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+x+x+x+xYou wonder how the court of arbitration would find an appeal. If the usual punishment for ball tampering is 1 match (and no one has from memory ever served more than 2), regardless of CA's concern about damaging reputation I think a 1 year ban would be hard to justify. This is about much more than just simple ball tampering. Yeah, Cricket Australia made it pretty clear in their findings it's not just about the actual act of ball tampering. Of course, and I'm not denying that. But if they can make a convincing case that this is something that is usually only a 1-2 match suspension and has instead been unfairly blown out of proportion, then it will be hard to defend 12 months. The players' union has already started an appeal, so will be interesting to watch. It is worth a 1 or 2 match suspension under the ICC rules, but the 12 month suspension was brought down by CA based on their own code of conduct. I am not sure that kind of argument would work. I think the bans are quite fair, perhaps I would not have given Bancroft that much time and would have banned Smith permanently from leadership positions, but I am not aware of exactly what happened. Overall I think CA handled the situation very well.
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+x+x+xYou wonder how the court of arbitration would find an appeal. If the usual punishment for ball tampering is 1 match (and no one has from memory ever served more than 2), regardless of CA's concern about damaging reputation I think a 1 year ban would be hard to justify. This is about much more than just simple ball tampering. Yeah, Cricket Australia made it pretty clear in their findings it's not just about the actual act of ball tampering. Of course, and I'm not denying that. But if they can make a convincing case that this is something that is usually only a 1-2 match suspension and has instead been unfairly blown out of proportion, then it will be hard to defend 12 months. The players' union has already started an appeal, so will be interesting to watch.
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+x+xYou wonder how the court of arbitration would find an appeal. If the usual punishment for ball tampering is 1 match (and no one has from memory ever served more than 2), regardless of CA's concern about damaging reputation I think a 1 year ban would be hard to justify. This is about much more than just simple ball tampering. Yeah, Cricket Australia made it pretty clear in their findings it's not just about the actual act of ball tampering.
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+xYou wonder how the court of arbitration would find an appeal. If the usual punishment for ball tampering is 1 match (and no one has from memory ever served more than 2), regardless of CA's concern about damaging reputation I think a 1 year ban would be hard to justify. This is about much more than just simple ball tampering.
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+xYou wonder how the court of arbitration would find an appeal. If the usual punishment for ball tampering is 1 match (and no one has from memory ever served more than 2), regardless of CA's concern about damaging reputation I think a 1 year ban would be hard to justify. You sem to be missing the ensuing cover up, the lies and the clauses in their fucking huge players union contracts that rely on Sponsors who are now ripping up their monthly cheque. Cry about the kiddies then go drown your sorrows in your waterfront mansion. 60 minutes incoming
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Lehmann has quit. Will step down after this test
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You wonder how the court of arbitration would find an appeal. If the usual punishment for ball tampering is 1 match (and no one has from memory ever served more than 2), regardless of CA's concern about damaging reputation I think a 1 year ban would be hard to justify.
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Warner was obviously a very bad influence in the team, Smith far too weak a leader and Bancroft stupid for doing it.
However Lehmann does not pick the team so he could not stop Warner being in the team and he can only do so much to control him. This time he failed to do so, but that certainly does not mean he knew about it or in anyway supported what happened.
As for the video on the Steve Waugh dropping the chance but still claiming it, the ball clearly bounced behind Waugh's head where he could not see it. He grabs at it blindly and must have thought he grabbed it without it hitting the ground.
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+x+x+xI agree with the sentiments about Smith/Warner and the poor culture among the Aussies and I hope they cop it hard but geez some in the media need to dial it back a bit. With some of the reactions you'd think Smith was convicted of mass murder Agree, I don't think it warrants this level of outrage. I mean Faf Du Plessis got convicted of basically the same thing and people didn't go apeshit. All he got was a one game ban from memory. The majority of this has been driven by media-types who wouldn't have known what reverse swing was until a few days ago. CA just succumbed to the hand-wringing and the cries of "ban them all for life" without actually assessing what actually happened on its merits. Nah, has been a long time coming and they've gotten their just desserts. Like I said above they've been a bunch of cunce for a while and this is the reaction is due to not a single incident but the culmination of poor behaviour over the past decade or more. Take David Warner for instance, calls blokes cunce all day long and then someone has a crack at his wife and he blows up like the piss poor small man he is. That's just one example. How about asking for the stump mikes to be turned down so they can't be overheard sledging the fuck out of the Sth Africans? Then when they were told no they started plugging other products that weren't sponsors so they were forced to turn the mikes down. The send offs, the bullying, the whole lot. Darren Lehman once said he hopes the opposition captain cops so much shit he goes home in tears? I mean WTF? Fuck them. I'd rather lose honourably than win ugly. Now you've got the bowlers claiming it's nothing to do with them. No way are they that fucking blind to the change in the state of the cherry being handed back to them after bouncing once Just as much to blame.
