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JonoMV wrote:Redington Steele wrote:Even if he's heard from 1 or 2 butthurt representatives of agitating countries, which we have no reason to doubt, I really don't think there would be a groundswell of support for kicking us out based on the spurious reason of "Australia hasn't brought much to the relationship".
In our 9 years of AFC membership we've made the Asian Cup final twice, won the Women's Asian Cup, won the Champions League, produced the AFC player of the year in both Men's and Women's (twice) categories, produced the AFC referee of the year, won the AFC team of the year and hosted both Men's and Women's Asian Cups. Also, our league has featured players from, off the top of my head, Korea, Japan, China, Thailand, Bahrain, Indonesia, Iraq and as of today, Singapore.
Realistically, what more could we have "brought to the relationship" in less than 10 years, apart from being a bit worse at football? Probably to do with $$$ not sure, what outside of money we have not done. Apparently we supply the 5th highest TV revenue to the AFC.
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libel wrote:Surely a gee up. x2, just generating "Friday Rage" amongst the great unwashed leading up to Saturday's game. Nothing to see.
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So the AFC chief came out today and said his comments were manipulated. -PB
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TheSelectFew wrote:ricecrackers wrote:little bird told me there's quite a bit to this.
the FFA and Australia havent really brought anything to the AFC table in terms of revenue or sponsorship
its all take
could be Australia's last Asian Cup. Enjoy the moment while its lasts. All you did was rehash the rumours in to a post and claimed they were true. How you havent been banned is all down to JoFFA's incompetence. whoops, looks like you're wrong!!! Quote:Socceroos on the outer in Asia
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The head of Asian football says there is a Gulf nations-led campaign to evict Australia from the confederation.
In curious timing just a day before the Asian Cup final between the Socceroos and South Korea in Sydney, Asian Football Confederation president Sheikh Salman Bin Ibrahim Al-Khalifa revealed not all member countries are happy with Australia's inclusion.
"Australia joined the AFC before I was elected as the president. At that time, the AFC general assembly made no resolution about re-assessing Australia's membership to determine whether it will stay or be evicted," Salman told the Dubai-based newspaper Al-Ittihad.
[size=8]"There are indications that prove that such desire exists among the confederations of west Asia to evict Australia.
"But I also know that the Arabs are not the only ones who are not convinced that Australia's membership in Asia's football is feasible."[/size]
Australia was unanimously endorsed by the AFC executive committee to join in 2006 from the Oceania Football Confederation, with FIFA approving the move.
Football Federation Australia hoped the shift would give Australia a better chance of qualifying for the World Cup and improve the A-League through exposure to regional competitions, especially the AFC Champions League.
Since then, the Socceroos have twice qualified for the World Cup and the Western Sydney Wanderers recently won the Champions League title after beating big-spending Saudi Arabian club Al Hilal in the final. https://au.sports.yahoo.com/football/news/article/-/26152694/socceroos-on-the-outer-in-asia/
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Rock n Roll Im pretty sure the away games would be mad. Especially in Indonesia. Pretty sure youd find meat tenderizers and stuff in there.  
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scott21 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:scott21 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:Nothing new. Growing could mean 1 or 2 more people...
Saying that, we really should be doing more to strengthen our ties with our local ASEAN neighbours. I'm talking more from a diplomatic perspective but also from a pure footballing perspective too. Things like allowing the malaysian youth team play in the NPLQ was along the right track. Maybe some mini-tournaments and the like with club or rep sides as well. This A problem is everything costs money. Ideally we could set up and annual Indo-Australian Cup. The winner of Indonesia domestic vs A-League winner. Just rotate the host country each year. But somebody has to pay. Or our national teams could play in the competitions provided ](*,) If we look at these tournaments http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_AFF_Championshiphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_AFF_ChampionshipThey run for a month. At best we could have an A-League representative team. However managers would flip. Its just poorly timed for us. The other solution is to shut the HAL down in December every two years. The AFF was originally formed to create a club tournament between the ASEAN countries, a vision that still hasn't been fulfilled. Maybe we'd be a mismatch at NT level, but having the next two or three A-League teams that miss out on AFC Champions League to be a part of an ASEAN Champions League running concurrently underneath the higher competition would be an awesome, awesome thing for all parties concerned.
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aussie scott21
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No, they had over 90 000 for the Malaysia Thai game. They dont want to lose that. If we sent a team, that wasnt even our best, and kept winning every tournament this thread would actually be more legitimate.
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scott21 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:scott21 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:Nothing new. Growing could mean 1 or 2 more people...
Saying that, we really should be doing more to strengthen our ties with our local ASEAN neighbours. I'm talking more from a diplomatic perspective but also from a pure footballing perspective too. Things like allowing the malaysian youth team play in the NPLQ was along the right track. Maybe some mini-tournaments and the like with club or rep sides as well. This A problem is everything costs money. Ideally we could set up and annual Indo-Australian Cup. The winner of Indonesia domestic vs A-League winner. Just rotate the host country each year. But somebody has to pay. Or our national teams could play in the competitions provided ](*,) If we look at these tournaments http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_AFF_Championshiphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_AFF_ChampionshipThey run for a month. At best we could have an A-League representative team. However managers would flip. Its just poorly timed for us. The other solution is to shut the HAL down in December every two years. Just thow out an E side.
