Saw a friend on facebook became a citizen today, and he posted his pledge. What do people think of our current pledge? Is it fair or slightly bigoted and one dimensional? I don't personally have a view, I just thought people might see it differently.

Pledgers can choose between pledge 1 and 2 depending on whether they would like to swear under God or not.

Pledge 1

From this time forward, under God,
I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
whose democratic beliefs I share,
whose rights and liberties I respect, and
whose laws I will uphold and obey.

Pledge 2

From this time forward
I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people,
whose democratic beliefs I share,
whose rights and liberties I respect, and
whose laws I will uphold and obey

I couldn't possibly see how this could be seen as "bigoted"?

If you think it is then you need to pick up a dictionary.

Edited by 433: 19/6/2015 09:00:26 PM

Yeah right, wrong word. I suppose 'hardline' is probably more what I was thinking.
Why must all new entrants believe in democracy when many here don't? Must they respect our rights or can they just acknowledge them? To what extend must they respect pre-existing rights?

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Yes, you move to a country and you accept their values. It's part of the assimilation process. If you want to move to a country and disregard its values and everything that makes it great, what was the purpose of the move?

Besides, creating enclaves within countries by encouraging the non-assimilation of migrants is very dangerous.

this idiot is claiming democracy/respecting the rights and liberties of others is hardline. WTF
some kind of shit troll or just a deluded commie

No mention of the Queen? I thought people were required to pledge their allegiance to her as well.

Only for certain positions in the public sector, thank fuck.



Edited by melbourne_terrace: 19/6/2015 10:46:57 PM

But great for producing promising/great football products.

Not trolling or a commie :lol:
I merely read the pledge and wasn't sure what I thought of it, and had never heard. Discussion about it... So I brought up the topic.

Fuck me there's some touch people around here.

not touchy
I'm just direct

dont mince words, screw PC

sounds more than fair

Have no issue with it other than the god part.
Some people aren't religious so making them mention someone that probably isn't even real is a little odd.

Using hyperbole as some sort of protest against political correctness. :lol:

Love your work =d>

When do we do this?

-PB

When new Australians get their citizenship.

There are two versions.

You don't have to say the god part if you don't want to.

I think it's only meant as a patriotic thing. Our basic tenants are that we are a democratic nation.

I said the second version (not being theistic) when I became a citizen like 10 years ago.

are you still trying to convince the forum you're not a dummy or yourself?

Represent.

I have no issue with it. OP looking to start a shit storm thread.

Loyalty, Democracy, respecting rights, liberties and laws.

While general, sounds like what anyone would ask for when people live in your home

Not at all... I very clearly gave both versions from the start and asked people's thoughts :lol:
Haven't rammed opinions down people's throats or anything of that nature.

No issue with the pledge.

But the citizenship test is a joke, immigrants shouldn't be forced to regurgitate random historical trivia or prove that they can speak English.

People want a shitstorm and since no one is disagreeing with their point of view you've become the target. :)

Queenslanders :roll:

Agree with your first point, but I think speaking some level of English would be the most important requirement?

My grandmother became a citizen in 77 and she spoke no english

:lol: I know old blokes who migrated here decades ago from Europe, got their citizenship and still can barely speak a word of english.

Apparently it's not too important a skill when your social group barely extends beyond the Veneto Club.

Yeah, I don't think English is tooooo important.

same. My father In law barely speaks english and he got his citizenship in 2002. The speak english part is an issue now due to the oh muslims wont assimilate blah blah blah