Joffa
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:It's still alleged as well.he is still considered innocent . But for all means we have no proof . And therefore locked. True Anglo anymore postings with racial undertones may result in a ban.
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afromanGT
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Scoll wrote:I'm of the opinion that we should deport and revoke the citizenship of anyone who refers to an asylum seeker as an "illegal immigrant" and use the proceeds of the sale of their assets to provide assistance to people who have been granted asylum. From one extreme to the other. Well done #-o
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Scoll wrote: On the subject of this particular case, it is obvious that if an asylum seeker committed this crime they will fail to be granted asylum. Being sympathetic to the plight of oppressed people does not mean we accept everyone that claims to be so. There is a real feeling of "terrorist until proven otherwise" in our society and it is sickening.
Australia citizenship should not be a given. As a desperate person looking for a better life being a rapist is not a good start. This person should have a choice, be sent back to wherever or go to an Australian jail if found guilty. I support asylum seekers as long as they are not a permanent drain on the system. Living here is not and should not be a holiday. These people should be sent to our struggling regional areas to provide manual labor if they lack other useful skills. They should become tax payers so that they can pay tax for the infrastructure they require to inject some life into our struggling construction industry. Having carried out work for an apartment unit for asylum seekers whilst the existing one operates I can tell you these people sit in the city and do nothing. Education, pffft.... what education? These people did nothing but watch us for 10 hours while we drilled holes. They could be doing many tasks which would ease the burden on the tax-payer which currently drains funds necessary for our lacking infrastructure and regional logistics.
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catbert
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Why does everyone always focus on Asylum Seeker's in regards to immigration/population growth? It completely ignores every important issue, infrastructure in our cities, regional development, resource consumption (currently out water consumption is totally unsustainable, especially with additional population growth)? It's all just a bloody scapegoat discussion because no one wants to discuss the difficult things.
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Carlito
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TheSelectFew wrote:Nico wrote:Scoll wrote:I'm of the opinion that we should deport and revoke the citizenship of anyone who refers to an asylum seeker as an "illegal immigrant" and use the proceeds of the sale of their assets to provide assistance to people who have been granted asylum.
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TheSelectFew
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Nico wrote:Scoll wrote:I'm of the opinion that we should deport and revoke the citizenship of anyone who refers to an asylum seeker as an "illegal immigrant" and use the proceeds of the sale of their assets to provide assistance to people who have been granted asylum.
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Nico
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Scoll wrote:I'm of the opinion that we should deport and revoke the citizenship of anyone who refers to an asylum seeker as an "illegal immigrant" and use the proceeds of the sale of their assets to provide assistance to people who have been granted asylum.
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I'm of the opinion that we should deport and revoke the citizenship of anyone who refers to an asylum seeker as an "illegal immigrant" and use the proceeds of the sale of their assets to provide assistance to people who have been granted asylum.
On the subject of this particular case, it is obvious that if an asylum seeker committed this crime they will fail to be granted asylum. Being sympathetic to the plight of oppressed people does not mean we accept everyone that claims to be so. There is a real feeling of "terrorist until proven otherwise" in our society and it is sickening.
Basic human rights should not be eschewed to appease fear-mongers. Ramshackle lean-tos on remote islands wont stem the flow of asylum seekers, and whilst there is demand people smugglers will supply. The asylum seeking process needs to be safer and more accessible to limit the amount organised crime can profit from it. And, really, it is the people smugglers that are the real issue. They are the ones putting countless lives at risk for profit.
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Nico wrote:Heineken wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Also what if that asyulum seeker was given a humantartian visa who was allowed in oz ?, do we send them back ? One fucked up thing that one idiot did doesn't mean everyone is a idiot . Hell my wife and her family were refugees . Do I send her back to bosna ? So just because he's come from some dump it's OK to go sexually assaulting young women. He should be deported. He should face trial. If found guilty he should face gaol time. The same goes for an Australian citizen who rapes someone, or an American citizen on holiday here who rapes someone. No no, don't be silly. According to right wing australians asylum seekers aren't afforded the same rights as every other person. They're scum and aren't even protected by the Geneva convention.
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Nico
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afromanGT wrote:The logic in this thread is fucking retarded. +1. Interesting Q&A on the topic of boat people for anyone interested: http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/txt/s3260762.htm
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Nico
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Heineken wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Also what if that asyulum seeker was given a humantartian visa who was allowed in oz ?, do we send them back ? One fucked up thing that one idiot did doesn't mean everyone is a idiot . Hell my wife and her family were refugees . Do I send her back to bosna ? So just because he's come from some dump it's OK to go sexually assaulting young women. He should be deported. He should face trial. If found guilty he should face gaol time. The same goes for an Australian citizen who rapes someone, or an American citizen on holiday here who rapes someone.
