an affectionate way or as an insult? Be honest.

I don't know. I honestly don't.

What's done is done now though. Even as a Liverpool supporter, why would Evra lie? After reading bits of that report it seems quite clear something did go.

Haha no, because he used a Racial Term. That's what Busby was asking. 'Did he use the Racial Term in an Affectionate way, or as an insult?'. Not just asking if Suarez insulted Evra in general.

I follow Liverpool but I feel a ban is correct, probably it is a little too long as I don't think Suarez would have come out and said the word so early if he thought it would be taken so harshly. I think it will be cut with an appeal on lack of solid evidence, probably back to 4 - 6 games.

Is Evra also being investigated for saying 'get off me you South American'? In saying this I also think Evra said this because 1. He may be really stupid (which I doubt) or 2. he was telling the truth on the whole thing but saying something derogatory to people from South America because of where they came from is still racist in my books so should come with a ban but less as it is not repeated or excessive use.

Seems pretty clear cut for me, as a Liverpool supporter as well. Time for 35m to try earn his money.

Well the report says that they found that Evra never used the words South American like Suarez claimed.

It sounds better to Liverpool fans, they are going to continue with it.

Whichever way you look at it the way they came to their guilty judgement is fatally flawed.

In effect they are 'hanging' him because in there opinion the way he acted during the latter part of the game was aggressive and thus that provides probable cause for a racial outburst(You could say without this observation of aggression that it would be one mans word against another, something they bluntly refuse is the only reason for the outcome).

Below they explain an incident in which they would later describe as the starting point of Suarez's aggression towards Patrice Evra, You can see the 'deliberate foul' here -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH50lwwBRms

'In the 58th minute of the game, Mr Suarez fouled Mr Evra between the edge of the
Manchester United penalty area and the corner flag at the Kop end. It seemed to us to be a
deliberate foul, and the referee awarded a free kick. The foul was committed by Mr Suarez
kicking Mr Evra on his right knee. Mr Evra explained that he had previously had a bad
problem in that knee. He remained on the ground receiving medical treatment for about
one minute after the tackle.'

They than proceed to say about Suarez "His facial expression was hostile towards Mr Evra, he was
speaking forcefully to him, he looked Mr Evra up and down and then reached out and
pinched Mr Evra's bare left forearm.", Which sounds bad and aggressive which I guess it is, But do they not remember that Evra was threatening to punch and kick him throughout this conversation? They also fail to explain when his facial expression's are hostile, It's quite normal to have a hostile facial expression when telling someone to 'shut up' is it not? There is also the point of them mentioning that you can't see Suarez's face for parts of the confrontation.

And than to add to there theory of Suarez the bad guy they come to the conclusion that Suarez is provoking Evra by touching his head.... If they can make assumptions of Suarez's intentions and tone of voice can they not just get a lip reader to look at the evidence in which is he is 'speaking forcefully'? I don't even care if his suspended anymore just put some proper evidence on the table and prove him innocent/guilty ffs.

No, It doesn't.

Yes, it does. Paragraph 364.

Appeal LFC - its your right to do so.

Take this as high and as far as you can fucking go. Don't stop until it's physically impossible to do so.

So Kenny is trying to get Bent ! I like, he and Bellers till Saurez gets back both possible good combos. Carroll must be feeling shyte !

Regardless of that, the FA seem to take the two testimonies in different lights from each player and Suarez had been tarred and feathered before he even walked into the room. Wavering testimony from both players shouldn't render one "reliable and the ideal witness" and the other "unreliable and unrealistic".

The groups urging Liverpool not to appeal need to mind their own business.

Fuck no. Another waste of money there. How about signing a player with actual talent?

Tabloids have you linked with $30 mil pound move for Theo. Would fit your philosophy of overpaying for English talent.

We need a natural finisher who can play up top and lead the Offense. I don't think an inside forward like Theo is much use when we've already got Suarez, Maxi, Kuyt, Downing and Bellers who can play there.

http://forums.liverpoolfc.tv/showthread.php?t=289556&page=41

Second post was excellent. Some very good points.

http://forums.liverpoolfc.tv/showthread.php?t=289736

Another great thread.

Love the post by Jaythered in particular.