Melbourne soccer team charged over flare that injured children


Melbourne soccer team charged over flare that injured children

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Farrand93 wrote:
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Comedy Gold wrote:
This is why I refuse to take my family to the dreaded Soccer because Soccer fans seem to be amazed by coloured smoke.

Grow up kids.


I don't want your inbred family at the game.



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I actually don't understand why you keep breathing?

It's starting to get ridiculous how much oxygen you are taking from this world.


Great insult. Real tough. Does it hurt to know that there are people like us 'ruining' the game. :)

PM if there are any issues otherwise pipe down. :-$

Edited by theselectfew: 28/3/2013 12:59:07 AM


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TheSelectFew wrote:
Comedy Gold wrote:
This is why I refuse to take my family to the dreaded Soccer because Soccer fans seem to be amazed by coloured smoke.

Grow up kids.


I don't want your inbred family at the game.



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I actually don't understand why you keep breathing?

It's starting to get ridiculous how much oxygen you are taking from this world.
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Comedy Gold wrote:
This is why I refuse to take my family to the dreaded Soccer because Soccer fans seem to be amazed by coloured smoke.

Grow up kids.


I don't want your inbred family at the game.




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This is why I refuse to take my family to the dreaded Soccer because Soccer fans seem to be amazed by coloured smoke.

Grow up kids.
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S.U.S. wrote:
what fines were dealt out on the weekend at the sydney derby?

The FFA fining the FFA. How does that work?


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what fines were dealt out on the weekend at the sydney derby?


Probably the standard 5k for each club.

Kinda pointless considering FFA own WSW & have paid shitloads of money to pay players at SFC so they can make the finals.



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S.U.S. wrote:
what fines were dealt out on the weekend at the sydney derby?


Probably the standard 5k for each club.

Kinda pointless considering FFA own WSW & have paid shitloads of money to pay players at SFC so they can make the finals.
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what fines were dealt out on the weekend at the sydney derby?
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Roar_Brisbane wrote:
Surely I'm not the only one who thinks this punishment is quite excessive.


The punishment is excessive. I've no issue with a fine, or a point deduction - I can even understand a game or two behind closed doors... But the requirement for ALL fans to complete a course before being allowed back in is outrageous.
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srbin22 wrote:
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If little girl no want to be hit in face by the flare she should no come to game, football is for ultras only


not sure if trolling or if you are a dead set spastic

A little of colum A, a little of B - adds up to mk. Dead set retarded flog.

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If little girl no want to be hit in face by the flare she should no come to game, football is for ultras only


not sure if trolling or if you are a dead set spastic


Not sure why you think I care what you think, girl should know better
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If little girl no want to be hit in face by the flare she should no come to game, football is for ultras only


not sure if trolling or if you are a dead set spastic
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If little girl no want to be hit in face by the flare she should no come to game, football is for ultras only
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Benjamin wrote:
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No you can't argue about the penalties when you take the risk, it's the law of the land.

However, if you take a step further and look into the merits of the law, this is a law designed for the purpose of maintaining safety and I don't think it is achieving that goal as evidenced by this recent affair.


Is your suggestion that having a ban on flares isn't working, so let's just allow them? Imagine how many we'd have if they were legal...

I don't think you get legislation mate. Think of it like this: we allow booze even though it's dangerous, but we set certain limits on it and its use. What about fireworks, you need a license to use them- they're not illegal. It's the same sort of principle, it's not about allowing a free-for-all, it's about allowing a part of the game to be a part of the game while having some degree of control over it.

SelectFew also makes a point, if I snuck a flare in I'd throw it to make sure I wouldn't get caught but that is where serious danger is caused.


The point is that you shouldn't be sneaking a flare in anyway. The argument that if it was legal you'd be more responsible is bizarre. It's like saying "If I was allowed to do 100 in this 50 zone, I would be able to watch the road rather than looking for cops."

TSF is right, it is a little irrelevant in the context. Ultimately though, you'd be surprised how often you'll find your second sentence to be true.

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Roar_Brisbane wrote:
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Surely I'm not the only one who thinks this punishment is quite excessive.


Evidently not by the posts previously made.

Haven't looked at all the other pages.


Don't bother. It's full of wank.


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TheSelectFew wrote:
Roar_Brisbane wrote:
Surely I'm not the only one who thinks this punishment is quite excessive.


