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because of having a 2nd comm in the background you take that work off him, and he'll probably do better and more in-depth updates, wouldn't you say?


I would say so.
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Second commentator should only do the scoreboard and news flashes and half time stats etc. I think it's something we should try for big games like derbies and finals coming up... it'd be good to have a few guys used to just dealing with that statistical stuff.

Would love the survey results.
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scouse_roar wrote:
Second commentator should only do the scoreboard and news flashes and half time stats etc. I think it's something we should try for big games like derbies and finals coming up... it'd be good to have a few guys used to just dealing with that statistical stuff.

Would love the survey results.


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HERE ARE THE SURVEY RESULTS. Im going to post them here so everyone can have a look.


1.Where do you typically view the 442 commentary from? Are you an australian citizen or living overseas? Are you an expat? Where are you from?


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1.New Zealand      
2.   i am from Mauritius   
3.   New Zealand   
4.   London. Aussie living in England.   
5.   Home, Aussie citizen, no, central coast   
6.   5th generation Canberran studying in Wollongo
7.   I'm an Australian living in Perth   
8.   Home - I'm a Kiwi in Auckland.      
9.   At home, Brisbane   
10.   Watch it from a PC when I'm not at home with Foxtel and can't find a decent stream.
I'm an Australian citizen
I'm of Maltese heritage   
11.   computer at home   
12.   Australian citizen (born in Poland of all places) living and working in New Zealand, loyal to green and gold.   
13.   When i was overseas on holiday.   S
14.   Australia   
15.   australia citizen   
16.   Maroochyrdore   
17.   Australia   
18.   A regular fan, viewing from home in australia   
19.   Australian citizen currently in Australia, but travel often and rely on this feed for Socceroos games.   
20.   from Germany   
21.   An Australian citizen   
22.   Australian citizen from melbourne   
23.   australian citizen from home in sydney
24.   Austrakua   
25.   Australia, Melbourne. Citizen.   
26.   Australian citizen   
27.   Australia   
28.   aussie expat in HK   
29.   Home,Aus Citizen,No,Wagga Wagga   
30.   I am an Australian citizen from Hobart, Tasmania   
31.   Australian Citizen in Caboolture, QLD   
32.   aussie citizen,Sydney   
33.   Australia   
34.   aus   
35.   australian , living england   
36.   luxembourg   
37.   Sydney, Aus   
38.   expat in japan from mildura victoria   
39.   Aussie citizen from perth.   
40.   Australian living in Canada   
41.   Sydney   
42.   Western Australia   
43.   Australian citizen, Sydney   
44.   Aussie living in London, originally from sydney   
45.   in my house in WA   
46.   Aussie on the tweed coast   
47.   Australian living overseas   
48.   Melbourne   
49.   Brisbane   
50.   Australia   
51.   Australian   
52.   Aussie   
53.   YES i'm from Sydney   
54.   Australian Citizen   
55.   Citizen, Sydney   
56.   New Zealand   
57.   Australian citizen, Melbourne   
58.   NZ   
59.   I'm an Australian working in Laos. My working hours mean I usually catch the commentary in the office. Originally from Newcastle region - c'mon Jets!   
60.   sydney - aust citizen   
61.   Sydney, AUS      
62.   Australia      
63.   In Australia   
64.   Australia - Viewing it at home in Australia   
65.   Aust citizen livin in Oz From MaLTA.
66.   Australian citzen   
67.   Newcastle, Australia   
68.   Brisbane, Australia   
69.   No   
70.   australian citizen   
71.   australian, in brisbane   
72.   Aus citizen   
73.   Aus citizen   
74.   Are you an australian citizen living in australia   
75.   Citizen, sydney   
76.   Australian citizen studying in the US.   
77.   Australian on the Gold Coast.   
78.   Australia   
79.   Aussie Armidale NSW   
80.   Aus Citizen   
81.   Born and living in Australia   
82.   Australian living overseas (china)

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2. Are you at home or do you typically view the commentary while you are out?

   

If neither, Where do you view the commentary from?

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1. Work. London -> Aus timezones etc.   
2.   at work   
3.   Work      
4.   Work office.



Edited by Victory>Heart: 31/1/2011 02:06:49 PM
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3.How did you find out about the 442 commentary?



