Where's your Lemon now Eddie?


Where's your Lemon now Eddie?

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Anyone else remember that twats interview with Lowy and his claims that the Asian cup would be a Lemon?

Shove it Eddie, and eat a humble Lemon for yourself




Edited by schultzy: 14/1/2015 10:38:13 PM
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Can't say that I do?
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All I could find was this, the original interview seems to 404 everywhere.

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SILLY DOUBTS ABOUT THE 2015 ASIAN CUP
By Les Murray
9 MAY 2012 - 10:23 AM UPDATED 28 FEB 2014 - 5:14 PM


One moment raised my eyebrows in the otherwise innocuous interview Frank Lowy gave to Eddie McGuire on the Fox Footy Channel.

It was the interviewer’s curious scepticism of the likely fruits borne by the 2015 Asian Cup, to be hosted by Australia, to which McGuire referred as a possible 'lemon’.

Respected Sydney Morning Herald columnist Richard Hinds later echoed this notion.

"So disastrous was the 2022 World Cup bid, and so parlous the state of the game's finances, only partially revealed in the sanitised final version of the Smith report, there is a natural cynicism about the FFA's ability to run the event," Hinds said.

Where does this come from, this mysterious, unexplained hypothesis that Football Federation Australia is somehow incapable of organising the 2015 Asian Cup? Where is the evidence for the 'natural cynicism’? And who says there is any?

First, Australia has an impeccable record in organising major international events. And you can include in this the football events and those mounted by this country’s football governors over the years.

The 1981 and 1993 FIFA World Youth Cups hosted by Australia, each with 16 participants like the Asian Cup, went off seamlessly. Both were organised by a governing body which is unkindly recalled by some today as a herd of donkeys.

The current regime’s only major international event so far, the FIFA Congress in Sydney in 2007, full of ceremony, pomp and protocol, went off without the most minor glitch.

Indeed, apart from the botch of the Marston Medal affair in Brisbane this year, you cannot fault much-maligned FFA for its event management.

But, in any case, let’s stop for a second and consider what will define the 2015 Asian Cup as a success.

Richard Hinds for instance asks how hard it will be to fill an Australian stadium for a match between, say, Oman and Uzbekistan. A decent question, but not entirely relevant to what the real challenges and opportunities of the tournament are.

The Asian Cup is riddled with games with small crowds and which do not excite the citizenry of the host nation. They happened in Qatar in 2011 and in the tournament before it, hosted jointly by Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia and Vietnam.

Yet each tournament has been deemed to have been a success, because of the vast TV audiences it reached across the Asian continent and the brand enrichment it delivered for Asian football. And for the hosts.

This is the opportunity for Australia (if only someone would tell Eddie McGuire).

As I have argued in this space many times before, football is a major vehicle, THE major vehicle, by which Australia as a nation has an opportunity to engage with Asia in the 'Asian century’. This is a claim no other sport can make. This is the reason why Lowy’s desire to have us host the Asian Cup is both astute and admirable.

It’s not just about football. It’s about us as a nation and about where we want to belong.

In 2015 Australia will be hosting the Asian Cup, the first time an Asian championship of any sport will be held on our soil. Think of what that will say to its audiences both in Australia and across the Asian continent.

It will tell Australians that, despite the map-makers, we are part of Asia. It will tell Asians that we are among them and want to be among them.

The audiences for the tournament will number in the hundreds of millions. Australia will be a showcase to the world’s largest continent, of which we are now inextricably part and want to be for our own survival as an economically prosperous nation.

That will be the measure of an Australia-hosted Asian Cup’s success or otherwise.

There will be the odd dull game and there might be some games where the hot dog sellers will outnumber the crowd (though I doubt it).

But a 'lemon’ it will not be.

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Eddie interviewed Lowy on foxsports in 2012 and suggested to him it would be a lemon and Australia shouldn't be hosting it.
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Sydney to hold Asian Cup's big games

Sydney has been unofficially confirmed as the host city of the semi-finals, the match for third place and the final of the 2015 AFC Asian Cup.
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By SBS EXCLUSIVE: Philip Micallef

20 Jul 2012 - 3:35 PM UPDATED 3 Nov 2012 - 1:07 PM


Organising committee chief executive Michael Brown said Australia's biggest city was the venue for the showpiece matches.

"The two semi-finals, the match for third place and the final will take place in Sydney," Brown said.

"We don't know which venues will hold the tournament's last four matches because negotiations are still going on.

"Sydney will definitely have two venues for the tournament but we need to finalise the five stadiums by the end of the year.

"This is subject to AFC approval because it is its own event but
we as the local organising committee are all keen to work with them
because they have run such events in the past.

"The same thing happens with the World Cup and Olympics."

The world's third largest football tournament, in terms of television
viewership, will take place in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Canberra at
five stadiums to be selected from a shortlist of eight.

