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Its quite clear that Sterling out with Milner and Ings coming in will be seen as a successful summer for Liverpool.
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Wouldn't surprise me :lol:
Fuck him anyway. We gave him his chance to break into the first team - he took it , played sensationally for a while and was rightly touted as one of the best young players around. However it seems it got to his head, he's played like shit all year, granted in a variety of positions but he's not going to have everything his own way wherever he goes. He didn't show commitment to the team, turned into a greedy cunt and now wants to be paid the same amount of money as players who have been playing at the top level for years.
No thanks. Pretty simple to me, if you don't want to be here then you can fuck right off. Still got a few years left on his deal, don't care what happens now.
He's been shite of late anyway. With Ibe coming through he can pretty much play the same kind of role as what Raheem did last year. We still need more attacking players in any case.
In the end the big question is if we spend the money wisely (if we do sell him this year)
Our track record seems to indicate we wont :lol:
We had one window where we signed Sturridge and Coutinho for about 23m combined. Can't we do something like that? :lol:
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jlm8695 wrote:Its quite clear that Sterling out with Milner and Ings coming in will be seen as a successful summer for Liverpool.
:lol: Will be for sure....in terms of net spend.
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imnofreak wrote:Wouldn't surprise me :lol:
Fuck him anyway. We gave him his chance to break into the first team - he took it , played sensationally for a while and was rightly touted as one of the best young players around. However it seems it got to his head, he's played like shit all year, granted in a variety of positions but he's not going to have everything his own way wherever he goes. He didn't show commitment to the team, turned into a greedy cunt and now wants to be paid the same amount of money as players who have been playing at the top level for years.
No thanks. Pretty simple to me, if you don't want to be here then you can fuck right off. Still got a few years left on his deal, don't care what happens now.
He's been shite of late anyway. With Ibe coming through he can pretty much play the same kind of role as what Raheem did last year. We still need more attacking players in any case.
Agreed, he's well on his way to becoming the next Scott Sinclair.
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Been sitting on these beauties for a season afromanGT wrote:Thinking about it and discussing it with a few mates, the other important thing to remember with this transfer is that it's also a statement of intent from Liverpool. No matter how you spin it, Balotelli is a big name. And after a summer of bringing in players which are 'team players' designed to fill a role in BR's scheme, Liverpool needed something for the fans to get excited about, and a signing like Balotelli is a case of "shots fired" reminding other clubs (and their players) that Liverpool can draw big names again. Unlike the signings of Suarez (big player at a small club) and Coutinho (small player at a big club), obtaining Balotelli for what is frankly a modest fee from another big club (albeit one horribly underperforming) is in many ways a statement bellowing "Liverpool are back! afromanGT wrote:sydneycroatia58 wrote:Admittedly I don't really rate Balotelli, but the fact you got him and Sturridge for the same price Everton paid for Lukaku is pretty hilarious. EPL strikers that cost more than Sturridge + Balotelli: - Romelu Lukaku - Diego Costa - Alexis Sanchez - Fernando Torres - Dimtar Berbatov - Andriy Shevchenko - Sergio Aguero - Robinho - Edin Dzeko - Hernan Crespo - Carlos Tevez - Andy Carroll :lol::lol::lol: Adebayor, Rooney and Drogba aren't far behind at 25m a piece either. The thing is, at 16m I'd wager that Balotelli's merchandising sales over the next 12 months would take a huge chunk out of the transfer fee, if not all of it. afromanGT wrote:He's not going to be playing every game. Clubs dream of having a #2 the quality of Balotelli. It's a big name signing and a guy who scores important goals.
If BR can control Suarez and Sterling (who was headed down a dangerous path) then I don't think Balotelli will be completely out of control. I just hope he isn't too big of a distraction. He's much better than he used to be that's for sure. M.L. wrote:As much as he can be a loose cannon as mentioned BR is one gaffa who should get this beast in focuss to cause damage and win BIG tight games. Any CB's hate dealing with a tall solid striker - he's going to enjoy the ball distribution we'll be able to provide, this is a good buy @ $16m as mentioned ! I expect he's matured a little and the time away from the epl has probably given him the chance to see what more he could have done in back then - look out for the 2nd coming I'm predicting Smile Balotelli moved to Milan for £19m from City last year and has scored 30 goals in 54 games for the Serie A club.