Other (please specify)

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1. when i was searching for football website in australia   
2.   Forums   
3.   forum   
4.   Through the forum   
5.   forum   
6.   website   
7.   Other Websites   
8.   google   
9.   i was surfing on the internet   
10.   googled live scores for some match.   
11.   four four two mag   
12.   The 442 forum.
13.   been following 442 for a v long time now.very good. I recommend it to any one. so the world game site as well. all the info I want. well done   
14.   442 forumer   
15.   + forum chatz


Edited by Victory>Heart: 31/1/2011 02:10:29 PM
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4. Do you feel the 442 commentators interact with the audience enough?



If No, How can we interact with our audience better?

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1. From my brief experience, the commentary wasn't updated for 5 minutes, during which I saw on television a yellow card and a few awkward challenges on television.. I didn't think this was very satisfactory for a "minute by minute" updating service   
2.   When they warrant it - some d***heads on here though   
3.   that's not the purpose   
4.   I see that few of the user comments actually appear on screen. Perhaps there can be two panes - one for commentators, and one for users.   
5.   I'd like to see faster and more frequent updates. More description of play.   
6.   let more comments through   
7.   Bring in more well known footballing experts   
8.   Questions asked are always answered.General comments are often acknowledged in a friendly and appropriate way.

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5. Are you watching the game on TV while following our coverage?



If not, why do you watch the coverage online?

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1.   sometimes   
2.   At home we have Sky, in our flat at uni we don't. Hence the use of commentary without TV while at uni   
3.   I try to watch the commentary online. Work has taken to blocking flash-based interactive tools like CoverIT so I can no longer follow it. I now have to use the crappy A-League stats page or follow the matchday thread on 442.   
4.   Because it's cheaper than Fox.   
5.   I sometimes watch internet streams of the matches, but as I don't have fox, most of the time I watch the text commentary to update not just the score, but what has happened in the match.   
6.   Most of the time but not always.   
7.   No foxtel   
8.   If I don't have access to Foxtel and can't find a decent online stream   
9.   perfer this   
10.   No pay TV at home, so either go to the pub to watch or read online.   
11.   Coz its free, and i dont want all the crap that comes with foxtel and there's good quality streams
12.   I can't afford pay TV   
13.   No Foxtel and local club had to close at 4pm.   
14.   Because I can not access to Foxtel Tv   
15.   The only stream i could find was in japanese, so for the more in depth analysis. my japanese isn't great   
16.   do not have foxtel   
17.   Because my dad is against foxtel   
18.   No access to Foxtel   
19.   I don't have pay tv.   
20.   CCTV-5! Red China baby   
21.   I do not have Fox Sports and I want to find out about the game minute by minute and its the only site that I know that does so.   
22.   no access to foxtel   
23.   i dont watch because i dont have a tv   
24.   Because I don't have Fox Sports, I don't want to waste my data limit on live streams, and this is the best live Australian soccer text commentary on the Internet.   
25.   because it is nice to watch rather than leaving the computer when i am playing games.   
26.   Because its not on TV here   
27.   Don't have Foxtel access   
28.   i dont have foxtel   
29.   No   
30.   No FTA coverage   
31.   dont have foxtel,   
32.   Don't have fox (have been streaming asian cup games fwiw). It's just something to check in on regularly while i'm working,   
33.   I do not have Austar   
34.   Use the coverage in phone when unable to make it home to watch   
35.   Sometimes. (watching on internet as I dont have foxtel) Even when I watch matches I still like to have the commentary on as I prefer what they have to say to the fox experts.

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6. Do you use the commentary to keep up to date with the matches or to talk about the match with fellow fans?



If neither, Why do you use the commentary?

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1.   to see who won the games   
2.   like to see the opinions of others and from the media commentators eg. craig foster twitter posts appear in the commentary and the rest of the opinions and comments   
3.   pre-match discussion

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7. Is there anything that the commentators can do to improve the quality of commentary?

