Have Melbourne Victory been naughty?


Have Melbourne Victory been naughty?

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It seems the ever pertinent question "How do Melbourne Victory afford the squad they have" has finally been answered.

https://twitter.com/Brisbane_Roar/status/618963774943309824

The Twitter rumour mills are abuzz with word that the club have made some very interesting payments to offshore bank accounts' with talk about "dodgy butchers and o/s accounts".

Are the self-proclaimed biggest club in Australia also the biggest cheats in Australia? Is Melbourne Victory in trouble? I hope not, after the bad rep the league got following the Perth Glory saga in the media, as well as the Jets and the Roar getting into financial strife and Melbourne City still recovering from being dismissed as a "marketing experiment", this is the last thing Australian football needs.

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What's the dodgy butcher a reference to ?
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salmonfc wrote:
It seems the ever pertinent question "How do Melbourne Victory afford the squad they have" has finally been answered.

https://twitter.com/Brisbane_Roar/status/618963774943309824

The Twitter rumour mills are abuzz with word that the club have made some very interesting payments to offshore bank accounts' with talk about "dodgy butchers and o/s accounts".

Are the self-proclaimed biggest club in Australia also the biggest cheats in Australia? Is Melbourne Victory in trouble? I hope not, after the bad rep the league got following the Perth Glory saga in the media, as well as the Jets and the Roar getting into financial strife and Melbourne City still recovering from being dismissed as a "marketing experiment", this is the last thing Australian football needs.


I always enjoy the Twitter spaz's get all worked up almost weekly now about MVFC.

The original source is highly credible "One of your drunk foreign players who knows everyone's payment details told me".

Special people.
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jlm8695 wrote:
salmonfc wrote:
It seems the ever pertinent question "How do Melbourne Victory afford the squad they have" has finally been answered.

https://twitter.com/Brisbane_Roar/status/618963774943309824

The Twitter rumour mills are abuzz with word that the club have made some very interesting payments to offshore bank accounts' with talk about "dodgy butchers and o/s accounts".

Are the self-proclaimed biggest club in Australia also the biggest cheats in Australia? Is Melbourne Victory in trouble? I hope not, after the bad rep the league got following the Perth Glory saga in the media, as well as the Jets and the Roar getting into financial strife and Melbourne City still recovering from being dismissed as a "marketing experiment", this is the last thing Australian football needs.


I always enjoy the Twitter spaz's get all worked up almost weekly now about MVFC.

The original source is highly credible "One of your drunk foreign players who knows everyone's payment details told me".

Special people.

You still have to wonder how the club managed to assemble that squad with the same amount of money as the Jets or the Mariners. Cap breaching isn't that farfetched.

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#TaximusVictorious


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salmonfc wrote:
You still have to wonder how the club managed to assemble that squad with the same amount of money as the Jets or the Mariners.


Have to wonder why the Jets and Mariners are failing to match MV.


Although to be fair to CCM they have to get a whole team using the Cap Floor,

whilst MV have 2 Marquees and Archie outside the Cap, so they only need to find 8 starters within the Full Cap.
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salmonfc wrote:
You still have to wonder how the club managed to assemble that squad with the same amount of money as the Jets or the Mariners. Cap breaching isn't that farfetched.


No you really don't. These players aren't arriving with huge pedigrees, or as the established A League stars they are now. It's easy to make that call in hindsight but the difference between MV and a team like the Jets or the Mariners is the quality of the scouting that took place and the conditions within the squad that allows players to either thrive or to fail.

Look at players like Finkler or FBK, nothing about their football prior to arriving in the A League makes them stand above any other foreign signings, in fact the overwhelming majority wrote Gui off before he even kicked a ball based purely on his resume. It's easy to look back now when they're dominating and wonder how we're fitting them into the cap but without the benefit of hindsight it doesn't look anywhere near as scandalous.

A better question would be how do we manage to keep them together?