Evidently not by the posts previously made.

Haven't looked at all the other pages.
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Roar_Brisbane wrote:
Surely I'm not the only one who thinks this punishment is quite excessive.


Evidently not by the posts previously made.


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Benjamin wrote:
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No you can't argue about the penalties when you take the risk, it's the law of the land.

However, if you take a step further and look into the merits of the law, this is a law designed for the purpose of maintaining safety and I don't think it is achieving that goal as evidenced by this recent affair.


Is your suggestion that having a ban on flares isn't working, so let's just allow them? Imagine how many we'd have if they were legal...

I don't think you get legislation mate. Think of it like this: we allow booze even though it's dangerous, but we set certain limits on it and its use. What about fireworks, you need a license to use them- they're not illegal. It's the same sort of principle, it's not about allowing a free-for-all, it's about allowing a part of the game to be a part of the game while having some degree of control over it.

SelectFew also makes a point, if I snuck a flare in I'd throw it to make sure I wouldn't get caught but that is where serious danger is caused.


The point is that you shouldn't be sneaking a flare in anyway. The argument that if it was legal you'd be more responsible is bizarre. It's like saying "If I was allowed to do 100 in this 50 zone, I would be able to watch the road rather than looking for cops."


That argument is completely irrelevant to the context.


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Surely I'm not the only one who thinks this punishment is quite excessive.
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KenGooner_GCU wrote:
Benjamin wrote:
KenGooner_GCU wrote:
No you can't argue about the penalties when you take the risk, it's the law of the land.

However, if you take a step further and look into the merits of the law, this is a law designed for the purpose of maintaining safety and I don't think it is achieving that goal as evidenced by this recent affair.


Is your suggestion that having a ban on flares isn't working, so let's just allow them? Imagine how many we'd have if they were legal...

I don't think you get legislation mate. Think of it like this: we allow booze even though it's dangerous, but we set certain limits on it and its use. What about fireworks, you need a license to use them- they're not illegal. It's the same sort of principle, it's not about allowing a free-for-all, it's about allowing a part of the game to be a part of the game while having some degree of control over it.

SelectFew also makes a point, if I snuck a flare in I'd throw it to make sure I wouldn't get caught but that is where serious danger is caused.


The point is that you shouldn't be sneaking a flare in anyway. The argument that if it was legal you'd be more responsible is bizarre. It's like saying "If I was allowed to do 100 in this 50 zone, I would be able to watch the road rather than looking for cops."
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Benjamin wrote:
KenGooner_GCU wrote:
No you can't argue about the penalties when you take the risk, it's the law of the land.

However, if you take a step further and look into the merits of the law, this is a law designed for the purpose of maintaining safety and I don't think it is achieving that goal as evidenced by this recent affair.


Is your suggestion that having a ban on flares isn't working, so let's just allow them? Imagine how many we'd have if they were legal...

I don't think you get legislation mate. Think of it like this: we allow booze even though it's dangerous, but we set certain limits on it and its use. What about fireworks, you need a license to use them- they're not illegal. It's the same sort of principle, it's not about allowing a free-for-all, it's about allowing a part of the game to be a part of the game while having some degree of control over it.

SelectFew also makes a point, if I snuck a flare in I'd throw it to make sure I wouldn't get caught but that is where serious danger is caused.

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Joffa wrote:
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Simply put they stand by one another, not cast one another out


And that is why they are where they are now....


In the VPL? Damn. they will make the money up in a few years. The club is a proper community and host events for the Dandenong community as well as the Albanian community.




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TheSelectFew wrote:
Joffa wrote:
TheSelectFew wrote:
Simply put they stand by one another, not cast one another out


And that is why they are where they are now....


In the VPL? Damn. they will make the money up in a few years. The club is a proper community and host events for the Dandenong community as well as the Albanian community.



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Joffa wrote:
TheSelectFew wrote:
Simply put they stand by one another, not cast one another out


And that is why they are where they are now....


In the VPL? Damn. they will make the money up in a few years. The club is a proper community and host events for the Dandenong community as well as the Albanian community.


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TheSelectFew wrote:
Simply put they stand by one another, not cast one another out


And that is why they are where they are now....
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Benjamin wrote:
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No you can't argue about the penalties when you take the risk, it's the law of the land.

