Thats wrong 14 teams is enough 
4.01Minimum number of matches perteam in national top division(including league, cuptournament, and grand final ifapplicable)Minimum 27 Includes cupmatches
4.02Duration of national top division(including league, cup tournamentand grand final if applicable)Minimum 8 monthsMA should identifywhich competition isthe national topdivision league andnational cupcompetition
http://www.the-afc.com/uploads/afc/files/entry_manual_entry_manual_for_afc_club_competitions_2017-2020_09112016.pdf

It even says "grand final" special for Straya. 
Every team would play 26 plus finals which are our cup. FFA Cup is not included. Our 3 (or even 4) teams would all play 26 +1 finals at least. 

@ AJF

No one had said they had to own their own grounds so introducing the HAL clubs kinda deflected the discussion unnecessarily. They just havd to be up to a certain (minimum) standard.

And expansion does increase the number of rounds - we're never playing much less than 27 rounds as it's already too short (the AFC also have guidelines on this plus fewer games round reduce the TV contract value)

12 teams = 33 rounds
14 teams = 26
16 teams = 30
18 teams = 34

I hope we can get to 16 teams with p/r

Sorry, I didn't make it about HAL, I just pointed out no HAL teams have their own stadiums so this cant be used as an excuse to try limit entry of other teams. 

Expansion doesn't mean more rounds, it means less repetition as teams wont play each other 3 times so this wont have any impact on season length.

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@ AJF

You made it about the HAL not me?

I was talking about the need to upgrade small stadiums so teams could play there, you brought up the HAL?

And yes, Suncorp is fully utilised in summer by one A League team, the Global Tens and the expansion as a concert venue. Even Roar can't get a full fixture list in there and regularly move home games away.

And expansion will extend the A league season increasing the period football overlaps with Union and league

80% of twice as much is more

Are you seriously saying Suncorp is fully utilized during the summer? Perhaps you should check Suncorps event calendar, they could easily host a second HAL team if a big Brisbane City wanted to play in a big stadium with lights full of empty seats .

Plus not sure what the facination is with stadiums. If Ballarat was to get in, they could use their existing facility as it is a great facility and appropriate for their area. Lights might need upgrading but big deal. If another Melbourne team made it, why couldn't they use Lakeside (the original home of Victory). There are any number of similar smaller stadiums in each stte that could easily be upgraded. 

As a final correction, this isnt a bitch about HAL teams, it is the stupid fascination many people have with playing in big empty stadiums  because apparently the lights are TV ready. Would suggest small stadiums like Lakeside would provide better viewing and atmosphere for TV for majority of teams like Melb City who struggle to get 10K to non-derby matches..

Reading those tweets provides great insight on not only a prospective licensee's views of P&R, but most probably on the current ten licensees.

They have collectively lost over $200 million over the past 12 years.

Do not expect them to do anything which impinges on them making up even a tiny bit of that shortfall.

That means, without doubt, do not expect them to willingly share revenues with tinpot clubs.

HA ha AdamOsAussies' serial pest tweeting is basically the reason I stopped going on twitter for football content

The whole point is we need to plan for this like you said. If everyone for example knows the criteria of stadiums, lighting, money expected etc etc etc then clubs will invest. If there is forward thinking and something to aim for then clubs will invest ie We aim to have a 2nd tier in 5 yrs time or whatever the time frame is, people will work towards it. Right now of course there would be few clubs ready to come up with 12m, that's not the point. Why would clubs look to invest and plan for something on the back of a maybe and no certainty or any criteria. 

@ RBB

That's exactly what I'm saying. We should have a mix of big and small stadiums. That's exactly MY point.

But those small stadiums aren't ready - most don't even have floodlights fit for tv.

But Dolphin RL did it and they have zero prospect of getting promotion to the NRL. So it can be done so rather than slag Cavallucci off for the comment I'm saying we accept the criticism and go build/expand/redevelop small stadiums. I'd go as far as prioritising clubs with their own stadiums not those planning to refurbish a competitors - I'd like to see the look on Cavallucci'a face then lol

The best thing about P&R will be the investment that will be done at 2nd & 3rd tier level and this will also push those at the A-league level to maintain and exceed their own standards.

P&R Timmy

Exactly that's where they should play. Not friggin move to the nearest big stadium.

But there aren't any facilities in those two City's so instead of letting RL suck up all the grants we need to access that cash and redevelop what we have and what we can.

Brisbane City could have their own boutique stadium at Spencer 'Corporate Travel Managenent' Park but instead they've chosen to refurbish a rugby ground. Why???

And Strikers have a perfect location but plan on moving into Suncorp where there is literally no room.

Pen Power will be taking their FFA Cup game v City to Dolphin Park, a RL ground. The pattern needs breaking.

The FFA (unlikely) or the AAFC need a plan, it's not hard but it won't happen on its own

@waz

We have countless bids offering up to build stadium because their is an opportunity for a HAL side. Give some of the NPL sides a reason to invest through pro/rel and they just might.