Edited by fredsta: 9/7/2015 02:52:45 PM
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Buggalugs - you should have listened... wrote:
salmonfc wrote:
You still have to wonder how the club managed to assemble that squad with the same amount of money as the Jets or the Mariners.


Have to wonder why the Jets and Mariners are failing to match MV.


Although to be fair to CCM they have to get a whole team using the Cap Floor,

whilst MV have 2 Marquees and Archie outside the Cap, so they only need to find 8 starters within the Full Cap.


CCM also can't afford a Guest player or a player being topped-up as a 'Coach'


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lol wtf is that Twitter account.

Sick source bro.

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salmonfc wrote:
jlm8695 wrote:
salmonfc wrote:
It seems the ever pertinent question "How do Melbourne Victory afford the squad they have" has finally been answered.

https://twitter.com/Brisbane_Roar/status/618963774943309824

The Twitter rumour mills are abuzz with word that the club have made some very interesting payments to offshore bank accounts' with talk about "dodgy butchers and o/s accounts".

Are the self-proclaimed biggest club in Australia also the biggest cheats in Australia? Is Melbourne Victory in trouble? I hope not, after the bad rep the league got following the Perth Glory saga in the media, as well as the Jets and the Roar getting into financial strife and Melbourne City still recovering from being dismissed as a "marketing experiment", this is the last thing Australian football needs.


I always enjoy the Twitter spaz's get all worked up almost weekly now about MVFC.

The original source is highly credible "One of your drunk foreign players who knows everyone's payment details told me".

Special people.

You still have to wonder how the club managed to assemble that squad with the same amount of money as the Jets or the Mariners. Cap breaching isn't that farfetched.


the problem is that accountants dont come under the cap. victory have the calculator messi.

 




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salmonfc wrote:
You still have to wonder how the club managed to assemble that squad with the same amount of money as the Jets or the Mariners. Cap breaching isn't that farfetched.

Jets under Tinkler didn't spend full salary cap last season and had no marquee players

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marconi101 wrote:
salmonfc wrote:
You still have to wonder how the club managed to assemble that squad with the same amount of money as the Jets or the Mariners. Cap breaching isn't that farfetched.

Jets under Tinkler didn't spend full salary cap last season and had no marquee players


This.

It comes down to recruitment.

Don't waste money on duds like Zadkovich etc.

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Who cares about the cap, I just wanna watch good football.
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Fredsta wrote:
salmonfc wrote:
You still have to wonder how the club managed to assemble that squad with the same amount of money as the Jets or the Mariners. Cap breaching isn't that farfetched.


No you really don't. These players aren't arriving with huge pedigrees, or as the established A League stars they are now. It's easy to make that call in hindsight but the difference between MV and a team like the Jets or the Mariners is the quality of the scouting that took place and the conditions within the squad that allows players to either thrive or to fail.

Look at players like Finkler or FBK, nothing about their football prior to arriving in the A League makes them stand above any other foreign signings, in fact the overwhelming majority wrote Gui off before he even kicked a ball based purely on his resume. It's easy to look back now when they're dominating and wonder how we're fitting them into the cap but without the benefit of hindsight it doesn't look anywhere near as scandalous.

A better question would be how do we manage to keep them together?


Edited by fredsta: 9/7/2015 02:52:45 PM


They may not be arriving with huge pedigrees but once they arrive and do well and get re-signed for more money, yet the club still doesn't lose any players without immediate replacements, that's where the questions start coming from.
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The fact is if you offer a player $100000 a year to play for Central Coast or Perth or $100000 a year to play for MV, then they will always pick us. There is extra benefit in joining a club that isn't a basket case whilst living in a city that isn't shit.

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Very worrying news
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lukerobinho wrote:
Very worrying news


You support a marketing exercise, I'd say you have more important things to worry about.

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Probably not, if they were dodge they would have secured contracts ages ago for the players instead of in ones and twos over months, surely. I'd also think that knowing what happened to Storm and Glory the Victory management are smart enough to know it's not worth trying.

Occam's razor: Players are just attracted to our club's infrastructure, staff, match day experience and culture, as well as the ability to live in Melbourne.

