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Paul lonton developing talented indigenous kids.

god help us.

Most hopeless development coach in Queensland history.

There's some truth in that.



Nah.

He may be a bit of a wet-behind-the-ears doofus but he is essentially harmless.

Speaking of D, I wonder he's busy doing a bit of reverse engineering of the cayenne vee bee thingy, in an effort to statistically claim that the Joeys were desperately unlucky?

I'll keep a watch on this space. :lol:

:lol: It also helps you have stopped going in with both feet off the ground and studs showing :lol: Other than when Muscat-like you have the red mist descend because of Decentric's existence!

:d

My 442 aim is to educate those who are football challenged.

I am reasonably happy with the progress that's currently being made.

Hey Judy, you forgot to include in your post "you're shit, your team is shit, your coaching system is shit, and the FFA are shit. Things were better in my day."

Because, you know, all you do is troll rather than have an opinion... ;)

All credit to you.

Your ideology sits well with me.

Broadly, you should set your U10's out as forwards, midfield and defenders, with 'one instruction' individual roles.

Anything else is a distraction and classic "majoring in the minor shit".

The only time I use a structure for my U10 team is during kick-offs (I let the kids sort it amongst themselves and encourage them to rotate) or during set pieces i.e. corner kicks.

I use a simple 'space in attack'/'all mark in defence' ideology to teach co-operative attack and defence when in play.

I don't see the point of forcing children into a shape unnecessarily and unnaturally ..it is counter productive in their development as a player.

That being said these are not Representative players..they are competitive though. They will probably start using a set formation next season. But by that stage, using my current approach, children will naturally develop into a certain position they feel comfortable in.

This method also allows kids to learn by experience. "Why did the other team score those goals" .. no it was not because the 3 kids I put as defenders stuffed up, it was because the whole team did not do their job. Marking up 1 on 1 in defense and creating situations where we have more players than the other team in an area.

Edited by icoulddoitbetter: 29/6/2011 05:38:49 PM

Edited by icoulddoitbetter: 29/6/2011 05:42:35 PM

I have never seen uncompetitive game in ssf, the only non competitive game was in the u17 world cup.

'leagues' are ok as long as the results arent published and teams can play similar ability teams

great ideas but it is not the kids that have a problem.

as we now have the small sided games/football, as a progression up the field sizes there should be a progression up to a competive level. In Nepean (Penrith NSW) competition starts at U10, and I have followed the U10s tables for the couple of year' prior. It is my opinion that grading can never be right, as we talking about kids for which we have no prior years games to compare history. It also generaly the lower grades that have obvious teams that dont belong.

I would suggest that U10 & U11s could play under a swiss pairing system. This way it means that over the year the teams would sort themselves out and then teams would have more close games. This would mean that chances are your team can't win the comp and can concentrate on improving your team.

Then as the ages progres you can have the better teams playing regular comp and the lower grades remaining in the swiss pairing system.

This gives kids a step between non competitive and traditional competitive.

Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree.

IMO you are wrong
We have no table in the outdoor winter comp and unfortunately a table in the summer futsal comp.
No table is important to creativity.
We can not control the actions of over the top coaches or parents but not having a table seems to help.

That's up to the coaches to teach creativity and technique and not just strength and booting it to the tall, fast kid. You can easily do that with a league table and a little trophy at season's end.

Australia dominated cricket for 15 years or so against England or so because of the fact that we do teach kids to win, not just "have a jolly good time, won't you". It's quite possible to do both and IMHO anyone who says otherwise is as bad as the "kick it long to Jimmy" coaches themselves.

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I'd disagree. All junior sports I ever played at a school or club level had league tables. It gives you a sense of competitiveness and allows you to measure against the opposition. Everyone likes a bit of friendly competition - it's the ugly kids, coaches, and parents that make it a liability.


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nothing like adding the fear factor for 3 points at u7 to stifle creatvity. England only just got rid of leagues for u7/8 thanks to the effort of one coach in cirencester.

In the lineker post mortum of the 2010 world cup he interviewed the special one
In England, you teach your kids how to win. In Portugal and Spain they teach their kids how to play” Jose Mourinho

I'd disagree. All junior sports I ever played at a school or club level had league tables. It gives you a sense of competitiveness and allows you to measure against the opposition. Everyone likes a bit of friendly competition - it's the ugly kids, coaches, and parents that make it a liability.




This. I remember one of my high school coaches would give us a pep talk, some quick instructions before the match, then sit down and have a fag and open his thermos whilst we ran around like headless chooks.

