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Gillard and Conroy and their attempts to control the news Quote:I would never tolerate a boss or politician telling me what editorial line to take on the radio. The only time I was told what to say was in the AWU Scandal on 2UE and I resigned over it. I think that people relate to people more than they relate to corporate brands. The Australian newspaper is today reporting this Stephen Conroy's pitch to control the news BY: DAVID CROWE, NATIONAL AFFAIRS EDITOR From:The Australian February 28, 2013 12:00AM CABINET ministers have canvassed a startling intervention in news and current affairs to prevent television networks from striking partnerships with other media companies in a sign of last-minute changes to reforms due within weeks. Communications Minister Stephen Conroy is understood to have put the proposals to Julia Gillard on Monday night in an attempt to stop the Ten Network from working with News Limited to produce a Sunday current affairs program. I don't think the danger in our media market come from proprietors. I think the dangers come from governments. Like here: Free-to-air TV reaps licence fee bonanza BY: DARREN DAVIDSON From:The Australian December 01, 2012 12:00AM THE commercial free-to-air television networks are set to benefit from a $100 million-plus licence fee rebate in a series of regulatory measures introduced by the Gillard government. and here http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2010/s2823983.htmand here http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/am-call-that-put-pms-old-news-on-front-page/story-fn59niix-1226128513341Find people you trust, names you know, question them, hold them accountable. And let's not tolerate crap like the bribes and bullying we're getting now instead of leadership from our government. http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2013/02/gillard-and-conroy-and-their-attempts-to-control-the-news.html
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notorganic wrote:afromanGT wrote:melbournefanatic wrote:Bigot is thrown around too easily these days. It's probably due to its prolificy from people making sweeping generalisations about things they have no understanding of. I agree. You really should stop using it. You're so desperate to get a shot off that you'll have a go at me for something you're equally as guilty off =d> =d> nice one.
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notorganic
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afromanGT wrote:melbournefanatic wrote:Bigot is thrown around too easily these days. It's probably due to its prolificy from people making sweeping generalisations about things they have no understanding of. I agree. You really should stop using it.
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afromanGT wrote:Quote:I completely agree. I'm all for the separation of church(es) and state. The problem politics will always face is politicians separating their own beliefs when making decisions. The other problem is that religious people vote... Of course. Good point. I think we get to see a lot of bigotry every time the homosexual union (marriage if you will) bill get thrown down, especially in the USA where each state has its own laws regarding the issue.
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Quote:I completely agree. I'm all for the separation of church(es) and state. The problem politics will always face is politicians separating their own beliefs when making decisions. The other problem is that religious people vote...
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BETHFC
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KenGooner_GCU wrote:Freedom of speech. Societies that allow them to multiply? What law are you going to put in place to stop people talking about radical law?
My point was in the earlier post that religious law is wanted by both sides, Islamists who want Sharia and Christian lobbys influenced by biblical laws. Who gave people the right to say that one side is orthodox and the other not? I think they're both nutters. Oh I understand now, thanks. I completely agree. I'm all for the separation of church(es) and state. The problem politics will always face is politicians separating their own beliefs when making decisions.
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Freedom of speech. Societies that allow them to multiply? What law are you going to put in place to stop people talking about radical law? My point was in the earlier post that religious law is wanted by both sides, Islamists who want Sharia and Christian lobbys influenced by biblical laws. Who gave people the right to say that one side is orthodox and the other not? I think they're both nutters.
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BETHFC
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KenGooner_GCU wrote:benelsmore wrote:KenGooner_GCU wrote:Didn't Ugandans pass a law condemning gays to death in the name of Christian law? Something I heard, don't quote me on that but the point still stands. People who are condemning Islamists for wanting Sharia law should also be condemning Christian lobby groups. The law cannot step in on either occasion. What it can do though, is impose the law it has already and that is why these whippings will be punished by law irrespective of religion.
What really ballsed up science in the Islamic world was this idea that scripture was sacred and therefore the printing press was "unislamic". I think you're right. Its a problem with RADICAL religionists and the societies that allow them to multiply. GENERAL NOTE: NOTE THE BOLD BEFORE SOMEONE HAS A CRY AT ME ATTACKING RELIGION AND CALLS ME A BIGOT :roll: Edited by benelsmore: 28/2/2013 04:36:05 PM Who gave you the right to determine what was orthodox in politics? What I have a problem with is vigilantes who don't care about the law we have in place now. I have no idea what you're on about there sorry Ken. Please can you explain further?
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melbournefanatic
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afromanGT wrote:melbournefanatic wrote:afromanGT wrote:melbournefanatic wrote:Bigot is thrown around too easily these days. It's probably due to its prolificy from people making sweeping generalisations about things they have no understanding of. They don't make sweeping generalisations about all people of one faith, they make generalisations about religious radicals that are immune to insult. Anyone who casts negative assertions about this minority is seen as casting aspersions at the majority. Thus called bigots. More often than not, the negative assertions cast over the radicals are carried on to the entire community. See the opinions of Polemides, TrueAnglo, et al. They're just assholes with an agenda. People like you or me who critise radicals are often called bigots by the majority though, put in the same pile as Polemides and TrueAnglo. Kind of reverse-bigotry if you will.