Ange himself said this year on Fox Sports' Shootout that "there's more to signing at Victory than just money".
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melbourne_terrace wrote:
lukerobinho wrote:
Very worrying news


You support a marketing exercise, I'd say you have more important things to worry about.

:lol: :lol: That's going to take off like 'ganble'. :lol:

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LOL great source mate. Pretty much if anyone on your twitter timeline posted that it's worthy of a thread on here.
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kaufusi wrote:
They may not be arriving with huge pedigrees but once they arrive and do well and get re-signed for more money, yet the club still doesn't lose any players without immediate replacements, that's where the questions start coming from.


Even then though people just overlook actual exits in their haste to label a team cheats because they're seemingly too good on paper. People forget that when Finkler re-signed we lost Traore, Troisi, Rogic from the cap and when FBK signed on we'd just lost Leijer and knew that we'd probably be able to push Archie outside of the cap.
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shocking if what i've heard is true
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TrueAnglo wrote:
shocking if what i've heard is true


It is the rumour mill, what did you hear?
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Victory, over the last 2-3 years, have given an object lesson in list-management. It certainly helps that the bloke looking after squad management is both a very knowledgeable football person, AND a fully qualified accountant.

In short - they don't waste money. It's pretty easy to take Milligan and Berisha out of the list, then come up with a very realistic set of salaries that allows you to keep that squad together.
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Heineken wrote:
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lukerobinho wrote:
Very worrying news


You support a marketing exercise, I'd say you have more important things to worry about.

:lol: :lol: That's going to take off like 'ganble'. :lol:

Ganble. That NEVER gets old.
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Benjamin wrote:
Victory, over the last 2-3 years, have given an object lesson in list-management. It certainly helps that the bloke looking after squad management is both a very knowledgeable football person, AND a fully qualified accountant.

In short - they don't waste money. It's pretty easy to take Milligan and Berisha out of the list, then come up with a very realistic set of salaries that allows you to keep that squad together.

ssh dont you know . Mv are cheating because everyone says we are
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This thread is funny....I don't know how Victory fits everyone under the cap either (and don't really care as long as its legal) but I was rolling on the floor at someones suggestion that one of the reasons players want to play at Victory is because they get to live in Melbourne ...... seriously ????

Yeah everyone loves getting up to cold rainy 5 C degrees every mornings for six months of the year.
I love visiting Melbourne...it is truly an interesting city ..... only place you can have three different seasons in the one day.


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miron mercedes wrote:
This thread is funny....I don't know how Victory fits everyone under the cap either (and don't really care as long as its legal) but I was rolling on the floor at someones suggestion that one of the reasons players want to play at Victory is because they get to live in Melbourne ...... seriously ????

Yeah everyone loves getting up to cold rainy 5 C degrees every mornings for six months of the year.
I love visiting Melbourne...it is truly an interesting city ..... only place you can have three different seasons in the one day.



Did you see any of FBK's interviews around the time he re-signed or after the Grand Final?
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miron mercedes wrote:
This thread is funny....I don't know how Victory fits everyone under the cap either (and don't really care as long as its legal) but I was rolling on the floor at someones suggestion that one of the reasons players want to play at Victory is because they get to live in Melbourne ...... seriously ????


I think you're kidding yourself if you don't think clubs in Melbourne and Sydney are more attractive destinations for players than the other cities tbh, especially if you're looking at the move from an international perspective.
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Fredsta wrote:
miron mercedes wrote:
This thread is funny....I don't know how Victory fits everyone under the cap either (and don't really care as long as its legal) but I was rolling on the floor at someones suggestion that one of the reasons players want to play at Victory is because they get to live in Melbourne ...... seriously ????


I think you're kidding yourself if you don't think clubs in Melbourne and Sydney are more attractive destinations for players than the other cities tbh, especially if you're looking at the move from an international perspective.

Yeah from an International perspective at least, Sydney and Melbourne are easily the most desirable/renowned cities to come to
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