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+x+xI agree with the sentiments about Smith/Warner and the poor culture among the Aussies and I hope they cop it hard but geez some in the media need to dial it back a bit. With some of the reactions you'd think Smith was convicted of mass murder Agree, I don't think it warrants this level of outrage. I mean Faf Du Plessis got convicted of basically the same thing and people didn't go apeshit. All he got was a one game ban from memory. The majority of this has been driven by media-types who wouldn't have known what reverse swing was until a few days ago. CA just succumbed to the hand-wringing and the cries of "ban them all for life" without actually assessing what actually happened on its merits. It's already cost them one major multi-year sponsorship deal and will probably cost them more. That matters more to CA than what actually happened.
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Bunch of bogan,thuggish cheating scum who have spent the past few years sooking about everyone else in world cricket like the hypocritical arrogant pieces of human garbage that they are. I hope they get called cheats everywhere they go for the next 10 years until they all cry.
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Muz
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+x+xI agree with the sentiments about Smith/Warner and the poor culture among the Aussies and I hope they cop it hard but geez some in the media need to dial it back a bit. With some of the reactions you'd think Smith was convicted of mass murder Agree, I don't think it warrants this level of outrage. I mean Faf Du Plessis got convicted of basically the same thing and people didn't go apeshit. All he got was a one game ban from memory. The majority of this has been driven by media-types who wouldn't have known what reverse swing was until a few days ago. CA just succumbed to the hand-wringing and the cries of "ban them all for life" without actually assessing what actually happened on its merits. Nah, has been a long time coming and they've gotten their just desserts. Like I said above they've been a bunch of cunce for a while and this is the reaction is due to not a single incident but the culmination of poor behaviour over the past decade or more. Take David Warner for instance, calls blokes cunce all day long and then someone has a crack at his wife and he blows up like the piss poor small man he is. That's just one example. How about asking for the stump mikes to be turned down so they can't be overheard sledging the fuck out of the Sth Africans? Then when they were told no they started plugging other products that weren't sponsors so they were forced to turn the mikes down. The send offs, the bullying, the whole lot. Darren Lehman once said he hopes the opposition captain cops so much shit he goes home in tears? I mean WTF? Fuck them. I'd rather lose honourably than win ugly.
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+xI agree with the sentiments about Smith/Warner and the poor culture among the Aussies and I hope they cop it hard but geez some in the media need to dial it back a bit. With some of the reactions you'd think Smith was convicted of mass murder Agree, I don't think it warrants this level of outrage. I mean Faf Du Plessis got convicted of basically the same thing and people didn't go apeshit. All he got was a one game ban from memory. The majority of this has been driven by media-types who wouldn't have known what reverse swing was until a few days ago. CA just succumbed to the hand-wringing and the cries of "ban them all for life" without actually assessing what actually happened on its merits.
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LOL, Australian Teams been twats a long time. Glad to see them get their comeuppance Only surprise has been why they've haven't done more about Warner before, he's been an obvious liability forever. Maxwell will be having a really good chortle about it all quietly
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yer more cover up re Lehmann and others. Smith is weak, should have said no fucking way are we doing this. Warner should cop more for being the instigator. Bancroft, stupid is stupid, fair enough his penance due to the circumstances.
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So 12 month bans from international and domestic cricket for Smith and Warner, 9 months for Bancroft. All can play grade cricket. Smith and Bancroft are able to be considered for leadership roles 12 months after the end of their bans and will depend on a whole bunch of criteria. Warner will never be considered for a leadership role again. Both Smith and Warner have lost their places in the IPL.
Turns out Warner was the leader and was the one who got Bancroft to do it and even showed him how, then when the shit hit the fan he pretended he knew nothing and didn't fess up after the match. Smith in the shit because he knew but didn't do anything to stop it and misled officials. Also turns out it was sandpaper not tape.
Lehmann in the clear, CA sufficiently convinced he didn't know about the plot. Apparently he sent out Handscombe once everything started happening to find out what was going on. Find it hard to believe he or any other player didn't know.
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correct aufc, media today have a lot to answer for. By the way, Lehmann is one who has to go imo.
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I agree with the sentiments about Smith/Warner and the poor culture among the Aussies and I hope they cop it hard but geez some in the media need to dial it back a bit. With some of the reactions you'd think Smith was convicted of mass murder
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That is nothing, nothing like what has occured in SA which is blatant cheating. The above a young bloke long before him being a Captain, how many others have reacted as such in games over the decades trying to gain the call their way but the correct outcome prevailed. Like divers in our game, its hard to call them cheats or not eh, pretty weak posting.