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:lol: I'm glad I'm not on any of those :lol:
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Imnofreak wrote: Lovren is a beast
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aufc_ole wrote:Been sitting on these beauties for a season afromanGT wrote:Thinking about it and discussing it with a few mates, the other important thing to remember with this transfer is that it's also a statement of intent from Liverpool. No matter how you spin it, Balotelli is a big name. And after a summer of bringing in players which are 'team players' designed to fill a role in BR's scheme, Liverpool needed something for the fans to get excited about, and a signing like Balotelli is a case of "shots fired" reminding other clubs (and their players) that Liverpool can draw big names again. Unlike the signings of Suarez (big player at a small club) and Coutinho (small player at a big club), obtaining Balotelli for what is frankly a modest fee from another big club (albeit one horribly underperforming) is in many ways a statement bellowing "Liverpool are back! afromanGT wrote:sydneycroatia58 wrote:Admittedly I don't really rate Balotelli, but the fact you got him and Sturridge for the same price Everton paid for Lukaku is pretty hilarious. EPL strikers that cost more than Sturridge + Balotelli: - Romelu Lukaku - Diego Costa - Alexis Sanchez - Fernando Torres - Dimtar Berbatov - Andriy Shevchenko - Sergio Aguero - Robinho - Edin Dzeko - Hernan Crespo - Carlos Tevez - Andy Carroll :lol::lol::lol: Adebayor, Rooney and Drogba aren't far behind at 25m a piece either. The thing is, at 16m I'd wager that Balotelli's merchandising sales over the next 12 months would take a huge chunk out of the transfer fee, if not all of it. afromanGT wrote:He's not going to be playing every game. Clubs dream of having a #2 the quality of Balotelli. It's a big name signing and a guy who scores important goals.
If BR can control Suarez and Sterling (who was headed down a dangerous path) then I don't think Balotelli will be completely out of control. I just hope he isn't too big of a distraction. He's much better than he used to be that's for sure. M.L. wrote:As much as he can be a loose cannon as mentioned BR is one gaffa who should get this beast in focuss to cause damage and win BIG tight games. Any CB's hate dealing with a tall solid striker - he's going to enjoy the ball distribution we'll be able to provide, this is a good buy @ $16m as mentioned ! I expect he's matured a little and the time away from the epl has probably given him the chance to see what more he could have done in back then - look out for the 2nd coming I'm predicting Smile Balotelli moved to Milan for £19m from City last year and has scored 30 goals in 54 games for the Serie A club.
If you've been waiting all season for that then you need more in your life.
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jlm8695 wrote:Imnofreak wrote: Lovren is a beast Quote:https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/football-new-study-names-dejan-lovren-best-central-210145548--sow.html
Premier League - New study names Dejan Lovren as best central defender in the Premier League
Football fans were left scratching their heads on Monday evening when a study named Liverpool's Dejan Lovren as the best centre-back in the Premier League. 11 hours ago
Liverpool fans had high hopes for Lovren when he signed from Southampton for £20million last summer, but his first season at Anfield has widely been regarded as a failure.
Lovren committed a number of errors, was part of a Liverpool team that has conceded just nine fewer goals than relegation-threatened Hull and went through a spell of starting one league game in three months due to his poor form.
But the CIES Football Observatory see things differently. Its annual study into the top five leagues in Europe concluded that the former Lyon defender is better than John Terry, Vincent Kompany and Gary Cahill.
Based on its six criterion of shooting; chance creation; take on; distribution; recovery and rigour, Lovren is the 12th best defender in Europe and top of the pile in England.
Paris St Germain defender Thiago Silva is rated as the best centre-back in Europe, with Jerome Boateng of Bayern Munich and Barcelona's Javier Mascherano just behind him.