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aussie scott21
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TheSelectFew wrote:scott21 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:Nothing new. Growing could mean 1 or 2 more people...
Saying that, we really should be doing more to strengthen our ties with our local ASEAN neighbours. I'm talking more from a diplomatic perspective but also from a pure footballing perspective too. Things like allowing the malaysian youth team play in the NPLQ was along the right track. Maybe some mini-tournaments and the like with club or rep sides as well. This A problem is everything costs money. Ideally we could set up and annual Indo-Australian Cup. The winner of Indonesia domestic vs A-League winner. Just rotate the host country each year. But somebody has to pay. Or our national teams could play in the competitions provided ](*,) If we look at these tournaments http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_AFF_Championshiphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_AFF_ChampionshipThey run for a month. At best we could have an A-League representative team. However managers would flip. Its just poorly timed for us. The other solution is to shut the HAL down in December every two years.
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scott21 wrote:TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:Nothing new. Growing could mean 1 or 2 more people...
Saying that, we really should be doing more to strengthen our ties with our local ASEAN neighbours. I'm talking more from a diplomatic perspective but also from a pure footballing perspective too. Things like allowing the malaysian youth team play in the NPLQ was along the right track. Maybe some mini-tournaments and the like with club or rep sides as well. This A problem is everything costs money. Ideally we could set up and annual Indo-Australian Cup. The winner of Indonesia domestic vs A-League winner. Just rotate the host country each year. But somebody has to pay. Or our national teams could play in the competitions provided ](*,)
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aussie scott21
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TheSelectFew wrote:mcjules wrote:Nothing new. Growing could mean 1 or 2 more people...
Saying that, we really should be doing more to strengthen our ties with our local ASEAN neighbours. I'm talking more from a diplomatic perspective but also from a pure footballing perspective too. Things like allowing the malaysian youth team play in the NPLQ was along the right track. Maybe some mini-tournaments and the like with club or rep sides as well. This A problem is everything costs money. Ideally we could set up and annual Indo-Australian Cup. The winner of Indonesia domestic vs A-League winner. Just rotate the host country each year. But somebody has to pay.
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mcjules wrote:Nothing new. Growing could mean 1 or 2 more people...
Saying that, we really should be doing more to strengthen our ties with our local ASEAN neighbours. I'm talking more from a diplomatic perspective but also from a pure footballing perspective too. Things like allowing the malaysian youth team play in the NPLQ was along the right track. Maybe some mini-tournaments and the like with club or rep sides as well. This
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Redington Steele wrote:Even if he's heard from 1 or 2 butthurt representatives of agitating countries, which we have no reason to doubt, I really don't think there would be a groundswell of support for kicking us out based on the spurious reason of "Australia hasn't brought much to the relationship".
In our 9 years of AFC membership we've made the Asian Cup final twice, won the Women's Asian Cup, won the Champions League, produced the AFC player of the year in both Men's and Women's (twice) categories, produced the AFC referee of the year, won the AFC team of the year and hosted both Men's and Women's Asian Cups. Also, our league has featured players from, off the top of my head, Korea, Japan, China, Thailand, Bahrain, Indonesia, Iraq and as of today, Singapore.
Realistically, what more could we have "brought to the relationship" in less than 10 years, apart from being a bit worse at football? Probably to do with $$$ not sure, what outside of money we have not done.
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socceroo_06 wrote:Scoll wrote:Just pull an Israel and join UEFA when the Middle Eastern nations refuse to play against us :lol: Would be the best thing for Australian football to be honest. Could you imagine Europa League/Champions League games in Australia [-o< And clubs complain already about the travel. :lol: :lol: :lol:
WOLLONGONG WOLVES FOR A-LEAGUE EXPANSION!
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From memory Mustar was implying that it was primarily jealousy and envy of our success (at the expense of another Asian country - possibly even a middle eastern country!) that was the basis for someone's desire to kick us out.
The +1 would just be something to help justify it, as would economic reasons (i think the AFC knew the size of Australia's population and economy when we joined!)
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Even if he's heard from 1 or 2 butthurt representatives of agitating countries, which we have no reason to doubt, I really don't think there would be a groundswell of support for kicking us out based on the spurious reason of "Australia hasn't brought much to the relationship".
In our 9 years of AFC membership we've made the Asian Cup final twice, won the Women's Asian Cup, won the Champions League, produced the AFC player of the year in both Men's and Women's (twice) categories, produced the AFC referee of the year, won the AFC team of the year and hosted both Men's and Women's Asian Cups. Also, our league has featured players from, off the top of my head, Korea, Japan, China, Thailand, Bahrain, Indonesia, Iraq and as of today, Singapore.
