Collapse the A-league.


Collapse the A-league.

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Bit of a tongue in cheek topic but after knobhead has come out and said there's going to be no pro/rel until 2034 at the earliest I'm completely over it.

The owners don't want it and the FFA don't want it.  And we're sitting here bored out of our scones.

The only way forward I see is a complete slash and burn of the current setup.  I can't stand the current malaise surrounding the A-league at the moment. 

Besides watching the occasional highlights package on Fox I've completely lost interest.  Our youth teams are fucked, we can't win a game in the ACL and if it weren't for the 48 team world cup format coming up we'd be lucky to qualify for the next one.

I want Fox to offer a third or even a quarter of the cash next TV deal and I want the A-League to collapse holus bolus.

Maybe then from the ashes can something half decent get built from the ground up.

Fuck them all.





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Might be difficult to come back from a complete collapse.  We'd probably end up with the NSL Mark II.

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bettega - 25 Mar 2019 4:23 PM
Might be difficult to come back from a complete collapse.  We'd probably end up with the NSL Mark II.

The trick would be to re-form it but with 2 divisions from the start.  Calve off a certain amount from the TV deal to fund the travel of the teams from the second division which is what ever fucker who is against a 2nd division seems to fixate on.  "What about the cost, who's going to pay for it?"  Blah, blah blah.  FMD!

With travel paid for we can stop fucking about and get on with it how it's all going to work.

Honestly, I'll be in the ground before these cunce get on with it.





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I’ll stick with my theme ...

Leave the HAL alone (for now) but what the fuck are the AAFC doing with that second division?

If we had that this p/r debate has some meaning, without it there’s no real discussion.

It looks like an utter clusterfuck
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Hmmm didnt the NSL collapse when Perth were strong and expansion was seen as a saviour?
Technically I see independence as a new start.

If all that happens is same same but different .Then collapse or shrinkage to irrelevance will follow.

Whatever happens with a new independent HAL,there has to be a long term plan that fans can get behind.
That plan must be merit based and allow any worthy club to reach the top tier .

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@Muz

We can’t have our time again but that dual division approach was the way we should have gone from day 1 of the re-born HAL.

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Waz - 25 Mar 2019 4:37 PM
@Muz We can’t have our time again but that dual division approach was the way we should have gone from day 1 of the re-born HAL.

We can have our time again.  

If no one watches it, if Fox refuse to pay top dollar it will fall over.  (It's already tanking badly now.)

Imagine if Fox said at the next TV deal '$10 million a year, take it or leave it"?.

I would laugh my head off.




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Munrubenmuz - 25 Mar 2019 4:43 PM
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We can have our time again.  

If no one watches it, if Fox refuse to pay top dollar it will fall over.  (It's already tanking badly now.)

Imagine if Fox said at the next TV deal '$10 million a year, take it or leave it"?.

I would laugh my head off.


And what do we do with the thousands of fans who will be lost to the game if someone says nope, your team doesn't exist anymore. 

Burning everything to the ground again is only going to set us further back. We need to link the old and the new to move forward. 
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jlm8695 - 25 Mar 2019 4:54 PM
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And what do we do with the thousands of fans who will be lost to the game if someone says nope, your team doesn't exist anymore. 

Burning everything to the ground again is only going to set us further back. We need to link the old and the new to move forward. 

There's going to be no link mate.  Not now, not ever.  There'll always be an excuse not to do it.  The FFA don't want pro rel and the owners don't want it.  

I am, or I should say I was one of those fans that loved the A-league but I'm done now..  


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jlm8695 - 25 Mar 2019 4:54 PM
Munrubenmuz - 25 Mar 2019 4:43 PM

And what do we do with the thousands of fans who will be lost to the game 
You mean like the many thousands lost over the last 2 seasons? The way its going there will be nothing left to loose in the next few years










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The APFCA have said in their blueprint that "a fully expanded League model must be achieved and sustained before the introduction of promotion and relegation can be considered."