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afromanGT
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Heineken wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Also what if that asyulum seeker was given a humantartian visa who was allowed in oz ?, do we send them back ? One fucked up thing that one idiot did doesn't mean everyone is a idiot . Hell my wife and her family were refugees . Do I send her back to bosna ? So just because he's come from some dump it's OK to go sexually assaulting young women. He should be deported. Yeah. That's exactly what everyone is saying. As long as you're a foreigner you can rape whoever you want. #-o And because of that, our borders should be closed to immigration #-o Fuck.
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Heineken wrote:MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Also what if that asyulum seeker was given a humantartian visa who was allowed in oz ?, do we send them back ? One fucked up thing that one idiot did doesn't mean everyone is a idiot . Hell my wife and her family were refugees . Do I send her back to bosna ? So just because he's come from some dump it's OK to go sexually assaulting young women. He should be deported. Pretty sure he will be, if he's found guilty. Important to remember that he hasn't actually been found guilty of anything yet. Edited by sydneycroatia58: 27/2/2013 05:12:56 PM
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Carlito
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It's still alleged as well. Sadly he is still considered innocent . But for all means we have no proof . And I didn't say that we shouldbt deport him I'm asking if was a visa recipient are we legally able to send him back without breaking our laws
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afromanGT
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The logic in this thread is fucking retarded.
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Also what if that asyulum seeker was given a humantartian visa who was allowed in oz ?, do we send them back ? One fucked up thing that one idiot did doesn't mean everyone is a idiot . Hell my wife and her family were refugees . Do I send her back to bosna ? So just because he's come from some dump it's OK to go sexually assaulting young women. He should be deported.
WOLLONGONG WOLVES FOR A-LEAGUE EXPANSION!

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Nico wrote:thupercoach wrote: Article is about a rapist. Still OK to discuss if we should let him stay in the country?
I don't really understand. Are you saying one alleged rape means we should stop all immigration? Edited by Nico: 27/2/2013 04:55:24 PM Mayelle Ewell would be proud.
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Nico
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thupercoach wrote:afromanGT wrote:Man...you guys are asshats.
They come over here seeking asylum (not illegal). They get put on welfare, you complain that they spend their lives on welfare. These get given education so that they DON'T spend their entire lives on welfare, and you're STILL complaining.
My point before was, how many of those reported sexual assaults are front page news? Sweet fuck all unless someone famous is involved. It's bullshit double-standards at its finest. Not really champ. When it's a person who is trying to become an Australian citizen and rapes an Australian citizen in the meantime it's a different scenario. I don't really want to invite a rapist into my house. And yes, I do want our country to reserve the right to decide who is allowed into Australia and who isn't. Our immigration policy shouldn't be dictated by people in boats who can afford the fee, the smugglers who make a living off them and the Indo politicians who turn a blind eye for some substantial kickbacks. We've signed the UN Convention relating to the Status of a Refugee. We have AGREED to assess anyone seeking asylum and if their are genuine concerns for their safety we have AGREED to look after them. Choice has zero to do with it. Edited by Nico: 27/2/2013 05:00:56 PM
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Carlito
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Also what if that asyulum seeker was given a humantartian visa who was allowed in oz ?, do we send them back ? One fucked up thing that one idiot did doesn't mean everyone is a idiot . Hell my wife and her family were refugees . Do I send her back to bosna ?
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Nico
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thupercoach wrote: Article is about a rapist. Still OK to discuss if we should let him stay in the country?
