It's 'Peligro States The Obvious Week' actually :o

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Lamb Of God better than Pantera :lol: shit thats the funniest thing i have ever read. Let me guess you also think linkin park is metal or limp bizkit is metal isnt it :lol: . Shut up you clown. Real metal is meshuggah, Opeth, Arch Enemy, Slayer, Strapping Young Lad are metal not Lamb Of God

Wow. Odd kid. I'll give you Arch Enemy, Opeth and Slayer are quality. So its weird that you don't appreciate quality metal when you hear it.

Lamb Of God V Pantera is a pretty irrelevant one IMO. Modern day metal is different to classic thrash, so it would be like comparing Anthrax and Parkway. Totally different styles.

Metal has changed random, and always is, you should be able to accept that.

Any one here go to the Bronx gig last night?

It was a fucking unreal gig they played all old stuff apart from two new songs and one cover best gig of the year it was.

How many gigs have you even been to this year? I imagine it was good, as they are a great band, but gig of the year I am very doubtful. There was this small band at this tiny little concert called Rage Against The Machine that would take that honour.

:lol:!!! That's fucking hillarious!!!!!! Meshuggah, 'real metal'?? :lol: This is the band taht used a drum machine for one of their albums when they had an actual drummer!! lmfao. Know your damn topic matter. #-o Linkin park are rapcore. And Limp bizkit are just shit on so many levels. Their best song is a poor cover of an awesome song.

Meshuggah are a great band. And who gives a crap if they used a drum program? Particularly when their drummer actually created the program they used. The guy can play the songs live so it matters little IMO. And isn't a bit rich, a NIN fan dissing a band for recording with a Drum Machine? Meshuggah are Metal. Simple.

But so are Lamb Of God, random-hero. You named some awesome bands, but Lamb Of God are right up there with them. Quite easily.

Speaking of NIN, fucking lol at them chucking a hissy fit because they didn't have enough power for their light show. Yes, they got screwed over, and deserved to be pissed, but its called being a fucking man, hardening the fuck up and dealing with it.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=NUSIC5nl3Vg&feature=channel

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the drummer didn't create ableton live dude. He just provided the drum samples. And the drummer struggles in some tracks to keep up the pace.

What the fuck. Again, know your fucking topic matter. NIN don't use a drum machine. Fucking [size=9]Josh Freese[/size] was/is their drummer. And he's one of the best drummers going.

I think if you spend hours choreographing and designing a fucking light show and then it didn't work, you'd be more than a little annoyed too.

Discipline - NIN.
Meltdown - Atrium Caceri.

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Which would be great. Except they used 'Drumkit From Hell' a drum program created by the Meshuggah drummer, in which he used his actual kit to provide the samples.



Yep, and he started working with NIN, when they were touring in support of With Teeth. The first album Reznor created using an actual drummer. Which was Dave Grohl at the time.



Yeah, I would be. But I'd also know the fans have payed money (Big money, because it was a festival, not just a NIN show) and would give them the best show I could. Not get a minute into the song, then throw my toys out of the pram (or into the stage as the case may be.)

Ill call my first son Method Man. :lol: And my second son Ghostface Killah.

Tomas Haake: Drummer extrodinaire, pro-tools sampler and IT programmer, so good he even creates his own software#-o
uh...no.

:-S The drums on broken were played by Chris Vrenna and Martin Aktins. Stephen Perkins drummed on The Downwards Spiral. Bill Rieflin did a couple of tracks on The Fragile, but most of that album was indeed programmed. As you know, Josh Freese and Dave Grohl did With Teeth and it's brilliant, Freese also did Year Zero and The Slip. And the most awesome effort for a drum kid was Brian Viglione on Ghosts, where the kit included a 50-gallon trash can, a pair of water cooler jugs, and a cookie tray with a chain across it. That album is just awe inspiring.

Yeah, "the show must go on"...poor form by both parties really. Are tickets still available for Soundwave?? BEcause I haven't heard anythign about a NIN side-show.

Edited by afromanGT: 14/12/2008 04:38:08 PM

Ticket's are still available for every state im pretty sure.
Soundwave's won't be announced for a while maybe late January.
NIN are playing 1 hour 40 minutes in Sydney and I think its the same for most states.
I don't really like them though. I'm going for other bands

NIN are meant to be a monumental experience in a live show though, so I'd like to see it, as a NIN fan, music fan and audio engineer, it's something that I feel necessitates seeing at some point.

http://www.toontrack.com/ezx.asp
Scroll down to 'Drumkit From Hell'
"The sounds for the Drumkit From Hell EZX® were played by Tomas Haake at Dug Out Studios, Uppsala, Sweden.
The MIDI for the Drumkit From Hell EZX® was programmed and played by Fredrik Thordendal and Tomas Haake of Meshuggah"


Interesting, I distinctly remember reading an article with Trent Reznor in Rolling Stone where he described working with Dave Grohl as an experience, because it was the first time he'd worked with a real drummer for an entire album.
From the NIN website:
Pretty Hate Machine: Trent Reznor used studio "down time" to record and develop his own music. Playing most of the keyboards, drum machines, guitars, and samplers himself, he recorded a demo, unofficially titled Purest Feeling.

Broken: Yes, those 2 did drum on it, but only for two songs. "Extra real drums on 2 and 6: Martin Atkins, Chris Vrenna "

Downwards Spiral: Similar to above, he did play drums, but most of his parts were then edited into samples, by reznor.

That just means they decided how they wanted it to work. Toontrack EZX do all their own programming. They had an input, but they didn't actually do the programming themselves.
And that doesn't change the fact that they used samples for the catch 33 album when they had a drummer there and available.

The Broken album he actually did the the rest of the drums himself and processed them. It was the first time 'beat detective' was ever used IIRC. Which is like a durm processor in ProTools. Shit that was a long time ago now...must have been the second ever version of protools just about :lol:

And why is that a problem? They've recorded several albums with a drummer. Because they use a drum machine on one makes shit all difference. The band have always stated that the album was an experiment, just trying something different. How many bands do you know that have an album that is just one track, broken into 'Songs'.

I think it makes every difference. I'm paying for an album for a band to have put in some kind of effort and I expect a certain replication of sound, not for a computer to belch out some instructions to a MIDI.
Bands with one track broken into 'songs'??...Celldweller, Primordial, Agorophobic Nosebleed, Nine Inch Nails just to name a few off the top of my head. Cult OF Luna do something like that too I hear.

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Again, I find that ironic considering you're a NIN fan. And to say the band hasn't put in any effort is a load of crap. They went through all the processes that a band would on any other album. I'm fairly sure Drumkit from Hell was released just before they started on that album, so it wouldn't surprise me if the drummer decided to use it for a bit of fun.

Well given that it's entirely composed by Trent Reznor and the band's make-up is always changing...
When you've got a drummer at your disposal and you decide to use a computer, I find that a little bit poor really.

But why? And it's not like they've done it multiple times. It was a one off event, for an album they were just messing around on. Certainly doesn't downgrade the band at all in my eyes.

They did it on Catch thirty-three and obZen. It wasn't just a one-off.

Really? Because this interview here explains how the band returned to normal drumming on the new album (ObZen), and explains why they used the drum machine.

"Meshuggah later went on to use this software instrument to program all the drum tracks for their album Catch Thirty-Three, and the re-release of their album Nothing, using no live recorded drums by Haake. obZen also used the software as an auxiliary sound source as Haake plays."