It's abit rich for Cavallucci to throw that card out their when all the FCBC investors will be doing is giving a lick of paint, some new seats, etc. to someone else Stadium Down the street.

The infrastructure is already 90% there at Ballymore, some of these other clubs will have to build from the ground up.

There is a huge difference in making over a stadium as opposed to building grandstands etc.

That's the AFL and ARL mentality coming through into the A-League.

They want all this equalisation crap so that all clubs have an equal chance to win over a couple of seasons.

Time for this thinking to go.

As much I would like all teams to have a go at the title, it makes more sense that the league should have its 1-3 big clubs and then the rest to fill out the ladder.

It doesn't make much difference regardless. Every league in the world has its share of big and small clubs. While it's nice to have every club Equalized (Where have I heard that B4) it's not possible, nor should we aim for that. The biggest and best will rise to that position over time. Most clubs in big leagues are built off the back of tv money. Nothing wrong with some teams with small stadiums that are packed with great atmosphere. If in the end they aren't good enough they will get relegated.

Ipswich or Toowoomba

@ AJF

That's a flippant statement that misses a point that needs addressing.

But every HAL team has its own broadcast ready stadium, it's not about owning it it's about having access to one, and one quickly (within 3-6 months)

So let's say Strikers get promoted where will they play? Not Suncorp because there is no room, so where?

And what if the side promoted is from Ipswich or Toowoomba is promoted where would they play? Brisbane?

What if 4 Victorian sides get promoted - are they all going to try and play out of AAMI park. That would be fucking madness. Imagine a side from Ballarat playing there lol

It's a valid question and the HAL teams are not relevant to the discussion - they were all selected/created based on where the stadiums were but p/r doesn't work that way - and the NPL sides have the basic infrastructure they just need a plan and funding to develop that.

There's a place called Dolphin park in Brisbane's north, it's a great little stadium built for a lower tier RL team - why can't every second division team have a stadium like that then this question goes away??

Or we can just bitch about HAL sides?

Show me which HAL clubs have their own (not leased) broadcast ready stadium

The political scene up here is hotting up with a real race for the Premier's chair on so, as you say, a real chance for the FFA to put some serious effort into lobbying for a new/upgraded stadium in the Brisbane metrop area. Pity they (the FFA) can only do one thing at a time, just not sure what that one thing is at the moment!

@ RBB

Agree. Again another ffa stuff-up over what the expansion criteria is and how the process runs. Cavallucci and Co basically seem to have pitched to FoxSports again and again to the point where Fox only see one credible brisbane bid.

Mind you, the stadium situation is still the biggest roadblock and there is now a political interest (due to the coming election) in putting a stadium on the agenda. Roar, the FFA and BNE2 would be smart in combining efforts to try and make that happen.

This is exactly the entitlement that we need to weed out. This sort of thinking is dragging football down and causing this stagnation and malaise. What's worse is that he is supposed to be a "football" person and he still doesn't get it. 

On someone's earlier comment "reading between the lines, FCBC see themselves as already in" .... that is astute, they do, and they do believe that. The battle for a second Brisbane team is over as far as they are concerned and as far as Fox are concerned.

"Come up with a list of NPL clubs that can come up with $12m within 2 months?"

"The NPL won't be ready for promotion for ten years"

"Come up with a list of NPL clubs that can come up with a broadcast ready stadium today"

To be fair to Cavallucci all these are fair statements but re-enforce the wrong thinking.

We need a commitment to a pyramid system that changes thinking to "how do we make it work". P/R doesn't exist in NPL/BPL QLD so Cavallucci is regurgitating the current local situation.

The NPL is not the second tier of football, at best it's the third tier - that's why a national second division is crucial and must run in parallel to the HAL. Within 10 years it can be ready.

Stadiums are not broadcast ready in the second tier, correct - no argument. Some clubs don't even have stadiums but again why can't we start improvements on that - lights, big screens, temporary stand planning, infrastructure investment?? A 11k minimum capacity can't be that hard?

The problem is not what Cavallucci has said, bug that this is the thinking of the ffa who care about themselves, the Socceroos and only see the HAL as a cash cow to find the first two b

@scott

Cheers for that

I find Twitter so confusing. It's like a labyrinth

IM not sure if this answers your question....  

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   The league is expanding by 2 licences, if you have the skills and know it all, back a club and put in your bid!

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   Further, come up with another list that can deliver a broadcast ready stadium with the correct capacity within the same time

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   I can assure you it is the case. Come up with list of NPL clubs that within 2 months notification can source $12M annual budget for A-League

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Someone quiz him a hypothetical if HAL expansion happened in the form of a second division would Brisbane city still want part and if he would still invest?

Reading those tweets it's appears to me that Brisbane City have been given the green light and they'll be in the league in 12 months with $12mill and a broadcast/capacity standard stadium(although this stadium tweet appears deleted now)

Brisbane City not part of the AAFC. Getting absolutely taken to the cleaners.