"The opening match involving the Socceroos will be in Melbourne
just before the start of the Australian Open tennis, the Australian
team will play its group matches in three cities and each of the four
host cities will stage a quarter-final," Brown said.

Japan, Australia, Korea Republic, Korea DPR and the winner of the 2014 AFC Challenge Cup will play in the tournament automatically.

The remaining 11 teams will come from a group qualification phase that commences next March, with the official draw for the qualifying path taking place in Melbourne in October.

The local organising committee has set aside the date of 9 October for the staging of the draw at a city venue.

"The draw will take place in Melbourne on 9 October and the AFC will bring along all its top officials for the occasion," Brown said.

"The draw will determine the composition of the groups to find the remaining 11 teams to play in Australia in 2015."

Brown also said that since the Asian Cup was an AFC event, Australia as host was not at liberty to determine the shape and form of the tournament without the governing body's approval.

'We have recommended the dates of 9-31 January or thereabouts and there are schedules in place that we are working on," he said.

In a wide-ranging interview, Brown addressed a number of challenges facing the organising committee amid lingering concerns over a perceived lack of local interest.

Eddie McGuire reckons that the Asian Cup might be a 'lemon'. How hard is it going to be to convince mainstream Australia that this is indeed a big sporting event?

"Eddie's a passionate Melburnian and Collingwood president. I have spoken to him and written to Melbourne Major Events to make sure that they understand the contribution governments are making.


"For me the biggest issue we're confronted with is Australia's awareness. Football is a growing sport and the Asian Cup should be the watershed moment for the development of the game in this country.

"The A-League is only in its infancy but it's going from strength to strength.

"But the AFL nearly collapsed in 1985 because it was broke and had to go to an independent commission to rebuild itself.

"Cricket had to go through the World Series in the 1970s to regenerate and reinvigorate itself so every sport has been there.

"So it is a bit unfair to suggest that this Asian Cup is a lemon "¦ if anything it shows the size of the opportunity for us to educate people like Eddie about the merits of one of the top three football tournaments in the world.

"We have not had an event of this size since the 2000 Olympics. Forty-six nations representing half of the world's population will be trying to qualify for this event."

So will Australia organise a successful tournament?

"It's going to be tough and a massive challenge but we know that Aussies are great sports lovers and the event will take place at a very good time of the year.

"We've got the (regional) best of the sport here and people will come to watch the best.

"We need people who are event-watchers to come along.

"We see this event as part of the long-term awareness campaign for football.

"People go and watch T20 cricket because they know it's on even though they might not know much about it.

"So what we're trying to do is build consumers of the game and we know that the best form of consumer is the participant, who is more than likely to follow the game.

"The legacy we are trying to leave from this event is that this is a good sport and people should feel comfortable to be around and involved in it."

How do you sell a match between, say, Oman and Jordan?

"This happens in cricket and rugby world cups where lesser matches draw small crowds.

"The challenge will be to activate those local communities around such matches.

"We also have to be novel with things that we can do, like having a popular ticketing program linked to the A-League clubs, grassroots, schools and local business groups that invites people to games.

"I'd rather have 40,000 fans paying $10 than 20,000 people paying $20 a head.

"We'll tell them they might not necessarily see the most popular teams play but we'll surround the match in question by community engagement strategies like fairs and festivals.

"We will also have ticketing packages whereby, for example, if you buy tickets to the big games you might get a couple of tickets to the smaller games."

Will the draw be piloted to make sure some teams play where they are more likely to attract healthy crowds?

"We are beginning to examine that discussion now.

"We are developing an understanding of where the population groups are.

"For example, if Lebanon qualify it would make sense to have them play in Sydney.

"When Australia played Saudi Arabia in Melbourne two and a half thousand Saudis came to the match unannounced.

"So we will work with the AFC about this but you cannot compromise the draw.

"We are aiming for an average of no fewer than 10,000 people per game."

In a nutshell, what sort of tournament can Australian and foreign fans expect in 2015?

"A festival of football ... a celebration of Australia's rich culture and what we're good at.

"I want it to be a friendly games, a microcosm of our multiculturalism."

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2012/07/20/sydney-hold-asian-cups-big-games
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I do remember it, but I think Eddie said are you worried that you've got a lemon on your hands, not it will be a lemon.

Either way so far we can say it's certainly not been anything like a lemon.
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Lemonade I say.
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I thought about this yesterday when i was at the NK v SA match.

over 12k people come on a wednesday night to watch 2 nations that are not Australia cant be that bad?

