Rise in Queensland babies surviving late-term abortions and being left to die, figures show


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BETHFC wrote:
View from the fence wrote:
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She's not from an abusive family at all.


If there's nothing driving it, she'd be able to kick it.

Didn't say it was her Dad, or one of her brothers, or Uncle Bob, or a family friend.

But when the truth comes out, you can think about how you wrote her off



I'm not a psychologist so i don't know.

She's in and out of prison, got done for stealing and selling phones/laptops etc. She took her son who is not like 4 on a robbery.

Your armchair commentary of a person you don't know however is most presumptuous.


The more you say the more I reckon I'm spot on.

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AzzaMarch wrote:
If you want to reduce late term abortions, provide easy access to safe, legal abortions, and provide adequate s#x education with easy access to contraception.

If you ban abortions, you don't stop them, you just cause death and disfigurement to women.


 




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BETHFC wrote:
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I've never understood the licence to breed thing. Do people without a licence who get pregnant Have forced abortions?


It could work like this.

You forcibly bung in that contraceptive at 13 years old that lasts for 5 years. At 18 you bung another one (forcibly) in and during the next 5 years if they're fit to have children (in accordance with BETHFC's rules and regs for a happy society) and they want to you take it out. Otherwise they get another 5 years dose at 23.

Simple.

BTW I do not think this should happen. I'll leave that to the Nazis and Eugenicists here that think they can decide who gets to have children and who doesn't.



Edited by toughlove: 17/6/2016 04:54:14 PM


:roll: what is your problem with me champ? I don't know who you're a multi of but you bring up topics that were discussed before your arrival here.

What are your thoughts on people who can't afford kids, have drug habits and are abusive having kids? Don't you have a moral objection to kids being brought up in unfit situations?


Sure do but I'm not the one saying people need licenses to have children.

All I did was give you a way to do it .

Listening to you is like listening to Alan Jones talkback radio. Honestly you're a 60 year old man in a what 20? 25 year old body.
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Toughlove wrote:
99 Problems wrote:
I've never understood the licence to breed thing. Do people without a licence who get pregnant Have forced abortions?


It could work like this.

You forcibly bung in that contraceptive at 13 years old that lasts for 5 years. At 18 you bung another one (forcibly) in and during the next 5 years if they're fit to have children (in accordance with BETHFC's rules and regs for a happy society) and they want to you take it out. Otherwise they get another 5 years dose at 23.

Simple.

BTW I do not think this should happen. I'll leave that to the Nazis and Eugenicists here that think they can decide who gets to have children and who doesn't.



Edited by toughlove: 17/6/2016 04:54:14 PM


:roll: what is your problem with me champ? I don't know who you're a multi of but you bring up topics that were discussed before your arrival here.

What are your thoughts on people who can't afford kids, have drug habits and are abusive having kids? Don't you have a moral objection to kids being brought up in unfit situations?
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View from the fence wrote:
BETHFC wrote:
She's not from an abusive family at all.


If there's nothing driving it, she'd be able to kick it.

Didn't say it was her Dad, or one of her brothers, or Uncle Bob, or a family friend.

But when the truth comes out, you can think about how you wrote her off



I'm not a psychologist so i don't know.

She's in and out of prison, got done for stealing and selling phones/laptops etc. She took her son who is not like 4 on a robbery.

Your armchair commentary of a person you don't know however is most presumptuous.
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I dont have a view on this, my wife did , she was anti abortion but her views changed when dealing with some parents who are unfit to be parents or werent ready and see the kids as a burden.
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BETHFC wrote:
AzzaMarch wrote:
pv4 wrote:
I don't really have a view for/against abortions. I think every single case is different and I would hope some genuine thought goes into decisions like that.

What I do think though, is a large amount of societies issues could be solved by the old "licence to breed".


Yeah - can't see any problems with giving govt bureaucracy the right/duty to decide who is ALLOWED to have kids.

No problems at all...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


You need licenses to have certain animals though.....

I have no issue with forcing people to be means tested to have kids. No one should have children they have no way of caring for. My mates sister is a ice addicted idiot with 2 kids that our taxes support.