Realistically, what more could we have "brought to the relationship" in less than 10 years, apart from being a bit worse at football?
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433 wrote:socceroo_06 wrote:Scoll wrote:Just pull an Israel and join UEFA when the Middle Eastern nations refuse to play against us :lol: Would be the best thing for Australian football to be honest. Could you imagine Europa League/Champions League games in Australia [-o< No it wouldn't. We'd never qualify for a world cup again and our club sides wouldn't qualify for the champions league. Nah m8, Euro and WC doubles every four years, and the European Champions League will become a Victory product. #facts.
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socceroo_06 wrote:Scoll wrote:Just pull an Israel and join UEFA when the Middle Eastern nations refuse to play against us :lol: Would be the best thing for Australian football to be honest. Could you imagine Europa League/Champions League games in Australia [-o< No it wouldn't. We'd never qualify for a world cup again and our club sides wouldn't qualify for the champions league.
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regarding the foregin players in the HAL i think it makes sense to leave the quota as is for next season, with a view to implementing a +1 Asian spot the following season.
Clubs already have players under contract for next season and it would cause a number of decent players to leave the league needlessly. Give the clubs a bit of time to plan their recruitment and retention to include an Asian player and it will be a much smoother transition.
Plus, with a documented commitment to implement the +1 rule it should satisfy any Asian chiefs getting narky about quotas.
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Scoll wrote:Just pull an Israel and join UEFA when the Middle Eastern nations refuse to play against us :lol: Would be the best thing for Australian football to be honest. Could you imagine Europa League/Champions League games in Australia [-o<
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Just pull an Israel and join UEFA when the Middle Eastern nations refuse to play against us :lol:
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Post_hoc wrote:I like Alan, he has been spot on and seems to know his stuff, I have no doubt that he has heard these things and is not trying to stir things up.
My reading of his tweets, he seems to be saying that is more than just West Asia, but the East Asia problem with us is the non reciprocal 3+1, which is something the FFA can change fairly easy to keep the East on side Not so easy when a vast majority of clubs have more than 3 non-AFC foreigners on their books.
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I like Alan, he has been spot on and seems to know his stuff, I have no doubt that he has heard these things and is not trying to stir things up.
My reading of his tweets, he seems to be saying that is more than just West Asia, but the East Asia problem with us is the non reciprocal 3+1, which is something the FFA can change fairly easy to keep the East on side
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Not sure an Arab team would have made 2014 if you took Australia out of the AFC. It would have meant one of Iran, South Korea and Uzbekistan would have been split up with one of them joining Japan. Despite losing the playoff to Jordan, the Uzbek's form over the whole campaign was much better so I reckon it would have been them instead of us with Jordan still going on to be walloped by Uruguay.
In 2010, yeah Bahrain or the Saudis would have made it but when you consider that the best Arab team West Asia had to offer back then lost to New Zealand I'm not sure you can argue the Arabs were robbed with a straight face.
The reality is the Arab world is absolutely balls at football at the moment. There is only one good National team from Arabia and the Maghreb atm and to be brutally honest Algeria are basically French anyway, and would also be balls without that influence.
Making things easier for the Arab nations is not going to help them improve.
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paladisious wrote:ricecrackers wrote:little bird told me there's quite a bit to this.
the FFA and Australia havent really brought anything to the AFC table in terms of revenue or sponsorship
its all take
could be Australia's last Asian Cup. Enjoy the moment while its lasts. Seems legit. It's amazing the news you can hear around the monkey bars.
Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here
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ricecrackers wrote:little bird told me there's quite a bit to this.
the FFA and Australia havent really brought anything to the AFC table in terms of revenue or sponsorship
its all take
could be Australia's last Asian Cup. Enjoy the moment while its lasts. Seems legit.
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Just like the Wellington situation, there are people within FIFA that appear to have our backs on these things. Of course we're talking about FIFA here so a knife could be lodged in said back at any time. Would be appropriate though for FIFA to strip the AFC of a place if we were to be booted out of the Federation in this manner.
Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here
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And I wouldnt be surprised it is massive butthurt from the Middle Eastern nations. They will be spewing that they are struggling to qualify for the WC now that we take a spot alongside korea and Japan.
2 East Asian teams in the Asian Cup Final too when there were only 5 in the entire tournament (Australia, China, Korea, Nth Korea, Japan) :lol:
Throw in the ACL win too and they'd be pissed.
These aren't Alan's views. He will just be regurgitating what he is hearing in those circles.
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TheSelectFew wrote:Surprise fucking surprise a Saudi owned network stirring up and trying to kick us out.
And they wonder why no one likes them. Alan Mtasher is actually Aussie and based here. Foxsports had him on the show a few times at the end of the ACL and a bit of a preview for the Asian Cup. He works as a correspondent for some big Middle Eastern TV stations. We had him on Around the Bloc podcast a few times leading up to the ACL final. He has obviously heard some whisperings from his contacts in the Middle East.
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