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:lol: and aufc has never said anything that hasn't bitten him on the you know what, hey whatever were all guilty at times :-$ :lol: so true get a life. Edited by M.L.: 19/5/2015 08:04:13 PM
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Quote:a signing like Balotelli is a case of "shots fired" reminding other clubs (and their players) that Liverpool can draw big names again. That wasn't a comment that you laugh at with hindsight, it was ridiculous even then and I remember laughing when I first read that. I'm not denying Balotelli is a big name, he certainly is, but bragging about this signing as a warning to other clubs is the height of ridiculousness when it's pretty bloody obvious none of them wanted him, in fact I don't even think Rodgers wanted him either.
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imnofreak wrote::lol: I'm glad I'm not on any of those :lol: Afro was synonymous with putting foot in mouth though lol. -PB
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paulbagzFC wrote:imnofreak wrote::lol: I'm glad I'm not on any of those :lol: Afro was synonymous with putting foot in mouth though lol. -PB :lol: Yep
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M.L. wrote::lol: and aufc has never said anything that hasn't bitten him on the you know what, hey whatever were all guilty at times :-$ :lol: so true get a life.
Edited by M.L.: 19/5/2015 08:04:13 PM To be fair though there's a similar study doing the rounds that names Phil Jones as the best young defender in Europe based on stats and United fans are treating that the same way we're treating this news about Lovren; like the garbage it is.
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Bye bye Brendan.
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I hope Stevie G comes back to Liverpool before he hangs up the boots for good- even if only for 6 months as a sub. He deserves a better exit than the shit he's been involved with the past 3 months. Today he walked alone. As for Rodgers? He can fuck off already as far as I'm concerned. I was prepared to give him until December and the next transfer window, but the past month- the tepid showing against Aston Villa in the FA Cup semi, the inability to contain Palaces' early breaking, high pressing attack for all bar 30 minutes last weekend and now this- this is the straw that has broke the camels back. An absolute disgrace that the team was so badly prepared and couldn't give a fuck for the second weekend in a row. It's evident that BR can't get this team motivated for big games, or even matches that have some importance to them. This shit would never happen under Rafa, no matter what off-pitch distractions were taking place. Apparently Klopp is 2/1 to take over and it can't come soon enough. Mind you, there's a few others who can join Brendan in making sure the door doesn't hit their arse on the way out- Sterling, Lovren and Balotelli for starters- then perhaps we can begin building some semblance of pride in the badge and the team again and have consistent players who want to be there and act like it! The cemetery where Bill Shankly lies just encountered a tremor from his turning in disgust... Edited by Captain Haddock: 25/5/2015 03:39:51 AM
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So Brendan, how does it feel to waste $100mil? You know the thing you accused Spurs of doing? You know the thing you said Liverpool wouldn't do?
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benelsmore wrote:So Brendan, how does it feel to waste $100mil? You know the thing you accused Spurs of doing? You know the thing you said Liverpool wouldn't do?
:lol: Feels like 6-1. -PB
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Captain Haddock wrote:Mind you, there's a few others who can join Brendan in making sure the door doesn't hit their arse on the way out- Sterling Are Pool fans actually keen for Sterling to leave, though? I thought he was your golden child, and someone you'd want to hang onto with whatever power you could.
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pv4 wrote:Captain Haddock wrote:Mind you, there's a few others who can join Brendan in making sure the door doesn't hit their arse on the way out- Sterling Are Pool fans actually keen for Sterling to leave, though? I thought he was your golden child, and someone you'd want to hang onto with whatever power you could. They seem pretty keen
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I want him to stay, have a blinder of a season, tell his agent he's a wanker and sign a new 5 year deal. Not sure if he will but I think we'll make him stay. We made Suarez stay
Too early to say all 100 mil was wasted since most went to potential. What we need is a proven striker that suits our game and I think much of the rest can fall into place.