No ones saying it would be easy to implement, quite the opposite, but it's pretty fucking obvious that some people should not be parents.

I've seen a mother call her infant a c*nt in coles....


Maybe kill the parents so they can't have kids? :lol:
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99 Problems wrote:
I've never understood the licence to breed thing. Do people without a licence who get pregnant Have forced abortions?


It could work like this.

You forcibly bung in that contraceptive at 13 years old that lasts for 5 years. At 18 you bung another one (forcibly) in and during the next 5 years if they're fit to have children (in accordance with BETHFC's rules and regs for a happy society) and they want to you take it out. Otherwise they get another 5 years dose at 23.

Simple.

BTW I do not think this should happen. I'll leave that to the Nazis and Eugenicists here that think they can decide who gets to have children and who doesn't.



Edited by toughlove: 17/6/2016 04:54:14 PM
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BETHFC wrote:
She's not from an abusive family at all.


If there's nothing driving it, she'd be able to kick it.

Didn't say it was her Dad, or one of her brothers, or Uncle Bob, or a family friend.

But when the truth comes out, you can think about how you wrote her off



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View from the fence wrote:
BETHFC wrote:
View from the fence wrote:
BETHFC wrote:
AzzaMarch wrote:
pv4 wrote:
I don't really have a view for/against abortions. I think every single case is different and I would hope some genuine thought goes into decisions like that.

What I do think though, is a large amount of societies issues could be solved by the old "licence to breed".


Yeah - can't see any problems with giving govt bureaucracy the right/duty to decide who is ALLOWED to have kids.

No problems at all...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


You need licenses to have certain animals though.....

I have no issue with forcing people to be means tested to have kids. No one should have children they have no way of caring for. My mates sister is a ice addicted idiot with 2 kids that our taxes support.

No ones saying it would be easy to implement, quite the opposite, but it's pretty fucking obvious that some people should not be parents.


Abused as a kid, did nothing to deserve it

Take drugs to cope

Then punished again by 'society' by being labelled an unfit human

Sickening arrogance


:-k lulwat?


Why does your mate's sister take drugs ?


She's not from an abusive family at all.

She takes drugs because it was cool to smoke cones in high school and one thing led to another.
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BETHFC wrote:
View from the fence wrote:
BETHFC wrote:
AzzaMarch wrote:
pv4 wrote:
I don't really have a view for/against abortions. I think every single case is different and I would hope some genuine thought goes into decisions like that.

What I do think though, is a large amount of societies issues could be solved by the old "licence to breed".


Yeah - can't see any problems with giving govt bureaucracy the right/duty to decide who is ALLOWED to have kids.

No problems at all...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


You need licenses to have certain animals though.....

I have no issue with forcing people to be means tested to have kids. No one should have children they have no way of caring for. My mates sister is a ice addicted idiot with 2 kids that our taxes support.

No ones saying it would be easy to implement, quite the opposite, but it's pretty fucking obvious that some people should not be parents.


Abused as a kid, did nothing to deserve it

Take drugs to cope

Then punished again by 'society' by being labelled an unfit human

Sickening arrogance


:-k lulwat?


Why does your mate's sister take drugs ?

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AzzaMarch wrote:
BETHFC wrote:
AzzaMarch wrote:
pv4 wrote:
I don't really have a view for/against abortions. I think every single case is different and I would hope some genuine thought goes into decisions like that.

What I do think though, is a large amount of societies issues could be solved by the old "licence to breed".


Yeah - can't see any problems with giving govt bureaucracy the right/duty to decide who is ALLOWED to have kids.

No problems at all...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


You need licenses to have certain animals though.....

I have no issue with forcing people to be means tested to have kids. No one should have children they have no way of caring for. My mates sister is a ice addicted idiot with 2 kids that our taxes support.

No ones saying it would be easy to implement, quite the opposite, but it's pretty fucking obvious that some people should not be parents.

I've seen a mother call her infant a c*nt in coles....


Sometimes there are no simple solutions to sh#t situations.

Sometimes the proposed simple solution actually creates worse problems.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.


