Good video

yes I certainly would. 

So that would assume that you would follow SFC up and down the divisions as they rise and fall?

All aspects which can change without folding the league and losing fans like myself who will never support a local team again. 

The closed system, franchise only, license fee paying, geographically approved teams are the enemy of the game.

What's the point of having something shiny at the top if below that it's burnt to ash and cinders?

I love this narrative. Then what happens? Pro/rel next year? 

Can we stop posting about "pro AFL media" all the time please? Anyone who advocates for the folding of the only professional football competition Australia had is the real enemy of the game.

Even if this post was tounge in cheek, from chaos breeds creativity - I say set it alight. 

You're not wrong; the problem is that this is what the league was founded on - so, the owners (rightfully) should have all the power because they are the ones who lose money every year to keep the league afloat. Fox Sports only give TV money based on 1) the amount of clubs and 2) always having clubs in major regions. (Melbourne, Bris, Syd)

To implement pro/rel, these dependencies would need to change. I don't see an easy pathway to do so.

Great video.

The APFCA is essentially a cartel. It wants full control of the HAL to protect their own interests. 

Rude. Seeing the AFL violence just reaffirms the need for self defence to be mandatory because it has gotten embarrassing.. 

https://youtu.be/ArGOKk2a5Zk

Sums up why P&R is needed.

The EPL clubs had the opportunity to make it a closed system and voted against it as they recognised that it would result in the financial collapse of the EPL.

Weird that the opposite is true for Victoria. Labor is the infrastructure leaders down here. 


I don't think the FFA can have veto power over the HAL if they are to comply with AFC statutes. 

Daley is a racist, NSW Labor are shit, I want a new stadium, I believe in progressive capitalism and social equality, this best balances my ideals. If Labor want my vote they will need to be more progressive, have a bolder vision of development, infrastructure and technology, research etc. The reality is that after development and infrastructure ground to a halt in NSW, Gladys has got it moving again and you can see it everywhere, metros, light rail, roads, stadiums, hospitals, high density city living, airports, hospitals, museums. The only things I don't like are the lockout laws and festivals laws but they will sort themselves out once the culture(toxic masculinity) in NSW sorts itself out. 

Socialism is great but you still need to be able to pay for it.

Boom!

Agree.

That's what I was wondering.  I had Socialist Alliance first then Labour.  

agree. ridiculous thread.


how can anyone who votes for the socialists preference the Libs above Labor? Geez. 

They do specify it (AFC) in their statutes however they also say that granting licences to promoted clubs may also depend on financial/infrastructure issues that are to be reviewed and ratified by the organisation that controls the league [APFCA or some other conglomerate]. 

So the future make-up of the independent league body may veto any pro/rel statute on the basis of the business case not stacking up. This will, in turn, cause another shit-fight / revolt by the organisation representing the Div 2 and below [AAFC] arguing that the opposite is true and that the AFC/FIFA step in. 

The "cycle of violence" cannot be disrupted until the APFCA & AAFC see eye-to-eye or a separate independent body devoid of vested interests takes control of the HAL. 

I have no issue with the HAL being set-up similarly to the EPL, but the issue is power in numbers. The EPL has 20 foundational club members who each can vote on rule changes, with a 2/3rds majority ruling the day. 

Maybe so .... but I doubt the "franchise" system will still exist in its current form. Depends upon whether the owners want it .Its all speculation until something is announced anyway.
BTW.... I believe those FIFA and AFC statutes we have to comply with specify there should be Promotion and Relegation etc .....

Im on the same boat, the product has gotten stale eventually after promising good years early on, but with poor planning for expansion and the FFA ignoring building the next the tier we are here.

It's very difficult to have a closed league when the bottom have nothing to play for, how could they keep it up with the same way if its not exciting enough.

A league is strong as it's bottom teams, without consequence it becomes mediocre. 

After my time traveling around the world and see where football sits here, it does feel like football is at the arse end of the world for it unfortunately. 

Gotta build it to sell it off rofl

-PB

Socialist alliance but I put the Libs above Labor, at least that we get things built.

Did you vote for Gladys over the weekend?

tbh, I'm in the same boat as Muz - I just don't care anymore. There is zero appetite from the decision makers to implement anything close to a global standard for football in this country. I just don't understand how anyone can stand there and, with a straight face, tell me that the decisions that have been made over the last 15 or so years have been in the game's best interests.

Plenty of Aussies support clubs of varying sizes around the world - how many people support Leeds in this country, a team that hasn't played top flight football for almost 20 years? NPL clubs aren't all of a sudden becoming extinct because they get relegated from NPL1 to NPL2 in the leagues around the country.

For those people whinging about how they won't have a team if the A-League goes bust - newsflash, unless you live in the inner suburbs of Melbourne or Sydney, the FFA isn't interested in you anyway. At least in an open league structure there is the opportunity for an extremely well run club from a regional centre to make it to the big time - little old Bournemouth, with a population of ~185k people, seems to be doing alright against the mega rich oligarchies from Manchester, Liverpool and London.

We're unique alright - unique in that we think we know better than the rest of the world, yet continue to cock it up. You just have to look at the jingoism that sprouts up every Olympics when we don't win every medal in the pool - we're the best swimmers in the world after all, how on Earth can we be beaten by swimmers from China, USA, Holland etc etc. It must be steroids!

I'm seriously jaded, and I say that as a platinum Victory member - I've put my money where my mouth is and have supported the game at both the lowest and highest levels, and I'm left with this dumpster fire.

should we get someone from overseas to run the a league? 

I would be more inclined to try and catch some of Melbourne's famed alcohol-fueled violence(so maybe catch an AFL match) and then see if I can see some gang violence after.

You know, when in Rome and all that.

Correct, the FFA is the FIFA & AFC recognised governing body of Football in Australia and they ratify the league to comply with AFC & FIFA statutes. 

The AAFC/APFCA/PFA etc. are operational organisations that control/will control the running of certain aspects of the game in Australia be it the league(s), players union etc. 

Use it tok skip past the stadium and go to the many wonderful bars and restaurants open after 9pm.

I think the FFA still have to verify the league.  Dropping something like that may cause them not to ratify the league making it a break away. 

I know that div 2 in the USA had to be ratified by the USSF during the NASL/USL fight.  Even though USSF had no say in how either league was run.  

Just like collapsing the NSL did ... oh wait.