Tony was the SASI coach and now AIS coach, Aurelio went from AUFC coach to Olyroos Coach & Socceroos assistant. Current AUFC youth coach is Michael Valkanis. Tony has actually gotten praise for the way he develops youth players and it was partly through his work with them that a fair number of SA boys have ended up with the AIS over the last few years.

True.

Aurelio is the current Olyroos and assistant senior coach.

Tony was the AU youth coach and now AIS coach. Is that right, General?

A number of foundation A League players claim there is suddenly a lot of quality of young talent coming through the senior A League teams ATM. They haven't suggested why that is. The new FFA NC? They have said there is much more depth in A League squads. Senior pros are being pushed to hold onto places.

It is important to differentiate between the methodology of the FFA National Curriculum, which I think is essentially good, and the selection of prospective elite players through some of their suspect staff/state coaches, who haven't changed since 2000.


Aussiesrus, I'm sure you'd agree that a first three placing at the last World Cup was a creditable achievement? Spain, Holland and Germany all borrowed heavily on Dutch methodology.

My theory is that if Han Berger appraised ASA and Tony Basha's training methods, he would be impressed. There would be a vested interest going down the coaching hierarchy of FFA, where some FFA coaching stakeholders would use every ploy possible to dissuade Berger observing any successful private academy. I would imagine some would know Tony Basha and be envious of his success. Hence, he would be a real threat to a number of current coaches in FFA.

For argument's sake, if Tony Basha is just an average coach, ASA has some excellent scouting/agent contacts overseas. Even then, something must be going well at ASA for two EPL clubs to contract ASA players.
I've had one PM telling me that FFA would absolutely hate our FFE because we are beyond FFA's control.






Edited by Decentric: 23/2/2012 06:10:38 PM

My thoughts are that Tony Vidmar and Aurelio Vidmar are different people, what are your thoughts on that?

In terms of results he has the runs on the board with the ACL result. Then again I'm not sure how much of that can be attributable to Phil Stubbins.


Berger says that al results below senior level should be seen in the context of development. I perceive Olympic qualification differently from what I did years ago. If we keep trying to play in a certain style, failure to qualify for a a few tournaments in the short term is a price to pay, if we play a more technical style conducive to winning international games in the long term.

Any country will have peaks and troughs in the talent pool. ATM we may have played against better Asian teams in our group for the Olympics.

These football issues are separate from FFA trying to dictate to constituents and their selection of players for elite programmes, which may be to subjective and smack of cronyism and nepotism.

When I think about it, the KNVB training I had was always imparted accompanied by the phrase that this is not the only way to play football. Every coach has to make their own decisions. Then again it was in the context of Holland playing a certain style for a few decades. The KNVB training relied on coaches being intelligent, and wasn't prescriptive. It should have provided more specific training drills IMO.

The way FFA are using the NC as being prescriptive is shocking in some parts of the country and counterproductive.

What is your opinion on Vidmar's role now?

From what I can see the guy has great credentials but is really struggling as a coach and basically has no results and a big fail with the Olyroos and is now being appointed senior coach at the AIS. Adelaide's youth side is crap. In a nutshell apart from kissing Han Bergers butt what results does he have to show that he earns his position?

It's looking to me simply that Vidmar is Bergers muppet and is being stiffled by the Berger rubbish system. Every team male and female has now failed to qualify for the Olympics. Results are at their lowest in years. Are we to expect this continued garbage for the next ten years until someone wakes up and sacks the system?

Your thoughts...


Edited by Aussiesrus: 23/2/2012 10:58:42 AM

As a West Aussie I've only heard good things about Alistair's footy knowledge. Best of luck to them.

As a South Aussie I have heard nothing but good things about Tony and I also know that Alistair was involved in devising Tony's work with SASI.

So does that mean Versajin is equal to two Aussie Coaches and one lower ranked Dutch Coach?

Jokes aside, about time Edwards took up a coaching role for too long his has been like a Uni Professor knows all the theory but never been out in the real world.

Vidmar is interesting, my reports from the last U14 Nationals was that South Australia played with 10 men behind the ball using the Korean tactics devised by Park Da-Bus. So will be interesting to see how his teams play.

Former Socceroos to find new blood
Posted February 14, 2012 19:58:24

Former Socceroos Tony Vidmar and Alistair Edwards have been charged with the task of unearthing and developing Australian football's next generation under a restructure announced on Tuesday.

Football Federation Australia appointed Vidmar as senior coach of the Australian Institute of Sport (AIS) and Edwards as Joeys coach for this year's under-16s Asian Cup and the 2013 under-17s FIFA World Cup.

FFA also appointed Queensland technical director Peter de Roo as technical manager of the AIS football program.

The AIS and Joeys coaching roles were previously combined and held by Dutchman Jan Versleijen.

But FFA technical director Han Berger said splitting them between Vidmar and Edwards would help make much-needed strides in spotting young Australian talent.

"I think we can still make a big step in recruitment and talent ID process," Berger said.

"But normally if you just have one or two coaches there, they simply do not have the time.

"So we think with the triangle of Peter de Roo, Tony Vidmar and Alistair Edwards we can make a substantial progression and improvements there."