I think Eddie was wrong!

these Kangaroos can play football - 
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KEEP POLITICS OUT OF FOOTBALL

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I remember it clearly. EM went out of his way to call the game "Sokkah" and he basically implied that the Asian Cup would not be a success.
F*ck off and take that stupid money show with you.
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I think the competition from the traditional sports (cricket, tennis) make it hard to promote. With greater promotion the event could have been even bigger. Knowing that the games are not going to be on tv, why couldn't they have handed out free tickets at schools? Warm-up games were closed to the public which also didn't help promote the fact that it was happening. The whole country is not behind this event and the same would be the case if it was a World Cup (probably why we only got one vote). In hindsight it would have been better for Australia to have launched a bid for the World Cup after hosting this Asian Cup. It hasn't been a lemon but I'd say it has only been moderately successful.
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Been thinking about this too, think he said "we think it's gonna be the biggest lemon of all time" or something like that.
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The current regime’s only major international event so far, the FIFA Congress in Sydney in 2007, full of ceremony, pomp and protocol, went off without the most minor glitch.


And this is bigger than the Women's Asian Cup why?



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The current regime’s only major international event so far, the FIFA Congress in Sydney in 2007, full of ceremony, pomp and protocol, went off without the most minor glitch.


And this is bigger than the Women's Asian Cup why?


Don't make this a feminism debate :lol:
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apart from the australian games, not one game has attracted over 20,000 people or had over 100,000 watching on foxtel.


its not a lemon, but its hardly a smashing success.
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Sirocco wrote:
apart from the australian games, not one game has attracted over 20,000 people or had over 100,000 watching on foxtel.


its not a lemon, but its hardly a smashing success.


You say that now. The afternoon of the game where that will happen. 25k+ expected in Sydney tonight. And a very big number expected in Brisbane for Iraq vs Japan tomorrow

The tournament is creating its own traction and has been very successful imo given the pay TV bubble fox have created
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Schultzy wrote:
Sirocco wrote:
apart from the australian games, not one game has attracted over 20,000 people or had over 100,000 watching on foxtel.


its not a lemon, but its hardly a smashing success.


You say that now. The afternoon of the game where that will happen. 25k+ expected in Sydney tonight. And a very big number expected in Brisbane for Iraq vs Japan tomorrow

The tournament is creating its own traction and has been very successful imo given the pay TV bubble fox have created


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Isn't the ABC showing the Quarters, Semis and Finals live? That should boost the ratings...

The tournament is building momentum and I think at the end of it all, we would have won a few more fans in Australia.
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Burztur wrote:
Isn't the ABC showing the Quarters, Semis and Finals live? That should boost the ratings...

The tournament is building momentum and I think at the end of it all, we would have won a few more fans in Australia.


Semis and final.
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Burztur wrote:
Isn't the ABC showing the Quarters, Semis and Finals live? That should boost the ratings...

The tournament is building momentum and I think at the end of it all, we would have won a few more fans in Australia.


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ABC TV will broadcast live all Socceroos matches from the quarter-finals onwards. It will also show the tournament semi-finals and final live.

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Care for a glass of lemonade, Eddy?


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Schultzy wrote:
Burztur wrote:
Isn't the ABC showing the Quarters, Semis and Finals live? That should boost the ratings...

The tournament is building momentum and I think at the end of it all, we would have won a few more fans in Australia.


Semis and final.


I think the Asian Cup has definitely been a success but hampered somewhat by the ABC having limited coverage. Being away for work at the moment without Foxtel I basically can't watch any of the Asian Cup except for Socceroos games and even then I think it's delayed 2 hours?? I guess I was just spoilt by having Fox at home but for people without it you are pretty screwed.
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In the late game in Brisbane I went to (China vs Uzbekistan) they didn't give any news/score updates from the early game. I assume they must think if you want to know the score you'll find it on your mobile?
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Oman wrote:
In the late game in Brisbane I went to (China vs Uzbekistan) they didn't give any news/score updates from the early game. I assume they must think if you want to know the score you'll find it on your mobile?

Yep, i'm ready to call it - this cup competition thing is a farce!
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Asian Cup 2015 is shown throughout 6 Sports Channels in China, according to CSM Media Reserch, a total of 169 million audience watched first 12 matches, China 2-1 Uzbekistan match records 49 million watched the match Live, and another 19 million audience watched the replay, China 1-0 Saudi Arabia match attracted 43 million audience in Live Braodcast.


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[size=8]FUCK YOU EDDIEEEEEEE!!![/size]


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I went to the Asian cup in Thailand et al... some games were 200 people or so, in comparison we have had a fantastic response! This has had many more spectators than the last two

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burgerman wrote:
I went to the Asian cup in Thailand et al... some games were 200 people or so, in comparison we have had a fantastic response! This has had many more spectators than the last two


Tecnically no (2007 will still have more), but there has been a much more even distribution, giving most games a decent atmosphere. That 7.5k in Newy last night was incredible - probably thanks to the delayed FTA broadcast.
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Just wondering - the last three games at Brisbane had about 2500 or so tickets sold where people didn't turn up. Is this a normal phenomena?

Really, if people just wanted to go to the Aussie games, why buy a package when individual games could have been bought for less?
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This cup will be the second worst attended of the past 14 years.

I think Eddie's on to something
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