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1.   they can ask help from EPL commentators because they are little child on TV   
2.   I wasn't even too sure if I could interact with fellow watchers as there were not many people talking besides the commentator every few minutes.. perhaps just living up to the "live minute by minute" concept would be good   
3.   I think the quality is excellent, on par with the BBC. Big call, but I'll back it. I think, if anything, a little more humour could be injected - funny goings on in the crowds, anecdotes, etc - though these come through from the fans anyway.   
4.   Have less twitter feeds.   
5.   Maybe buy a Thersaurus   
6.   More descriptions and talk about events, universal formatting   
7.   More polls   
8.   No   
9.   Shorter sentences make for quicker updates. Can always press enter halfway through typing a sentence and then finish it while we all read the first part.   
10.   call the game rather than subjective banter   
11.   Nah its pretty good.   
12.   It is quite good now.   
13.   No its being all good   
14.   Faster, more frequent commentary. You need a play by play, not just notifications of major occurances. I'd suggest doing this with three commentators. One play by play describer, one proper commentator and one analyst.   
15.   No, it is wonderful   
16.   Let more comments through   
17.   No   
18.   More posts i guess   
19.   love it, don't change   
20.   Ben Clark should at least TRY and act less biased against Sydney. He annoys me. The quality is fine, otherwise.   
21.   Generally very happy , more regular comment would be nice but overall am happy with 442   
22.   -   
23.   Stream the game?   
24.   Maybe one from each side or something.   
25.   more game detail   
26.   Treat us like we are not watching the game, so be specific in comments, and paint a picture for us. Focus on the comments from people who do not have the privilege of seeing the game on TV   
27.   No   .
28.   more stats   
29.   not that i can think of.   
30.   Add some stats to the commentary   
31.   nope its all good, would just be nice to scroll through the commentary   
32.   No, I think you're all doing a great job.   
33.   I think it's fine, but I realize I'm aided by the sights/sounds of the game I'm simulateously observing. I can't truly grasp what it's like to rely on the text commentary only, but I imagine it is sufficiently informative, regular and prompt.   
34.   very informative   
35.   Not really, it's good!   
36.   Commentary has been of a supremely high standard considering that the commentators regulate twitter feeds and comments while commentating. Possibly a second person working on a game could provide support in these areas and allow more in-depth coverage. Manpower permitting obviously   
37.   No I think the commentary is pretty spot on.   
38.   Sometimes the commentary needs to have more personal imput, actually talking about the teams and things that they are doing good/bad rather than just kick by kick updates   Sat,
39.   Commentators are excellent. SOME of the twitter comments are good but not all of it. ( I sometimes think we are getting half of a private conversation that Kevin is having with someone else)

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8. We cover multiple events. Which matches are you more likely to visit FourFourTwo's commentary?


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9. We are thinking of starting to cover selected Premier League matches. If we were to start would you use the commentary?


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10. As this service is relatively new we welcome as much feedback as possible. Do you have any other comments or general suggestions for us to improve our coverage?. If not we thank you for taking the time to take the survey and hope you continue to use our service each and every week. Thanks!

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1.   You guys are doing a great job, however I can recommend you have a look at the sportal version for their premier league matches as they are the gold standard in my opinion.   
2.   It is pretty good when I do use it. Cheers guys, TWI.   
3.   I'm wondering if it's an army of volunteers doing this? Would like to know more about the people behind the service if possible. E-mail at ******@******.com.   
4.   I'm very happy with the service. I'd rank it as one of the best on the net. Both commentators and viewers alike have a great understanding of the game, and it makes reading the commentary easier and more fun. Thankyou to whoever thought of this, may it continue long into the future.   
5.   I wouldn't do EPL. The BBC text is where I will still go for the EPL.
Otherwise it is pretty good as it is. great work guys!   S
6.   No so far so good.   
7.   Great job. Awesome to use.   
8.   Loving the twitter posts. More of them would be cool.   
9.   try to get an expert maybe   
10.   Great job guys and keep up the good work, even if it seems thankless at times.   S
11.   Don't go the English route - got nothing to do with Australian football and becomes competition for our own progress. Please, I beg of you. No sucking on the English t*t!!   
12.   Socceroos coverage is terrible for a national team.
EPL is over rated, I follow Bundesliga.   
13.   nope.   
14.   I watch the visual on TV, but like to have the 442 commentary running in parallel. Like the input of fans and commentators. I've entered comments but my comments rarely appear, which suggests that few user comments are getting through.   
15.   You do the job well. Thank you   
16.   Some more statistic to give us a better picture of whats going on would be good.   
17.   Just what I've said earlier. Cheers for the service either way.   
18.   nope   
19.   reply feature   
20.   its great, keep it up   
21.   Doing great with the text coverage, maybe if you could add in more a-league transfer rumours and things like that, but doing great as it is, keep up the fantastic work!   
22.   This is a great service, thanks very much for starting and continuing with it.   
23.   The only problem with covering premier league matches is the time the games are played (usually airing in australia in the early hours of the morning), not sure how many people will be up all the time following   
24.   Keep up the good work, this isn't a problem with the commentators, more a problem with the design of the commentary window. I'd use it more if it was a pop-out window. As a sub-window in Google Chrome you have to scroll to the right to see the internal scroll. There's too many windows in windows and they don't fit each other properly.   
25.   keep it up, good effort
26.   keep the good work going four four two, keeping on trying to make this site better   
27.   Love The Coverage   
28.   The interface is clunky, too many scroll bars and sometimes you need to move one scroll bar to see another. Find a new software provider!   
29.   Really enjoying the coverage. Keep it up!   
30.   thanks for doing it   
31.   Thanks for providing it. As you'd be aware, without pay TV it is very difficult to find live coverage of the domestic league (unless one knows where to look, of course). Every bit helps.   
32.   Awesome work!   
33.   not sure if fotos can be included as well but that mite be an idea to give a real feeling of the game. keep up the good wrok   
34.   You guys do a better job than Fox Sports   
35.   Premier League would be fantastic!!   
36.   kutgw eh!   
37.   No point in doing premierleauge, BBC sport is fantastic for that. Spend the time and resources on our local game.   
38.   Thanks. The commentary is probably my favoruite feature of the website. While having the commentary on I will read the articles. Which means that when on other websites I dont read many articles as I have already read it on 442.

