In senior football where players can kick to halfway, pressing on every defender on the goalkicks will usually leave unmarked players behind them that can be found. However in junior football most players don't have the power in the legs to put the ball over the first line of opposition players pressing to the box.

What we see then in junior games is a setpiece opportunity on every goal kick for the team not in possession. By marking every player around the box we see the goalkeepers try to boot the ball beyond their range which most of the time ends up coming back at them as the players are all facing his goal(harder for the defenders to turn.)

Why don't we then, in encouraging playing out for the back, not allow opposition players past a certain point, or a restriction of the number of players in that third, or even all the goalkicks to be taken from the edge of the box? There are a hundred ways which something could be implemented these are just two options, I'm more interested at the moment on whether people would be in favor of the idea.

The obvious argument against is that kids have to problem solve in these situations and changing the rules would just restrict their learning. My thoughts are completely the opposite. My team consistently tries to play out at goalkicks, as the goalkeeper cannot kick very far we have our players very close to him especially the 4 defenders and holding midfielder all spread around the edge of the box. However the opposition just marks these players, so then more of our players come closer to get the ball and what we start to see are odd scenarios in which their are 15 players in our third on the goalkicks.

Now Im not convinced that situation is football and I think changing a minor rule to allow the kids to develop their playing out on goalkicks would be far less detrimental to their development then the current situation they find themselves in on every goalkick.



Edited by tjwhalan: 6/8/2013 07:07:18 PM

Goalkeeper
The goalkeeper is allowed to handle the ball anywhere in the penalty area. To restart play after a save or gathering the ball with their hands, the ball must be thrown or rolled from the hands or played from the ground with their feet, within 6 seconds. The goalkeeper is not allowed to kick or drop kick the ball directly from their hands. Opponents must be at least 5m outside the penalty area and cannot move inside the penalty area until the ball is in play. The ball is in play once it moves out of the penalty area.


Im not sure what age you are talking about but here is an extract from the ssg handbook.Our association enforces the bolded rule pretty well. I'm pretty sure most teams won't encroach the 5m until the 2nd touch. ie the defender has had a chance to play as well.

Edited by neverwozza: 6/8/2013 07:26:01 PM

I was referring to 11 v 11, so upto around U/14s

In the NPL you can only press with the front 3 against the back 4.
TBH no point pressing at all with this condition as you get passed thru,just drop off til the oppo are nearer the halfway.

You appear to have 2 problems, 1 technical and 1 tactical.
The technical issue is with your keepers ball striking so get of your arse and work on it the season is nearly over.
The tactical problem is the positioning of your players. Push the full backs onto the touchline and high away from the goal with the c/backs around the point of the penalty area this will open up the field and take the opposition away. Your holding mid should also be nowhere near the top of the area as a starting position he should be closer to the half way line only dropping in when the keeper has played.
As Dirk points out if they press with 3 then you have a 5v3 easy to get out, if they push an extra mid up you have a 3v2 in the middle and with simple movement can get a player free.

It would probably be unfair to expect U/14 goalkeepers to be able to kick to half way, more reasonable would be about a third of the field, yes a technique issue but more so a height/weight one. Secondly Im talking about junior Saturday leagues where there is no restriction on pressing, which is the problem. Maybe that would be one way to help with the issue. Ill also point out that im not just referring to my team here, not one goalkeeper in the league have I seen kick the ball to halfway.

Why do you keep thinking the keeper has to be able to kick it to half way, he or she needs to be able to strike the ball correctly, control the ball correctly and make good football decisions. If your outfield players then understand there starting positions correctly and how to support the player with the ball the high pressing of the opponent is an opportunity to exploit.

Get coaching.

When i was coaching under 9's and 10's on a full field a few years back, this was something i used to my advantage on occasions. Some kids taking the goal kicks had no leg strength, so my midfield and strikers would just crowd that front third and mark their back 3 or 4.

I remember one such game where we had already scored two goals from opposition goal kicks. My left winger broke down the flank, but by the time he got to the byline, 2 defenders and the keeper were there as well. He simply kicked the ball over the line in order to get a goal kick... We proceeded to score off the resulting goal kick :lol:

From a development point of view i see that there wasn't much point to it, but in the two years i coached the team, i was very proud of the way they started to work tactically in all aspects of the game.

Haha that is precisely what I want to stop.

Civesundies I see your point and I will start giving some attention to goalkicks.

I am just using kicking to halfway as a comparison to senior football where the opposition knows the goalkeeper can just kick it over their heads so they dont push up, something junior players exploit at the expense of learning the game, in my opinion.

A junior player of that age able to strike the ball correctly can still only kick the ball accurately a third of the field so any player that wants to receive the ball to feet has to be in that third. The scenario eventuates to having 15 players all around the box and an unreasonable situation to try and play through with the ball on the ground when at the end of the day a goalkick should be a free restart for the team on the ball (see senior football).

sounds like junior basketball where if one team is taking the mickey due to the others sides inability, they are made to play zone within their own 3 point area to give them a fighting chance

There are specific coaching cues, and player actions for playing out from the back which makes it easier.

Unfortunately, these rules are made by FFA. However, not all coaches are educated in some specific strategies to play out.