Not looking too much into our form at the end of the season, I think a lot of it came down to the fan fare around Gerrard
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You think it came down to the fan-fare around Gerrard? Perhaps. Or maybe it had to do with the on-going Sterling "will he stay or will he go" affair? Either way, a club with the money and stature of Liverpool should at the very least expect to have a manager in charge who can steady a team through such "distractions" better than what has eventuated over the past month under BR. Go back through the past 6 months of this thread and you'll see I was more patient than a lot of others regarding Rodgers' tenure- but last nights' game is the straw that broke the camels' back for me. Liverpool are a club with a huge appetite for success. Success is measured in silverware. Silverware comes as a result of being able to win major games and still get results despite "distractions". Rodgers has shown himself to be out of his depth in both of these areas. I have no doubt BR could pick up a job at a team like Crystal Palace or West Ham and do quite well, in line with the budget and expectations available to him. But for a club like Liverpool who have the budget and resources to be challenging in the top 4 and winning the Cup competitions- no deal. He can go, so can the players I mentioned with their shit attitude, and in their place we need to sign proven strikers who aren't a gamble of Balotelli proportions, and a couple of good defenders who don't let a team like Stoke put 6 past us! Edited by Captain Haddock: 25/5/2015 03:46:06 PM
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SG's season was over after the send off.......it was up to BR and the squad to at least be in position and mentally making sure he walked off a winner his last couple of games #-o fanfare, nah all you had to do was go out and play your skin off, it sure didn't look like that the last weeks. Absolutely rubbish how its finished up. I don't know if its BR entirely but a % of cattle sure isn't up to it ! Moreno, Balo, Allen ?, Borini, Lucas just not enough anymore, Lambert complete waste, Manquillo, Markovic, Toure Lovren all for starters. Sterling I just don't know who's accountable here, manager ? < something has gone a missing the last 8wks. Even Sturridge is questionable imo being injury prone. Capt H, you mention budget and this is the next big issue at hand - what is FSG willing to throw in upon what goes out.
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You cant heap as much blame as you guys are onto BR, sure he spent loads, but you also lost one of the best players on the planet and used that money to fund transfers. You cannot replace 1 world class player with 7 decent players who are either not adjusted to the EPL or never played for a big team. And if you look at your last few seasons its not just him anyway, you've been crap for a while and that is that. He has a huge job on his hands and you would be stupid not to stick by him. Your last few years have gone like this:
2009/10: 7th 2010/11: 6th 2011/12: 8th 2012/13: 7th 2013/14: 2nd 2014/15: 6th
Brendan took Liverpool out of the shitter to 2nd in two years, that is pretty remarkable. Then they lost their best player and despite having a poor start and awful end, were only a few games off of CL. Keep in mind that you had lengthy runs in both cups too, BR is doing the best anyone can IMO.
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You'd be silly not to sack Rodgers with 2 significantly better coaches in Ancelotti and Klopp on the market, with very little of the top teams after them or about to change coaches.
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jlm8695 wrote:You'd be silly not to sack Rodgers with 2 significantly better coaches in Ancelotti and Klopp on the market, with very little of the top teams after them or about to change coaches. No doubt there are phone calls being made. Although can't see either of those managers agreeing to come on board without a significant transfer budget. I think Ancelotti said he'd take a year off if he wasn't coaching Real next season in any event.
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As much as I'd wish to give BR the benefit of the doubt and as Pr1mo pointed out he has steadied the ship to a degree he also has fecked up this season, sure the players are very accountable and you can only work with what you have the Saurez factor sure smoked the short comings that were always there and he would have known this, the transfer window/s buys were not good enough, thats his real error, defense was always shaky, attack well Balo was a flop but he relied on Sturridge to comeback and turn the world around, mind you we all hoped this but maybe he's another rvp, hot cold brilliant then injured once again. I'd like stability as anyone would but as mentioned whilst Klop and now Ancelotti are free as an owner I sure would look to have a meet and listen them out thats for sure. Edited by M.L.: 26/5/2015 11:52:25 PM
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I'd be happy to see Rafa come back and steady the ship. Getting Ancelotti or Klopp is a gamble because they're untried at the club- there's the chance it could create even more instability. At least Rafa is popular with the players, the club and the fans, and he seems to regard Liverpool as something more than just a club on his ex's list. Best case scenario he gets another legitimate chance at building Liverpool into cup winners and title contenders again (after Hicks/ Gillett fucked his plans over last time). Worst case scenario? It tanks. So what? Couldn't be any worse than Woy, or the shit that's been dished out the past month. You know that with Rafa, even if the League results were going shit that we'd go a long way in at least one of the Cup competitions on offer...
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