I don't really understand. Are you saying one alleged rape means we should stop all immigration? Edited by Nico: 27/2/2013 04:55:24 PM
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thupercoach
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Nico wrote:Here is a 3 year old article that's still true today. Its ridiculous when you consider that football fans see through bias media when reporting on our sport, but can't seem to believe they'd do the same with anything else. I personally find it disgusting that politicians are willing to use these people as political tool. Its a disgrace. Quote:Plane truth about boat peopleWE are not being flooded by refugees. Australia's borders are not under threat. There is no armada of boats preparing to sail our way. And despite everything Kevin Rudd, Malcolm Turnbull and Wilson Tuckey claim in the present hysterical fuss about asylum-seekers, there is one very important truth to remember. This issue is pure politics and both sides are fudging the truth. No matter how much our politicans fret and fight, there is no reason for Australians to panic about refugees, asylum-seekers, or immigration. As The Sunday Telegraph reports today, a close analysis of statistics yields several important facts about the real refugee situation in Australia. The Government and Opposition don't want you to focus on these statistics because they undermine the parties' opportunities to exploit fear and misunderstanding for their own gain. But the truth is this: the vast majority of the 13,500 asylum-seekers who come to Australia this year will be processed through the formal structures of the United Nations High Commission for Refugees. A little more than a third of them (about 4700 last year) will arrive through our airports on legitimate tourist and business visas and then make claims for asylum while they are on Australian soil. And a fraction - only 161 people last year, and likely to be closer to 2000 this year - will arrive by boat. If Australia has any refugee ``problem'', it is plane-people, not boat-people. What's more, the people who arrive by boat are far more likely to be genuine refugees than those people who arrive by plane. Immigration Department figures show between 85 and 90 per cent of boat people are found to be genuine, compared with between 40 and 60 per cent of plane people. It's important to remember why these people come to Australia. We are the only country in this region to have promised to protect refugees; we signed the United Nations 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees and the 1967 Protocol. We have accepted that as a stable, safe, peaceful nation, we have a duty to help the world solve the problem of 42 million people who have fled their homes because of war, gross violation of human rights, political persecution, torture and tyranny. That is a serious obligation and it means that some of those displaced people will take us at our word. They will come here, seeking protection. And we have a duty to treat them _ perhaps for the first time in their lives _ with dignity and humanity. All that is happening, quietly and smoothly. The boats arriving in Australia's waters are diverted to Christmas Island. The asylum-seekers are processed (not as quickly as the Government has promised, but within 90 days in 75 per cent of cases) and then either released to live in the Australian community if they are genuine, or deported if they are not. In regard to plane people, they are granted bridging visas, and allowed to live in the community and work to feed themselves while their claims are processed. In about half of cases, they are found to be non-genuine, and are deported. So what is all this fuss about? Why is Kevin Rudd beating his chest about being tough on people-smuggling? Why is he rushing to shower Indonesia with money? Because he thinks you, the voters, are fearful about asylum-seekers and he wants to exploit that fear. He is performing for your benefit and the benefit of all those Labor Party members who remember what happened in 2001, when Kim Beazley found himself wedged into a very uncomfortable corner. Mr Beazley was panicked by John Howard's "tough'' rhetoric on boat people, and lost the respect of conservative Australians, who thought he was too weak, and liberal Australians, who thought he was too cowardly to articulate an alternative to Howard's. Mr Rudd has chosen Howard's way, confirming - if there were any doubt - that our PM learnt well the lessons of Mr Howard's victory and Mr Beazley's demise: populism always trumps principle. - See more at: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/plane-truth-about-boat-people/story-e6frewt0-1225790871733#sthash.ybJn6sqv.dpuf Article is about a rapist. Still OK to discuss if we should let him stay in the country?
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Nico
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Here is a 3 year old article that's still true today. Its ridiculous when you consider that football fans see through bias media when reporting on our sport, but can't seem to believe they'd do the same with anything else. I personally find it disgusting that politicians are willing to use these people as political tool. Its a disgrace. Quote:Plane truth about boat peopleWE are not being flooded by refugees. Australia's borders are not under threat. There is no armada of boats preparing to sail our way. And despite everything Kevin Rudd, Malcolm Turnbull and Wilson Tuckey claim in the present hysterical fuss about asylum-seekers, there is one very important truth to remember. This issue is pure politics and both sides are fudging the truth. No matter how much our politicans fret and fight, there is no reason for Australians to panic about refugees, asylum-seekers, or immigration. As The Sunday Telegraph reports today, a close analysis of statistics yields several important facts about the real refugee situation in Australia. The Government and Opposition don't want you to focus on these statistics because they undermine the parties' opportunities to exploit fear and misunderstanding for their own gain. But the truth is this: the vast majority of the 13,500 asylum-seekers who come to Australia this year will be processed through the formal structures of the United Nations High Commission for Refugees. A little more than a third of them (about 4700 last year) will arrive through our airports on legitimate tourist and business visas and then make claims for asylum while they are on Australian soil. And a fraction - only 161 people last year, and likely to be closer to 2000 this year - will arrive by boat. If Australia has any refugee ``problem'', it is plane-people, not