If and when you do the C Licence, TJ Whalan, there is a lot of emphasis given to this. I've done a lot more with FFA staff coaches since i completed the C Licence too.

The first instruction is for the two CBs, or 3 and 4, to start moving diagonally as soon as the keeper receives the ball by hand or places the ball for a goal kick. The CBs need to move to the edge of the penalty box on the 18 metre line on the other side of the D. They need to be in a position to have the body shape to move or play forwards.

The full backs, or 2 and 5, need to be at a diagonal angle to play forwards, about 10 - 15 metres away from the CBs, or 3 and 4, and out towards the boundary line. The idea is to make the pitch bigger when a team has Ball Possession. Then make it more compact in Ball Possession Opposition.

I certainly achieved this outcome pretty well towards the end of the season. However, involving the screeners, or 6 and 8, to play out receiving the ball from the CBs, full backs or keepers, was far less successful when opposition teams squeezed.

If one plays the 1-4-3-3, with the two screeners, or 6 and 8, in the midfield triangle, they need to be moving to receive the ball diagonally. My under 14 rep team still didn't do this satisfactorily in the various state tournaments, but none of the other teams did either. We did a lot of work on this on the training ground in 7v7, but I put it down to the limited game sense of testosterone inundated males.

The other thing to do with the screeners, numbers 6 and 8, is to get them to 'check.' That is to fake a run in the opposite direction to where they want the ball played to them by the keeper, the CBs, or the full backs. They need to try and open a diagonal passing lane.

Once the opposition player follows the fake, or check, they need to run in the opposite direction, ensuring they run diagonally to receive the ball in a body position (or shape) to move or play forwards. If they run straight towards the opposition goal, unless there is no opposition marker, a player doesn't have the body shape to receive the ball in a satisfactory body position and be able to view much of the field to play or move forwards. By running diagonally they can retain eye contact with the other players who they want to play the ball to their feet.

Ultimately, if there is movement from all the defensive line and the two screeners. This amounts to 6 players moving, all close enough to receive the ball on the deck and having the ball played to feet.

Even the state champion senior team, South Hobart , don't play out through the screeners particularly well under intense squeezing. Only the male and female institute teams do. I fancy my chances more with a senior women's team I've coached this year. Their game sense is vastly superior to young adolescent males.

This is a fundamental team task for all teams in Australia, if we are going to implement the FFA NC. We must have much greater dissemination of this knowledge of training teams to play out from the back under tight n marking. It is also a lot more enjoyable for defenders and midfielders to play this type of football. Empirically, they also get fitter.

I think I did a lot of this stuff in the C Licence. Maybe I've done a lot more of this stuff with FFT staff coaches since.:-k









Edited by Decentric: 7/8/2013 11:17:16 PM

Goalkeeper
The goalkeeper is allowed to handle the ball anywhere in the penalty area. To restart play after a save or gathering
the ball with their hands, the ball must be thrown or rolled from the hands or played from the ground with their feet,
within 6 seconds. The goalkeeper is not allowed to kick or drop kick the ball directly from their hands. Opponents
must be at least 5m outside the penalty area and cannot move inside the penalty area until the ball is in play. The ball
is in play once it moves out of the penalty area.
An indirect free kick is awarded if the goalkeeper touches the ball with their hands after it has been deliberately
kicked to them by a team-mate.

Problem solved
http://www.smallsidedfootball.com.au/pdfs/2012/ossf_football_laws.pdf

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdtOq_XlZAU

Edited by krones3: 7/8/2013 11:49:36 PM

When the ball leves the penalty area play back to the keep and then again out to the cb this will open up the park for a great attack and the opponent will never press up so high again.

some observations, is that players know their start position but fail to move for the 2nd pass, the forwards start to drop nearer to the goal , get them forward to create space for the defenders to work in.

Also in small sided football there is the 5m retreat line, so get the coaches of these age groups to play out and not 2nd ball it and so playing out shouldn't be feared at u12 onwards.

Edited by dirkvanadidas: 8/8/2013 05:20:31 PM

[quote=dirkvanadidas]some observations, is that players know their start position but fail to move for the 2nd pass, the forwards start to drop nearer to the goal , get them forward to create space for the defenders to work in.


This happens in nearly every jnr game i see.

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=85317





Edited by tjwhalan: 23/8/2013 12:17:13 PM

We did it here in our Zone league the VCL, its okay but it stops maybe hinders kids trying to find "solutions" to playing out. It also means they don't learn to pass the ball correctly to a marked player.

On the other hand....they should just play futsal till there 13 :d

This is, and should be the objective for a lot of training ground sessions. Setting up training ground exercise, in sequential stages for players to improve this facet of the game.

Checking (faking and moving in the opposite direction) is a key component in coaching teams to play out from the back.

Also, coaching players to think proactively is important. By being proactive this means a player should support the player receiving the ball, thinking about how to do it before the team-mate receives the ball, by opening an effective passing lane to play forwards.

This is possibly the most important aspect of modulating the ball on the deck from the defensive line to the attacking line .

Arthur's club must do this very well, because his club's youth teams have impressed the coach of our state NPL finalist. This coach, well known in Australian coaching circles, is a big fan of passing football.