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afromanGT
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melbournefanatic wrote:afromanGT wrote:melbournefanatic wrote:Bigot is thrown around too easily these days. It's probably due to its prolificy from people making sweeping generalisations about things they have no understanding of. They don't make sweeping generalisations about all people of one faith, they make generalisations about religious radicals that are immune to insult. Anyone who casts negative assertions about this minority is seen as casting aspersions at the majority. Thus called bigots. More often than not, the negative assertions cast over the radicals are carried on to the entire community. See the opinions of Polemides, TrueAnglo, et al.
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melbournefanatic
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afromanGT wrote:melbournefanatic wrote:Bigot is thrown around too easily these days. It's probably due to its prolificy from people making sweeping generalisations about things they have no understanding of. They don't make sweeping generalisations about all people of one faith, they make generalisations about religious radicals that are immune to insult. Anyone who casts negative assertions about this minority is seen as casting aspersions at the majority. Thus called bigots.
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KenGooner_GCU
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benelsmore wrote:KenGooner_GCU wrote:Didn't Ugandans pass a law condemning gays to death in the name of Christian law? Something I heard, don't quote me on that but the point still stands. People who are condemning Islamists for wanting Sharia law should also be condemning Christian lobby groups. The law cannot step in on either occasion. What it can do though, is impose the law it has already and that is why these whippings will be punished by law irrespective of religion.
What really ballsed up science in the Islamic world was this idea that scripture was sacred and therefore the printing press was "unislamic". I think you're right. Its a problem with RADICAL religionists and the societies that allow them to multiply. GENERAL NOTE: NOTE THE BOLD BEFORE SOMEONE HAS A CRY AT ME ATTACKING RELIGION AND CALLS ME A BIGOT :roll: Edited by benelsmore: 28/2/2013 04:36:05 PM Who gave you the right to determine what was orthodox in politics? What I have a problem with is vigilantes who don't care about the law we have in place now.
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afromanGT
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melbournefanatic wrote:Bigot is thrown around too easily these days. It's probably due to its prolificy from people making sweeping generalisations about things they have no understanding of.
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Bigot is thrown around too easily these days.
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BETHFC
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KenGooner_GCU wrote:Didn't Ugandans pass a law condemning gays to death in the name of Christian law? Something I heard, don't quote me on that but the point still stands. People who are condemning Islamists for wanting Sharia law should also be condemning Christian lobby groups. The law cannot step in on either occasion. What it can do though, is impose the law it has already and that is why these whippings will be punished by law irrespective of religion.
What really ballsed up science in the Islamic world was this idea that scripture was sacred and therefore the printing press was "unislamic". I think you're right. Its a problem with RADICAL religionists and the societies that allow them to multiply. GENERAL NOTE: NOTE THE BOLD BEFORE SOMEONE HAS A CRY AT ME ATTACKING RELIGION AND CALLS ME A BIGOT :roll: Edited by benelsmore: 28/2/2013 04:36:05 PM
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Didn't Ugandans pass a law condemning gays to death in the name of Christian law? Something I heard, don't quote me on that but the point still stands. People who are condemning Islamists for wanting Sharia law should also be condemning Christian lobby groups. The law cannot step in on either occasion. What it can do though, is impose the law it has already and that is why these whippings will be punished by law irrespective of religion. What really ballsed up science in the Islamic world was this idea that scripture was sacred and therefore the printing press was "unislamic".
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afromanGT wrote:benelsmore wrote:afromanGT wrote:notorganic wrote:I see this will now be the anti-islam thread. FTFY Can the mods lock it, lest this whole website be portrayed as complete bigots? I love this post. This is why islamaphobia is the way it is. Remember kids, it's not bigotry if muslims are involved. Then it's totally correct and deserved. What are you smoking? I think the use of the word bigotry is over-zealous.
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benelsmore wrote:afromanGT wrote:notorganic wrote:I see this will now be the anti-islam thread. FTFY Can the mods lock it, lest this whole website be portrayed as complete bigots? I love this post. This is why islamaphobia is the way it is. Remember kids, it's not bigotry if muslims are involved. Then it's totally correct and deserved.
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afromanGT wrote:notorganic wrote:I see this will now be the anti-islam thread. FTFY Can the mods lock it, lest this whole website be portrayed as complete bigots? I love this post. This is why islamaphobia is the way it is.
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afromanGT wrote:notorganic wrote:I see this will now be the anti-islam thread. FTFY Can the mods lock it, lest this whole website be portrayed as complete bigots? How is it bigoted?
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notorganic wrote:I see this will now be the anti-islam thread. FTFY Can the mods lock it, lest this whole website be portrayed as complete bigots?
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I see this will now be the culture wars thread.