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So there it is.

What are your opinions on it?
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28. The interface is clunky, too many scroll bars and sometimes you need to move one scroll bar to see another. Find a new software provider

I think this is a good point, it's a nightmare trying to get all those scrolls right.
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28. The interface is clunky, too many scroll bars and sometimes you need to move one scroll bar to see another. Find a new software provider

I think this is a good point, it's a nightmare trying to get all those scrolls right.


Yeah, I agree with this.

Good work with the Survey V>H, the feedback we got is great. Had to laugh we got more responses than we usually get viewers for matches:p

I'll PM KA, get him to have a look at the feedback, but I think it shows that we're doing a good job and people appreciate that. From a quick glance, it looks like most of the feedback was incredibly positive.
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Funky Munky wrote:


Good work with the Survey V>H, the feedback we got is great. Had to laugh we got more responses than we usually get viewers for matches:p


the way V>H spammed the suvey in the aus game, you would hope you get some good responses.

nice work though mate.
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zimbos_05 wrote:
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Good work with the Survey V>H, the feedback we got is great. Had to laugh we got more responses than we usually get viewers for matches:p


the way V>H spammed the suvey in the aus game, you would hope you get some good responses.

nice work though mate.


Admit it Zimbos, It was worth it :p
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Victory>Heart wrote:
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Good work with the Survey V>H, the feedback we got is great. Had to laugh we got more responses than we usually get viewers for matches:p


the way V>H spammed the suvey in the aus game, you would hope you get some good responses.

nice work though mate.


Admit it Zimbos, It was worth it :p


for a while, but after that some of the comments were like,

"if only there is a survey i could do"

"id love to fill out your survey, but im doing one right now"

was good, just an observation, we live and learn.
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zimbos_05 wrote:
Victory>Heart wrote:
zimbos_05 wrote:
Funky Munky wrote:


Good work with the Survey V>H, the feedback we got is great. Had to laugh we got more responses than we usually get viewers for matches:p


the way V>H spammed the suvey in the aus game, you would hope you get some good responses.

nice work though mate.


Admit it Zimbos, It was worth it :p


for a while, but after that some of the comments were like,

"if only there is a survey i could do"

"id love to fill out your survey, but im doing one right now"

was good, just an observation, we live and learn.


:lol:

Its over and the end product was some great feedback
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lol at the Sydney Bias comment.

Great feedback otherwise - obviously we have a few people fooled that we're pros 8)
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reckon we should get a mention on the pod to increase viewership because there'd be people who listen to the pod but don't check the website everyday
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FM, Newcastle Vs Sydney I am available for.
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can't commit to anything on sunday or wednesday cause i'll probably be out watching it... dunno yet about friday saturday too
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I'm all good for the Perth match Sunday, and maybe the match next Thursday but I'll let you know closer to the day.
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Unavailable Wednesday and Thurs.
Free for the weekend's matches though.
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I will be able to make my debut for the Gold Coast v Central Coast match on Wednesday night.

Edited by busbybabe: 1/2/2011 06:21:18 PM
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fine for early sunday and early wednesday game.
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Who is scheduled to do tomorrow's matches?
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