However, if you take a step further and look into the merits of the law, this is a law designed for the purpose of maintaining safety and I don't think it is achieving that goal as evidenced by this recent affair.


Is your suggestion that having a ban on flares isn't working, so let's just allow them? Imagine how many we'd have if they were legal...


If they were legal no one would be taking the risks to hide them and thereby stopping injuries (if they truly exist). People would hold them above their head.


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Simply put they stand by one another, not cast one another out to people like you, JoFFA, who believe everything they read. KUTGW. Best moderator. If only that meant something IRL. :lol:


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Benjamin wrote:
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Approx 1,000 fans, each needing to book in and take a 'course' that costs $25 each. I've no problem with the FFV throwing the book at badly behaved supporters - but to force 1,000 to do a course because 2-3 of them are complete pricks is outrageous.


Actually it's not. These people collectively are protecting the rocket flare lighters and therefore they deserve everything they get. I agree the punishment is onerous but quite clearly all and sundry are being told this type of behaviour is no longer acceptable and if clubs and their supporters are going to condone this type of behaviour then their clubs very existences threatened.

Next time, their fellow supporters won't be quite so accepting of illegal behaviour.


Have to take you to task on that one, Joffa. I'm quite happy to accept that a few supporters may know who fired off the flares - but I'm pretty confident that the vast majority of the supporters didn't. As the flare in question was fired off as Dandenong fans were in the process of celebrating the winning goal in the grand final, I think it's fare to say that few of them would have been scanning the crowd to identify potential threats...

As someone else on the thread pointed out - can you, as a Victory fan, identify those who have set off flares at Victory games, or name and shame those who ripped out the seats at Etihad? The same logic applies here.

Find those who were responsible for the illegal activity - and absolutely throw the book at them, but do not presume all the be guilty for the behavior of a few. The FFA/FFV by handing out these punishments are treating state league fans in the same way the mainstream media treats all football fans - they are thugs unless they can prove otherwise.


I stand by my initial comment and have requoted part of it for you. Of course most supporters weren't involved and I would hate for MV to be in the same predicament...

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I agree the punishment is onerous but quite clearly all and sundry are being told this type of behaviour is no longer acceptable and if clubs and their supporters are going to condone this type of behaviour then their clubs very existences threatened.



The point is yes everyone has to suffer and yes that is manifestly unfair on many honest law biding people, but never again will these idiots confuse themselves as true football supporters...how these flare lighters could allow this to happen to their club is a disgrace to them and a huge impost on the club and their supporters.
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Joffa wrote:
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Approx 1,000 fans, each needing to book in and take a 'course' that costs $25 each. I've no problem with the FFV throwing the book at badly behaved supporters - but to force 1,000 to do a course because 2-3 of them are complete pricks is outrageous.


Actually it's not. These people collectively are protecting the rocket flare lighters and therefore they deserve everything they get. I agree the punishment is onerous but quite clearly all and sundry are being told this type of behaviour is no longer acceptable and if clubs and their supporters are going to condone this type of behaviour then their clubs very existences threatened.

Next time, their fellow supporters won't be quite so accepting of illegal behaviour.


Have to take you to task on that one, Joffa. I'm quite happy to accept that a few supporters may know who fired off the flares - but I'm pretty confident that the vast majority of the supporters didn't. As the flare in question was fired off as Dandenong fans were in the process of celebrating the winning goal in the grand final, I think it's fare to say that few of them would have been scanning the crowd to identify potential threats...

As someone else on the thread pointed out - can you, as a Victory fan, identify those who have set off flares at Victory games, or name and shame those who ripped out the seats at Etihad? The same logic applies here.

Find those who were responsible for the illegal activity - and absolutely throw the book at them, but do not presume all the be guilty for the behavior of a few. The FFA/FFV by handing out these punishments are treating state league fans in the same way the mainstream media treats all football fans - they are thugs unless they can prove otherwise.
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KenGooner_GCU wrote:
No you can't argue about the penalties when you take the risk, it's the law of the land.

However, if you take a step further and look into the merits of the law, this is a law designed for the purpose of maintaining safety and I don't think it is achieving that goal as evidenced by this recent affair.


Is your suggestion that having a ban on flares isn't working, so let's just allow them? Imagine how many we'd have if they were legal...
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