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Rape victim', 15, sentenced to 100 lashes in the Maldives for engaging in pre-marital sex Quote:A 15-year-old girl, who was allegedly raped by her step-father, has been sentenced by a court in the Maldives to 100 lashes for having pre-marital sex with another man. Police in the strict Islamic country had been investigating allegations the girl had been abused by her stepfather for years when they uncovered new evidence. The girl and her step-father were first arrested after the body of a baby she had given birth to was found buried outside their house on Feydhoo in June 2012. Her stepfather, who had reportedly been abusing the girl for years, is reportedly facing 25 years in prison for the rape and allegedly killing a baby conceived from it. He has been charged with sexually abusing a minor, possessing pornography, and murder, while her mother has been charged with concealing a crime and murder. The girl later admitted to police that she had had consensual sex with another man.It is not known whether he will face charges. Court officials have said the flogging, will be carried out once the girl turns 18. Until that time she will be under house arrest. The Maldivian government has reportedly urged the court to show leniency describing the girl as having been 'traumatised' by the rape. Amnesty International described the charges against he girl as 'outrageous'. A spokesman said: 'Victims of rape or other forms of sexual abuse should be given counselling and support – not charged with a crime. 'Flogging is a violation of the absolute prohibition on torture and other cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment or punishment. 'The Maldivian authorities should immediately end its use regardless of circumstances. The fact that this time a 15-year old girl who has suffered terribly is at risk makes it all the more reprehensible'. 'Flogging is not only wrong and humiliating, but can lead to long-term psychological as well as physical scars.' Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2285332/Rape-victim-15-sentenced-100-lashes-Maldives-engaging-pre-marital-sex.html#ixzz2M9o6yeSo Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
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They won't be treated any different to anyone else who committed similar acts of assault.
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benelsmore wrote:TrueAnglo wrote:Four found guilty over sharia law whipping Quote:Four men have been found guilty of assault for whipping a Muslim convert as punishment under sharia law for drinking alcohol and taking drugs.
It is the first time a case like this has come before the Australian courts.
Four men broke into Christian Martinez's Silverwater unit in Sydney's west in 2011 and whipped him 50 times with an electrical cord in the name of religious law.
Mr Martinez was a recent convert to Islam.
The day before the attack he had drunk alcohol and taken drugs and had called his religious mentor, Wassam Faayad, to tell him.
Fayed then carried out the whipping on Mr Martinez as punishment under sharia law while the three others held him down.
During the attack Mr Martinez asked for it to stop.
All four men have been found guilty of assault occasioning actual bodily harm in company.
They will be sentenced at a later date. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-28/four-men-found-guilty-over-sharia-whipping/4545010 Lets hope they are charged, imprisoned and punished heavily with a sentence demonstrating that this kind of behavior is not tolerated in this country. If people want Sharia law, Australia is not the place for it. My understanding of Sharia is that it's a personal sacrifice, not something to be imposed on others.
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TrueAnglo wrote:Four found guilty over sharia law whipping Quote:Four men have been found guilty of assault for whipping a Muslim convert as punishment under sharia law for drinking alcohol and taking drugs.
It is the first time a case like this has come before the Australian courts.
Four men broke into Christian Martinez's Silverwater unit in Sydney's west in 2011 and whipped him 50 times with an electrical cord in the name of religious law.
Mr Martinez was a recent convert to Islam.
The day before the attack he had drunk alcohol and taken drugs and had called his religious mentor, Wassam Faayad, to tell him.
Fayed then carried out the whipping on Mr Martinez as punishment under sharia law while the three others held him down.
During the attack Mr Martinez asked for it to stop.
All four men have been found guilty of assault occasioning actual bodily harm in company.
They will be sentenced at a later date. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-28/four-men-found-guilty-over-sharia-whipping/4545010 Lets hope they are charged, imprisoned and punished heavily with a sentence demonstrating that this kind of behavior is not tolerated in this country. If people want Sharia law, Australia is not the place for it.
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Four found guilty over sharia law whipping Quote:Four men have been found guilty of assault for whipping a Muslim convert as punishment under sharia law for drinking alcohol and taking drugs.
It is the first time a case like this has come before the Australian courts.
Four men broke into Christian Martinez's Silverwater unit in Sydney's west in 2011 and whipped him 50 times with an electrical cord in the name of religious law.
Mr Martinez was a recent convert to Islam.
The day before the attack he had drunk alcohol and taken drugs and had called his religious mentor, Wassam Faayad, to tell him.
Fayed then carried out the whipping on Mr Martinez as punishment under sharia law while the three others held him down.
During the attack Mr Martinez asked for it to stop.
All four men have been found guilty of assault occasioning actual bodily harm in company.
They will be sentenced at a later date. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-28/four-men-found-guilty-over-sharia-whipping/4545010
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paulbagzFC wrote:notorganic wrote:Imagine how advanced Islam would be if the Mongols didn't sack Baghdad. At the time it was the scientific capital of the world. Yep. Fucking Mongs :lol: [-( -PB To be fair to the Khans, the Kalif really did double dare them.
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KenGooner_GCU wrote:afromanGT wrote:Quote: I like Indian people, they're a very tolerant and open minded group as a whole. If my time at crown taught me anything, it's that this statement is bollocks. I think you lost all hope on humanity some time ago. Yeah, it was about two weeks into my job at crown when I watched a man have a heart attack at the table and nobody do anything but continue placing bets.
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