100%. It does grind my gears though seeing abusive parents with ice addications celebrating having children they end up ignoring/abusing.
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View from the fence wrote:
BETHFC wrote:
AzzaMarch wrote:
pv4 wrote:
I don't really have a view for/against abortions. I think every single case is different and I would hope some genuine thought goes into decisions like that.

What I do think though, is a large amount of societies issues could be solved by the old "licence to breed".


Yeah - can't see any problems with giving govt bureaucracy the right/duty to decide who is ALLOWED to have kids.

No problems at all...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


You need licenses to have certain animals though.....

I have no issue with forcing people to be means tested to have kids. No one should have children they have no way of caring for. My mates sister is a ice addicted idiot with 2 kids that our taxes support.

No ones saying it would be easy to implement, quite the opposite, but it's pretty fucking obvious that some people should not be parents.


Abused as a kid, did nothing to deserve it

Take drugs to cope

Then punished again by 'society' by being labelled an unfit human

Sickening arrogance


:-k lulwat?

Edited by bethfc: 17/6/2016 03:06:53 PM
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BETHFC wrote:
AzzaMarch wrote:
pv4 wrote:
I don't really have a view for/against abortions. I think every single case is different and I would hope some genuine thought goes into decisions like that.

What I do think though, is a large amount of societies issues could be solved by the old "licence to breed".


Yeah - can't see any problems with giving govt bureaucracy the right/duty to decide who is ALLOWED to have kids.

No problems at all...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


You need licenses to have certain animals though.....

I have no issue with forcing people to be means tested to have kids. No one should have children they have no way of caring for. My mates sister is a ice addicted idiot with 2 kids that our taxes support.

No ones saying it would be easy to implement, quite the opposite, but it's pretty fucking obvious that some people should not be parents.

I've seen a mother call her infant a c*nt in coles....


Sometimes there are no simple solutions to sh#t situations.

Sometimes the proposed simple solution actually creates worse problems.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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99 Problems wrote:
I've never understood the licence to breed thing. Do people without a licence who get pregnant Have forced abortions?


Or perhaps forcible sterilisation?

Again, can't see any problems giving govt bureaucracy power to do such things...


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BETHFC wrote:
AzzaMarch wrote:
pv4 wrote:
I don't really have a view for/against abortions. I think every single case is different and I would hope some genuine thought goes into decisions like that.

What I do think though, is a large amount of societies issues could be solved by the old "licence to breed".


Yeah - can't see any problems with giving govt bureaucracy the right/duty to decide who is ALLOWED to have kids.

No problems at all...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


You need licenses to have certain animals though.....

I have no issue with forcing people to be means tested to have kids. No one should have children they have no way of caring for. My mates sister is a ice addicted idiot with 2 kids that our taxes support.

No ones saying it would be easy to implement, quite the opposite, but it's pretty fucking obvious that some people should not be parents.


Abused as a kid, did nothing to deserve it

Take drugs to cope

Then punished again by 'society' by being labelled an unfit human

Sickening arrogance

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I've never understood the licence to breed thing. Do people without a licence who get pregnant Have forced abortions?
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AzzaMarch wrote:
pv4 wrote:
I don't really have a view for/against abortions. I think every single case is different and I would hope some genuine thought goes into decisions like that.

What I do think though, is a large amount of societies issues could be solved by the old "licence to breed".


Yeah - can't see any problems with giving govt bureaucracy the right/duty to decide who is ALLOWED to have kids.

No problems at all...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


You need licenses to have certain animals though.....

I have no issue with forcing people to be means tested to have kids. No one should have children they have no way of caring for. My mates sister is a ice addicted idiot with 2 kids that our taxes support.

No ones saying it would be easy to implement, quite the opposite, but it's pretty fucking obvious that some people should not be parents.

I've seen a mother call her infant a c*nt in coles....
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View from the fence wrote:
pv4 wrote:
AzzaMarch wrote:
pv4 wrote:
I don't really have a view for/against abortions. I think every single case is different and I would hope some genuine thought goes into decisions like that.

What I do think though, is a large amount of societies issues could be solved by the old "licence to breed".


Yeah - can't see any problems with giving govt bureaucracy the right/duty to decide who is ALLOWED to have kids.