Isn't it ironic, dontcha think.

Derailed a half decent thread.

Three pips, tiger.

True to form. Added nothing of value AGAIN.

Thought I was hardly worth it? Obviously 'worth it' enough to post more inane rambling nonsense.

Peanut!

Catatonic yawn.

Get over yaself, mate.

True to form. Added nothing of value.

New dawn.

You're hardly worth it.

I'm new to this section of the forum and I'm enjoying it immensely except for the mindless trolling that seems to be occurring between 2 or 3 posters against 1 particular bloke over a number of threads. As a rule of thumb if your post doesn't add any value to the thread how about you keep it to yourself?

Disagreements about certain points, outright rebuttals, drawn out analysis all good but simply saying "that's shit" or "you're dreaming" or "what would you know" adds nothing to the conversation.

The above quoted post is a perfect example but I could've easily selected dozens more.

I've read about 200 of you comments Judy Free and out of those you could count on 1 hand the number of times you've contributed positively and imparted some knowledge to the topic at hand. It's obvious you have an axe to grind against some posters. Just start up a big fat website that says I don't like X, Y, Z and be done with it.

You're driving the rest of us nuts.

Say your piece, disagree with it all you like but at least explain why you are disagreeing so we can then make a judgement about which of you blokes are talking out of your arses and which of you are just shit-stirring wankers.

Flame away. (I've got big shoulders.)

Edited by munrubenmuz: 27/6/2011 02:43:58 PM

I've posted this on another thread but I'll copy it here as the original poster has asked for coaches experiences at this level and it seems this may be the appropriate thread.

I coach under 8's and 10's and have found the 10's a lot of fun now that they are playing "positions" and "strategy" albeit on a small scale.

I tend to set my under 10's up (only 9 on the field) as a 1-3-3-2 against opposition that are equal to us (or our skill level) and 1-1-3-2-1 against some of the better teams. The one at the back being a sweeper and not marking which means they play a lone striker. I've only adopted this formation twice this season after copping a 9-nil shellacking off one of the better sides in Brisbane. I've told my boys I don't mind them losing as long as we're competitive. That game wasn't competitive.

The week after we adopted the sweeper formation and only went down 2-nil to another good side. The advantage I've found with playing the 2 formations is that if you want to revert to only 3 at the back with no sweeper you simply move the "spine" forward one position. So your central midfielder goes forward to make up 2 at the front and your sweeper moves into centre defence. Alternatively you can just throw your sweeper up front and it reverts to 1-3-3-2 because, lets face it, every 9 year old wants to score goals and thinks they're Lionel Messi.

I may or may not be on the right track but I tell my lads to compress (move up the park) when they have the ball to give them less space and to spread out when we've got it for the converse reasons. (This is simplified of course but remember they are only 9 years old.)

Edited by munrubenmuz: 27/6/2011 02:19:54 PM

the 2 midfielders would become attacking in a 433 so i would go to a point backwards midfield , the centre back in the 3 can become dm or cb at 11 aside, the rest is self explanotory.

[quote=FMVS]3-2-3 is by far the best

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LOL :oops: :oops: :oops:

3-2-3 is by far the best

Roles change when you have the ball compared to when you don't have the ball.

Gk - 1/3/4

back 3 = 5/4 - 3/4 - 3/2

Mid 2 = 6 - 8

Front 3 = 7- 9/10 - 11

Thats how I describe the roles.

GK becomes a CB once he makes the first pass from a GK.

League tables are totally unnecessary for juniors.

At rep level for state championships, they are needed, but that is all.

The teaching and learning process does not stop when the ref blows his whistle at match kickoff. Match day guidance not only reinforces good habbits but accelerates the learning process. You don't want to give up this opportunity, krones.

I think the prob with 99% of junior coaches (even some knowledgeable ones) at Sat morning kickoff, their blood pressure rises, they ball watch, and become completely incapable of imparting anything of genuine assistance to the kids.

Guidance comes on the training pitch i would not let a kid get skinned but i would never rob him of his right to learn for himself or the opportunity to strive for better from himself.

I would much rather give the opponent more players.
1 it allows me to, maintain the integrity of my style of play
2 it allows me to hone the skills of my players
3 it places my players under major pressure in less space.

All of this I do on the training field when I wish to expose my player’s weaker points.
Increase pressure and reduce space.

Good day.

Have we met before on the Science of Football?

The 6 pass sequence with each line counting sounds complex.

Nevertheless, the keeper with no gloves and just feet is an excellent idea and easy to do. Why didn't I think of it?
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