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+x+x+xWarner needs more heat. He is a flog of the highest order. Had to laugh at one of the Austrlian bowlers (name escapes me) getting cut for 6 who then, instead of going back to his mark with his tail between his legs, stood there and gave AB an absolute gobful. What a fucking idiot. You just got cut for 6 you clown. And all this commentary now about how 'I'm ashamed of the Australian cricket team'. WTF ? They've been grubby cunce for over a decade. Heard the editor of Wisden this morning say they are easily the most disliked team in world cricket. When there is over the top banter or poor sportsmanship in a cricket series one of the teams is almost always Australia. I miss the days of Steve Waugh and co. Excellent cricketers, top blokes. The rot set in with Steve Waugh. He started the whole 'mental disintegration' garbage. Before that there was 'banter' which was generally good natured with the occasional bit of nasty stuff. The last decent captain that didn't engage in this rubbish was Mark Taylor. Everything that happened here is directly attributable to Steve Waugh. (And he's admitted as such.) And don't get me wrong I used to like Steve Waugh before he was captain, not least because he used to play soccer for NSW. Personally the cheating part is not what irks me the most. It's the send-offs. It's ugly, it's unnecessary, it's poor sportsmanship, it's basically pathetic. The bloke's already out, how or why is it even allowed? Muz, sorry I can't agree on picking out SW. Sure he was a tough calculating shrewd Captain and sledger but he wasn't involved or agreeing with any cheating as this from my recollection back in those days. As far as I'm concerned even before then chappeli was as ruthless a Captain and more out on the pitch and it sure wasn't "good natured banter" from the likes of Lillee/Marshy/Thommo/Merv etcetc all game, it was nasty below the belt stuff don't you worry about that and they wanted to win at all costs. Feck, Greggi forced his bro to underarm the last ball preventing any chance for 6 that game at the death, wasn't that to win at all costs another eg. Our cricketers from the 70's/80's were ruthless/banter kings but fair imo right through AB to Waugh onto Taylor. Upon Ponting taking the reign but near the end was when we were starting to lose our grip as world beaters due to players not to the high standards we had enjoyed was when the rot started in desperation competing with the past brilliant gens we had. Ad that our own CA has become a basket case for years led by idiot Sutherland only worries about the $$$$ as do the players just as much. Smith Warner and Lehmann should burn. A broom needs to go through us for the better.
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This raised eyebrows with me. It was a WTF moment.
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Dumb enough to get caught. It was so clumsy and idiotic. There have been others that have brought the game into far more disrepute than anyone in the current australia side, but nothing so dumb and obvious as this.
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+xYou guys really need to read "Never a Gentleman's Game" by Malcolm Knox. A great cricket history book that shows that over the top sledging, behind the scenes shenanigans, cheating and match fixing have been a part of cricket from the very beginning. A great read. No one's naive enough to think other countries aren't doing it either but it's the whole attitude of the Australian cricket team. We're next level wankers. It's us up top, daylight and then everyone else. And besides which the old 'everyone is doing it' argument is no defense.
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You guys really need to read "Never a Gentleman's Game" by Malcolm Knox. A great cricket history book that shows that over the top sledging, behind the scenes shenanigans, cheating and match fixing have been a part of cricket from the very beginning. A great read.
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+xWarner needs more heat. He is a flog of the highest order. Had to laugh at one of the Austrlian bowlers (name escapes me) getting cut for 6 who then, instead of going back to his mark with his tail between his legs, stood there and gave AB an absolute gobful. What a fucking idiot. You just got cut for 6 you clown. And all this commentary now about how 'I'm ashamed of the Australian cricket team'. WTF ? They've been grubby cunce for over a decade. Heard the editor of Wisden this morning say they are easily the most disliked team in world cricket. Make that 2 decades
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+x+xWarner needs more heat. He is a flog of the highest order. Had to laugh at one of the Austrlian bowlers (name escapes me) getting cut for 6 who then, instead of going back to his mark with his tail between his legs, stood there and gave AB an absolute gobful. What a fucking idiot. You just got cut for 6 you clown. And all this commentary now about how 'I'm ashamed of the Australian cricket team'. WTF ? They've been grubby cunce for over a decade. Heard the editor of Wisden this morning say they are easily the most disliked team in world cricket. When there is over the top banter or poor sportsmanship in a cricket series one of the teams is almost always Australia. I miss the days of Steve Waugh and co. Excellent cricketers, top blokes. Apart from Glenn McGrath, Shane Warne, & Michael Slater
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