No problems at all...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Surely a good start would be things like both people on welfare can't get said licence. I dunno, I understand how intense it could get in reality but there are people that I'm sure we all know in our lives and you just go "you just should NOT have been allowed to breed".


Would you be allowed to continue the pregnancy if you lost your job at say 19 weeks ?


I don't have all the answers :lol:
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Lets just separate all men and all women from each other and only although sex between a male and female so that an offspring can be produced to be brought up in a properly controlled government facility to ensure only the best reproduce and all children get the best possible education to allow them to be a fully productive member of society. I am sure it would solve all the problems of the world.

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pv4 wrote:
AzzaMarch wrote:
pv4 wrote:
I don't really have a view for/against abortions. I think every single case is different and I would hope some genuine thought goes into decisions like that.

What I do think though, is a large amount of societies issues could be solved by the old "licence to breed".


Yeah - can't see any problems with giving govt bureaucracy the right/duty to decide who is ALLOWED to have kids.

No problems at all...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Surely a good start would be things like both people on welfare can't get said licence. I dunno, I understand how intense it could get in reality but there are people that I'm sure we all know in our lives and you just go "you just should NOT have been allowed to breed".


Would you be allowed to continue the pregnancy if you lost your job at say 19 weeks ?

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AzzaMarch wrote:
pv4 wrote:
I don't really have a view for/against abortions. I think every single case is different and I would hope some genuine thought goes into decisions like that.

What I do think though, is a large amount of societies issues could be solved by the old "licence to breed".


Yeah - can't see any problems with giving govt bureaucracy the right/duty to decide who is ALLOWED to have kids.

No problems at all...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Surely a good start would be things like both people on welfare can't get said licence. I dunno, I understand how intense it could get in reality but there are people that I'm sure we all know in our lives and you just go "you just should NOT have been allowed to breed".
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AzzaMarch wrote:
I refuse to believe you are that dumb. But if you need it spelled out, here goes:

More contraception & education = less abortions
More abortion clinics = less late-term abortions


That's not what you said , you said that more abortion services means less overall abortion . Countries like Cuba and Russia where abortion is legal have some of the highest incidence of abortion in the world.

Obviously contraception is key but the idea that abortion services correlates with less incidence of abortion is utterly ridiculous.
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No Sex outside Marriage = No Abortions


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No Sex outside Marriage = No Abortions

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rusty wrote:
AzzaMarch wrote:
[quote=pv4]Yeah - can't see any problems with giving govt bureaucracy the right/duty to decide who is ALLOWED to have kids.

No problems at all...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Again, the evidence here is very clear - the more access to education, contraceptives, and abortion services you give teenagers, the lower rates of overall abortion, and the lower rates of late-term abortions you have.

Edited by AzzaMarch: 17/6/2016 10:36:28 AM


Love the logic, more abortion clinics = less abortion



I refuse to believe you are that dumb. But if you need it spelled out, here goes:

More contraception & education = less abortions
More abortion clinics = less late-term abortions
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AzzaMarch wrote:
[quote=pv4]Yeah - can't see any problems with giving govt bureaucracy the right/duty to decide who is ALLOWED to have kids.

No problems at all...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Again, the evidence here is very clear - the more access to education, contraceptives, and abortion services you give teenagers, the lower rates of overall abortion, and the lower rates of late-term abortions you have.

Edited by AzzaMarch: 17/6/2016 10:36:28 AM


Love the logic, more abortion clinics = less abortion


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pv4 wrote:
I don't really have a view for/against abortions. I think every single case is different and I would hope some genuine thought goes into decisions like that.

What I do think though, is a large amount of societies issues could be solved by the old "licence to breed".


Yeah - can't see any problems with giving govt bureaucracy the right/duty to decide who is ALLOWED to have kids.

No problems at all...

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Again, the evidence here is very clear - the more access to education, contraceptives, and abortion services you give teenagers, the lower rates of overall abortion, and the lower rates of late-term abortions you have.

Edited by AzzaMarch: 17/6/2016 10:36:28 AM
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I don't really have a view for/against abortions. I think every single case is different and I would hope some genuine thought goes into decisions like that.

What I do think though, is a large amount of societies issues could be solved by the old "licence to breed".
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