Club owners are not going to vote for their clubs to be at risk of relegation. 
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and how would the AFC react when the league collapse? they'll probably send us to the very bottom of the pyramid. no champions league games what so ever

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HeyItsRobbie - 25 Mar 2019 4:42 PM
and how would the AFC react when the league collapse? they'll probably send us to the very bottom of the pyramid. no champions league games what so ever

Who cares mate.  We can't win a game, no bastard goes because they don't give a shit and it costs the clubs a fortune to compete.


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Munrubenmuz - 25 Mar 2019 4:44 PM
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Who cares mate.  We can't win a game, no bastard goes because they don't give a shit and it costs the clubs a fortune to compete.

That's not entirely accurate. Each club gets US$60k per stage (group, round of 16, quarters, etc) for travel expenses. They then get US$50K for every win and US$10K for every draw. If they make it to the round of 16 they get an addition US$100K. Then another US$150K for the quarters, and US$250K for the semis. The winner of the whole thing gets US$4M and the runner up gets US$2M.
The stadium fees could hurt a bit as they don't get the ticket sales to make it worth while. However, considering we don't typically do that well in the comp I doubt any club has ever really been out of pocket that much. It's more that we don't have the capacity to actually be genuinely competitive any more.
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Munrubenmuz - 25 Mar 2019 4:44 PM

That's not entirely accurate. Each club gets US$60k per stage (group, round of 16, quarters, etc) for travel expenses. They then get US$50K for every win and US$10K for every draw. If they make it to the round of 16 they get an addition US$100K. Then another US$150K for the quarters, and US$250K for the semis. The winner of the whole thing gets US$4M and the runner up gets US$2M.
The stadium fees could hurt a bit as they don't get the ticket sales to make it worth while. However, considering we don't typically do that well in the comp I doubt any club has ever really been out of pocket that much. It's more that we don't have the capacity to actually be genuinely competitive any more.

I've read that unless they make the quarters it costs them.  And seeing we never even get out of the group it's a big fat loss.
  


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The club owners will never green-light pro/rel. Simple as that. 

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socceroo_06 - 25 Mar 2019 4:46 PM
The club owners will never green-light pro/rel. Simple as that. 

Which is why it needs to collapse.


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Munrubenmuz - 25 Mar 2019 4:54 PM
socceroo_06 - 25 Mar 2019 4:46 PM

Which is why it needs to collapse.

No, it doesn't need a collapse.

The current club's licences "in theory" run till 2034, however, the FFA has the power to change that. So technically they could shorten the horizon to the next 3 years and say in 3 years time we will be implementing pro/rel. Are you onboard? If not, hand back your licence and we will find a new buyer. 



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socceroo_06 - 25 Mar 2019 5:08 PM
Munrubenmuz - 25 Mar 2019 4:54 PM

No, it doesn't need a collapse.

The current club's licences "in theory" run till 2034, however, the FFA has the power to change that. So technically they could shorten the horizon to the next 3 years and say in 3 years time we will be implementing pro/rel. Are you onboard? If not, hand back your licence and we will find a new buyer. 



Am I the only one who realizes the FFA will have little power over clubs going forward  ?
If the owners take over the A-league there will be no "franchises" controlled by FFA ...so why are you guys constantly talking as though the FFA counts in this conversation ...am I missing something ?

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miron mercedes - 25 Mar 2019 9:04 PM
socceroo_06 - 25 Mar 2019 5:08 PM

Am I the only one who realizes the FFA will have little power over clubs going forward  ?
If the owners take over the A-league there will be no "franchises" controlled by FFA ...so why are you guys constantly talking as though the FFA counts in this conversation ...am I missing something ?

Depends on what they agree.  I think FFA is still trying to negotiate a veto power as part of the handover.

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Daley is a racist, NSW Labor are shit, I want a new stadium, I believe in progressive capitalism and social equality, this best balances my ideals. If Labor want my vote they will need to be more progressive, have a bolder vision of development, infrastructure and technology, research etc. The reality is that after development and infrastructure ground to a halt in NSW, Gladys has got it moving again and you can see it everywhere, metros, light rail, roads, stadiums, hospitals, high density city living, airports, hospitals, museums. The only things I don't like are the lockout laws and festivals laws but they will sort themselves out once the culture(toxic masculinity) in NSW sorts itself out. 

Socialism is great but you still need to be able to pay for it.