boat-people. What's more, the people who arrive by boat are far more likely to be genuine refugees than those people who arrive by plane. Immigration Department figures show between 85 and 90 per cent of boat people are found to be genuine, compared with between 40 and 60 per cent of plane people. It's important to remember why these people come to Australia. We are the only country in this region to have promised to protect refugees; we signed the United Nations 1951 Convention relating to the Status of Refugees and the 1967 Protocol. We have accepted that as a stable, safe, peaceful nation, we have a duty to help the world solve the problem of 42 million people who have fled their homes because of war, gross violation of human rights, political persecution, torture and tyranny. That is a serious obligation and it means that some of those displaced people will take us at our word. They will come here, seeking protection. And we have a duty to treat them _ perhaps for the first time in their lives _ with dignity and humanity. All that is happening, quietly and smoothly. The boats arriving in Australia's waters are diverted to Christmas Island. The asylum-seekers are processed (not as quickly as the Government has promised, but within 90 days in 75 per cent of cases) and then either released to live in the Australian community if they are genuine, or deported if they are not. In regard to plane people, they are granted bridging visas, and allowed to live in the community and work to feed themselves while their claims are processed. In about half of cases, they are found to be non-genuine, and are deported. So what is all this fuss about? Why is Kevin Rudd beating his chest about being tough on people-smuggling? Why is he rushing to shower Indonesia with money? Because he thinks you, the voters, are fearful about asylum-seekers and he wants to exploit that fear. He is performing for your benefit and the benefit of all those Labor Party members who remember what happened in 2001, when Kim Beazley found himself wedged into a very uncomfortable corner. Mr Beazley was panicked by John Howard's "tough'' rhetoric on boat people, and lost the respect of conservative Australians, who thought he was too weak, and liberal Australians, who thought he was too cowardly to articulate an alternative to Howard's. Mr Rudd has chosen Howard's way, confirming - if there were any doubt - that our PM learnt well the lessons of Mr Howard's victory and Mr Beazley's demise: populism always trumps principle. - See more at: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/plane-truth-about-boat-people/story-e6frewt0-1225790871733#sthash.ybJn6sqv.dpuf
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afromanGT
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They weren't front page of the tabloid news sites though. The age is far more neutral and less fear-mongering. TrueAnglo would never post an article from there. Quote:And yes, I do want our country to reserve the right to decide who is allowed into Australia and who isn't. Our immigration policy shouldn't be dictated by people in boats who can afford the fee, the smugglers who make a living off them and the Indo politicians who turn a blind eye for some substantial kickbacks. The people smugglers are illegal. The people seeking asylum are not.
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Carlito
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Don't blame the people on the boats.they're desperate. The ones who you guys need to get angry at are the people smugglers . They're the ones who profiteer out of misery ,hell the vietanmese came here by boat, so did the euro's after world war one And two. This supposed turn of the " muslims" is just an excuse for idiots to spew their filth .
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TheSelectFew
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Agenda based article to shock the average moron into buying a paper. 0/10 would not buy.
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TheSelectFew
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:Roar_Brisbane wrote:afromanGT wrote:One asylum seeker commits sexual assault, makes headlines on daily terrorgraph.
Thousands of Australian Citizens commit sexual assault. Nobody says boo.
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afromanGT wrote: My point before was, how many of those reported sexual assaults are front page news? Sweet fuck all unless someone famous is involved. It's bullshit double-standards at its finest.
I'm not so sure that's right. From today's paper: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/woman-dragged-to-creek-sexually-assaulted-by-two-attackers-20130227-2f4on.htmlhttp://www.theage.com.au/victoria/teens-molest-woman-20130226-2f46c.html
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thupercoach
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afromanGT wrote:Man...you guys are asshats.
They come over here seeking asylum (not illegal). They get put on welfare, you complain that they spend their lives on welfare. These get given education so that they DON'T spend their entire lives on welfare, and you're STILL complaining.
My point before was, how many of those reported sexual assaults are front page news? Sweet fuck all unless someone famous is involved. It's bullshit double-standards at its finest. Not really champ. When it's a person who is trying to become an Australian citizen and rapes an Australian citizen in the meantime it's a different scenario. I don't really want to invite a rapist into my house. And yes, I do want our country to reserve the right to decide who is allowed into Australia and who isn't. Our immigration policy shouldn't be dictated by people in boats who can afford the fee, the smugglers who make a living off them and the Indo politicians who turn a blind eye for some substantial kickbacks.
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afromanGT
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Man...you guys are asshats.
They come over here seeking asylum (not illegal). They get put on welfare, you complain that they spend their lives on welfare. These get given education so that they DON'T spend their entire lives on welfare, and you're STILL complaining.
My point before was, how many of those reported sexual assaults are front page news? Sweet fuck all unless someone famous is involved. It's bullshit double-standards at its finest.
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Carlito
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Econmic asylum ? My wife is s refugee you dumb Fuck . You know nothing
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