My wife is Vegan. She thought about it for years, did her research and slowly transitioned to a vegan lifestyle. In my opinion it is the best healthy lifestyle diet to be on, reducing many of the leading causes of early death.

Here's a quick snippet on the kind of work Salatin does.

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Mat Lalonde is a bit harder to find links for because he's bit of an autist genius who lectures at Harvard and leaves a lot vague whilst being certain in his conclusions.

I can't find the exact paper he wrote about desertification.

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Shoot me some links one day

Yeah it's definitely going to happen one day and like the articles says not for decades. Pretty amazing tech though.

http://www.sciencealert.com/lab-grown-burger-patty-cost-drops-from-325-000-to-12

Cost of lab-grown burger patty drops from $325,000 to $11.36

Turns out you need land to farm.

Someone get this bloke a MENSA membership.

Even then, you'd still have to use the land for sustainable farming.

Don't have any offhand, but Joel Salatin is a good resource for sustainable farming and Mathew Lalonde has done extensive works on desertification.

As far as I know lab grown meat still really struggles to produce the sort of fat within the meat that gives it the flavour/authenticity people want. It's been a year or two since I read about it. I'd be willing to try it but not pay the $300,000 a hamburger would still cost aha

I guess whether they get it right in the end will come down to whether people are willing to eat it and how much it costs to produce comparatively to farming

I'll pay that one. Keep in mind, that's the douchebag Vegans

I eat meat, as well as those substitutes. None of them satisfy meat cravings!

I know, just being a smartass.

Vegan joke: How do you know if someone is a vegan? Don't worry, they'll tell you :lol:

Just throwing it out there, Sport :)

Damn vegans trying to guilt trip people into being vegans ;)

No, but you can try yummy meat subsitutes like tempeh, eggplant and soy to satisfy your meat craving

Can we 3D-print meat yet ?

I second this motion. If I had kids, I'd give them the choice. If they chose to eat meat, that's fine with me.

Lab-grown meat will resolve this issue in the next 20 years.

You will be able to eat meat AND not kill any animals.

And lets not forget if the whole world went vegan then Australia would be fucked. Livestock is a huge export and most of our land is unfit for growing crops.

I don't have a link, this is what I got out of one my subjects. You need a balance between the two.

Genuinely interested in links for both statements?

Bugs like crickets will be a staple in decades ...it's already happening in Asia
Meat & dairy diets are environmentally unsustainable.

Edited by Socawho: 7/7/2016 11:46:14 PM

Modern methods of meat & diary diets are environmentally unsustainable. You may pay more to eat it, but there are meat and diary farming methods that are not only sustainable, they are environmentally beneficial.

All methods of agriculture required to sustain plant-only diets are very unsustainable, and the leading cause of desertification.

Meat & dairy diets are environmentally unsustainable.

Plants and seeds have feelings too, guys.

Being a vegan isn't good for the environment.

Didn't think you can murder animals

After watching cowspiracy I'll happily admit I've flirted with the idea and have cut back meat & dairy a fair bit (tbf I was barely consuming milk as is).

Been taking just a random multivitamin (inc B12) to help adjust

But yeah, lamb is my weakness. The main things stopping me from being a vegan for the good of the enviornment is my laziness, lamb & eggs (and if it counts? Honey)

Umm... you do realise Hitler was a vegetarian yeah???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler_and_vegetarianism

Absolutely. There's really no debate on whether adults should be able to choose veganism for themselves or not.

I'm a big believer on pushing veganism on kids being treated in the same way as any other kind of child abuse such as faith healing and excessive discipline, though.