Weird that the opposite is true for Victoria. Labor is the infrastructure leaders down here. 

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miron mercedes - 25 Mar 2019 9:04 PM

Depends on what they agree.  I think FFA is still trying to negotiate a veto power as part of the handover.

I don't think the FFA can have veto power over the HAL if they are to comply with AFC statutes. 
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socceroo_06 - 25 Mar 2019 4:46 PM
The club owners will never green-light pro/rel. Simple as that. 

He said the model they had put together had been embraced by the A-League club owners who, Krayem said, had acknowledged the need for promotion and relegation under FIFA statutes.

The next step is now for stakeholders to work together to set the criteria for promotion and relegation and how to make it work, say the AAFC.

“AAFC is respectful of the A-League owners' issues," said Krayem.

"But as their own chairman says, they face ‘an urgent task’ in addressing declining interest in the competition and ‘bringing excitement back’ to the A-League ahead of the negotiation of the next television deal that is due in 2023.

“What better way to do that than promotion and relegation? After all, it works well in England, Germany, France, Spain, Italy and elsewhere"

He added: “As successful businessmen, we’re sure the A-League club owners can see that it makes sense.

https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/new-second-division-by-2020-promotion-and-relegation-to-follow-522906



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jlm8695 - 25 Mar 2019 4:59 PM
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He said the model they had put together had been embraced by the A-League club owners who, Krayem said, had acknowledged the need for promotion and relegation under FIFA statutes.

The next step is now for stakeholders to work together to set the criteria for promotion and relegation and how to make it work, say the AAFC.

“AAFC is respectful of the A-League owners' issues," said Krayem.

"But as their own chairman says, they face ‘an urgent task’ in addressing declining interest in the competition and ‘bringing excitement back’ to the A-League ahead of the negotiation of the next television deal that is due in 2023.

“What better way to do that than promotion and relegation? After all, it works well in England, Germany, France, Spain, Italy and elsewhere"

He added: “As successful businessmen, we’re sure the A-League club owners can see that it makes sense.

https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/new-second-division-by-2020-promotion-and-relegation-to-follow-522906



Show me a quote from the current owners that says they're for it. 

Krayem who has a vested interest and is not an owner would say anything to push his barrow. 


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Munrubenmuz - 25 Mar 2019 5:02 PM
jlm8695 - 25 Mar 2019 4:59 PM

Show me a quote from the current owners that says they're for it. 

Krayem who has a vested interest and is not an owner would say anything to push his barrow. 

It is also the shared view of the APFCA membership that a fully-expanded League model must be achieved and sustained before the introduction of promotion and relegation can be considered.

For promotion and relegation to be achieved it is imperative that a second-tier of Australian football is established and evolved in order to create appropriate football and economic proximity between the two tiers.  Only in this way can the second-tier produce promoted clubs with the capacity to compete in the A-League and at the same time receive relegated A-League Clubs without catastrophic economic impact for the relegated club.  The investment and time horizon for achieving a second-tier of this calibre should not be underestimated.  APFCA is committed to playing its part.

Sauce  Still looking for the quote I think from AAFC
during vote seeking to remove SLowy 





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reminds me of when we were in the school yard trying to pick fair teams with school kids and someone always complained the teams are not fair 
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Who is going to pay to broadcast this new league, or does your new fantasy league not need broadcast revenue?

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So now we can’t trust the AAFC ??????

BURN IT ....

BURN THE LOT TOTHE GROUND ...

ALL OF IT ..... INCLUDING SMFC

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A fully functioning and self sustaining second division with a plan for promotion to it and relegation from it ,is really the main hope forward.
If this can be achieved then the fear factor diminishes for everyone.
Furthermore it is seen as something desirable and attainable for the whole football community.
In fact it would provide the fan engagement currently lacking.
Small stadiums large stadiums become irrelevant.
Tasmania,Darwin,Ipswich,Wollongong,Sth Melb,Moreton Bay ....etc ...All allowed.Everything based on merit and an ability to balance the books.

HAL teams sitting above and looking down at a successful second division see they can survive a drop.

Lets get that second division going.

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I love how reports that we are moving to a second division and pro/rel leads those who want a second division and pro/rel to lose their shit.....Australian football, gotta love it.