Berger said Vidmar was a stand-out choice to replace Gary van Egmond as head AIS coach after impressing in his role with the South Australian Sports Institute since 2009.

Berger said the search continued for a new coach of the Young Socceroos while an assistant coach for the AIS program would also be appointed.

The Dutchman said the changes were part of a desire to build the AIS set-up into one of the world's best football development programs.

The announcement comes as Australia's under-23s side stares down the barrel of not qualifying for next year's London Games.

After three draws and a loss, the Olyroos have to win both their remaining matches (UAE away on February 22 and Iraq at home on March 14) and then hope either the UAE or Uzbekistan fail to register any more points in the group.

"Of course we're worried about that," Berger said.

"Although we're still not out of it, it's worrying and of course not going to the Olympics, that would deny a generation of young players a great experience and an opportunity to experience world level."

Ref: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-14/former-socceroos-to-find-new-blood/3830034

Arthur Papas keen eye for talent and would be good for one of these roles

I will find the link to the article, it wasn't a big part of it.

Here it is:
http://m.smh.com.au/sport/a-league/loan-rangers-sydney-stars-on-move-to-stay-fit-for-world-cup-qualifiers-20120130-1qpon.html


Edited by general ashnak: 31/1/2012 10:02:41 PM

So According to General Ashnak Tony Vidmar is the new AIS head coach. No link provided though.

I did earlier state that Tony was one of the favourites, but it seems like rumour at the moment.

Borders on racism.

Just how a bloke with next to zero experience can occupy such an important posi is unfathomable.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought they were splitting each of the coaching roles?

Berger will only trust his coorts

he has not only had some success but has managed to break the old boys circle.
I feel if he is left in queensland to continue what he has started we may be finally able to rid ourselves of the people who have held back our youth development.
Paul Lonton and co
In saying all that i actually agree with you chips. Definitely not for the AIS job.
now if football NSW could find someone as good as de roo you would be on the way to getting rid of your old boys club as well :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :oops: :oops: :oops: that would be you chips

I agree with you pretty much on this one Chips, there were some excellent names in that hat - specifically coaches who have experience & results whilst playing a technical variety of football. What is de Roos bringing that these other coaches aren't?

And, de roos CV includes what exactly?

Now, according to krones (very reliable and trusted source:lol: ), the bloke has had some moderate success in FNQ, after replacing a red kelpie.

Other than that his CV appears to be bare. Some odds and ends jobs working in low div dutch clubs where, surprise surprise, Baan and Berger both had an association (how about that?) but none of these jobs involved hands on coaching.

Quite happy to be proven wrong re this bloke's experience......go for it.

I have heard the same thing, not sure about his appointment though.

Decentric had a thread up yesterday about this with a link.
The link did not work for me, but Decentric wrote.
Peter De Roo to be Joeys and Young Socceroos coach.
I know You should never assume but i did, that it would mean De Roo would be the AIS head coach also.
I responded to the topic then came back later to find it was gone altogether.
Any ideas what happened there Moderators?

peter de roo is the best thing to happen to Queensland football.

I think paul lonton is a great candidate for coach.=d> =d> =d> =d> =d>

What! when did peter de roo become a candidate?

So If Decentric is correct Peter De Roo will be the new AIS, Joeys and young Socceroos coach.


Edited by spathi: 27/1/2012 05:35:35 PM

Not sure. I hear he's been doing some analysis for the Socceroos.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/melbourne-victory-sacks-durakovic/story-fn63e0vj-1226238099926

MELBOURNE Victory has sacked coach Mehmet Durakovic just a day before their home A-League clash with Newcastle Jets.

Former Socceroo Kevin Muscat has been appointed interim coach with former Perth Glory and Australian Institute of Sport coach Ron Smith his assistant.

Today i heard from another source that Tony Vidmar is another that has strong possibilities.

Pat McCann was the assistant technical director at Capital Football under the previous TD ( Ian Shaw ), not sure of his role these days under Royston Thomas but is still involved .

I feel that Milo would be a good appointment also as the.football.god. suggested. Not sure though if he wants the job, if he does he would have applied and Cockerrill would have reported it, NO?

I don't know, barely know the guy and I'm not saying he should get it but hes the only one who has been at NTC level for a significant period of time. Most of the others have only come in in the last 2-3 years. Not enough experience for me.


Not sure. I hear he's been doing some analysis for the Socceroos.


No. Don't know the set up and don't know him.

This article is from a while ago the 1st of november in fact,it has got a interesting perspective from Micheal Cockerill regarding the AIS post,some names have been put forward too, not so sure if some of these names are still linked for the post but its intriging to what would happen, wonder when the FFA are going to announce the likely winner???

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/football/local-coaches-to-ger-their-chance-as-oranje-obsession-ends-20111101-1mtek.html

Kenny Lowe deserves to be a smokey for the job, but I'd much prefer him to be taking up some kind of tech director role at Glory or Inglewood to oversee future young players.

And those who paid his wages at CCM thought otherwise.

Feel free to list players he developed in his two years as a youth coach.

Nice bloke, dullard of a coach (likewise bimbi).