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Eldar - 25 Mar 2019 5:13 PM
I love how reports that we are moving to a second division and pro/rel leads those who want a second division and pro/rel to lose their shit.....Australian football, gotta love it.

Maybe in 15 years, oh great lets celebrate, or is it in 25 years, 35, 45?

I hope the league folds.



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WSF - 25 Mar 2019 5:38 PM
Eldar - 25 Mar 2019 5:13 PM

Maybe in 15 years, oh great lets celebrate, or is it in 25 years, 35, 45?

I hope the league folds.



So sounds like a second division next year and pro/rel when achievable, could be 5 or 10 years. People who think we should just bring in a second division with pro/rel next year are deluded, probably better if they do just give up on football.


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WSF - 25 Mar 2019 5:38 PM
Eldar - 25 Mar 2019 5:13 PM

Maybe in 15 years, oh great lets celebrate, or is it in 25 years, 35, 45?

I hope the league folds.



I love this narrative. Then what happens? Pro/rel next year? 

Can we stop posting about "pro AFL media" all the time please? Anyone who advocates for the folding of the only professional football competition Australia had is the real enemy of the game.

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sydneyfc1987 - 27 Mar 2019 12:33 PM
WSF - 25 Mar 2019 5:38 PM

I love this narrative. Then what happens? Pro/rel next year? 

Can we stop posting about "pro AFL media" all the time please? Anyone who advocates for the folding of the only professional football competition Australia had is the real enemy of the game.

The closed system, franchise only, license fee paying, geographically approved teams are the enemy of the game.

What's the point of having something shiny at the top if below that it's burnt to ash and cinders?



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Munrubenmuz - 27 Mar 2019 12:40 PM
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The closed system, franchise only, license fee paying, geographically approved teams are the enemy of the game.

What's the point of having something shiny at the top if below that it's burnt to ash and cinders?

All aspects which can change without folding the league and losing fans like myself who will never support a local team again. 

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sydneyfc1987 - 27 Mar 2019 5:03 PM
Munrubenmuz - 27 Mar 2019 12:40 PM

All aspects which can change without folding the league and losing fans like myself who will never support a local team again. 

So that would assume that you would follow SFC up and down the divisions as they rise and fall?

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General Ashnak - 27 Mar 2019 5:16 PM
sydneyfc1987 - 27 Mar 2019 5:03 PM

So that would assume that you would follow SFC up and down the divisions as they rise and fall?

yes I certainly would. 

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As I have said, we need a league between the A League and the next level

If the A League wants to be a closed shop then make it the second division and place a league above it. Whichever owners want to be part of an ambitious open tier, let them move up




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by 2034, i would hope that the countries population would exceed 30 million. and by time that happens i would hope the right infrastructure has been put in place to support it.

the higher the population the better off our clubs will be, thats what i hope anyway

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I will definitely go to a few away games on the new high speed rail.

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Being honest with ourselves I think the reality is a second division just isn’t financially viable.  Unless it was a run on the cheap it would massive loss making enterprise and the commercial cons would outweigh the pros.  There is barely enough appetite to run a first division let alone a second so I don’t think p&r will be the saviour.

im not sure what the solution is but clubs needs to be run more like tribal communities rather than plastic profit making franchises. WSW were all the goss a few years back, but sure what happened but they seems to make the A league exciting for a while.  Clubs line Newcastle, CCM, Perth etc are just a massive borefest and I’ve basically switched off watching them.  I will also say that the Fox commentary team adds to the boredom and insipidness, they’re like listening to announcements over the PA at Kmart.
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Eldar - 25 Mar 2019 6:04 PM
I will definitely go to a few away games on the new high speed rail.

Use it tok skip past the stadium and go to the many wonderful bars and restaurants open after 9pm.


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TheSelectFew - 26 Mar 2019 7:57 AM
Eldar - 25 Mar 2019 6:04 PM

Use it tok skip past the stadium and go to the many wonderful bars and restaurants open after 9pm.

I would be more inclined to try and catch some of Melbourne's famed alcohol-fueled violence(so maybe catch an AFL match) and then see if I can see some gang violence after.

You know, when in Rome and all that.


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Eldar - 26 Mar 2019 8:15 AM
TheSelectFew - 26 Mar 2019 7:57 AM

I would be more inclined to try and catch some of Melbourne's famed alcohol-fueled violence(so maybe catch an AFL match) and then see if I can see some gang violence after.

You know, when in Rome and all that.

Did you vote for Gladys over the weekend?
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walnuts - 26 Mar 2019 8:27 AM
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Did you vote for Gladys over the weekend?

Socialist alliance but I put the Libs above Labor, at least that we get things built.


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Eldar - 26 Mar 2019 8:31 AM
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Socialist alliance but I put the Libs above Labor, at least that we get things built.

Gotta build it to sell it off rofl

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nomates - 25 Mar 2019 6:10 PM
Collapsing the A League is just a stupid idea!. It would kill the game and set us back 50 years. Fken stupid thread.

agree. ridiculous thread.

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Socialist alliance but I put the Libs above Labor, at least that we get things built.

how can anyone who votes for the socialists preference the Libs above Labor? Geez. 
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Feed_The_Brox - 26 Mar 2019 11:30 AM
nomates - 25 Mar 2019 6:10 PM

agree. ridiculous thread.

Eldar - 26 Mar 2019 8:31 AM

how can anyone who votes for the socialists preference the Libs above Labor? Geez. 

That's what I was wondering.  I had Socialist Alliance first then Labour.  


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Feed_The_Brox - 26 Mar 2019 11:30 AM
nomates - 25 Mar 2019 6:10 PM

agree. ridiculous thread.

Eldar - 26 Mar 2019 8:31 AM

how can anyone who votes for the socialists preference the Libs above Labor? Geez. 

Daley is a racist, NSW Labor are shit, I want a new stadium, I believe in progressive capitalism and social equality, this best balances my ideals. If Labor want my vote they will need to be more progressive, have a bolder vision of development, infrastructure and technology, research etc. The reality is that after development and infrastructure ground to a halt in NSW, Gladys has got it moving again and you can see it everywhere, metros, light rail, roads, stadiums, hospitals, high density city living, airports, hospitals, museums. The only things I don't like are the lockout laws and festivals laws but they will sort themselves out once the culture(toxic masculinity) in NSW sorts itself out. 

Socialism is great but you still need to be able to pay for it.


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Eldar - 26 Mar 2019 8:15 AM
TheSelectFew - 26 Mar 2019 7:57 AM

I would be more inclined to try and catch some of Melbourne's famed alcohol-fueled violence(so maybe catch an AFL match) and then see if I can see some gang violence after.

You know, when in Rome and all that.

Rude. Seeing the AFL violence just reaffirms the need for self defence to be mandatory because it has gotten embarrassing.. 


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Collapsing the A League is just a stupid idea!. It would kill the game and set us back 50 years. Fken stupid thread.

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nomates - 25 Mar 2019 6:10 PM
Collapsing the A League is just a stupid idea!. It would kill the game and set us back 50 years. Fken stupid thread.

If it means the end of Phoenix, there's at least a silver lining.


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hames_jetfield - 25 Mar 2019 10:44 PM
nomates - 25 Mar 2019 6:10 PM

If it means the end of Phoenix, there's at least a silver lining.

Boom!

Agree.


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nomates - 25 Mar 2019 6:10 PM
Collapsing the A League is just a stupid idea!. It would kill the game and set us back 50 years. Fken stupid thread.

Just like collapsing the NSL did ... oh wait.
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There isn't enough for a gold-plated all bells-and-whistles second tier, but there is enough for a low-cost budget league. The sooner we recognise our limits and stop artificially forcing clubs to be at the same level and allow clubs to find their natural equilibrium, the better.  Trying to create an equality of outcome between clubs like Melbourne Victory and CCM is an absurd exercise in futility.
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Or better yet....storm the castle and seize control. Charge! 🤺
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The clubs might control the league but they wont control what shape an Australian league system operates under, the FFA will. It would be similar to the EPL. Its like saying the EPL might decide to end promotion and relegation.

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Eldar - 25 Mar 2019 10:17 PM
The clubs might control the league but they wont control what shape an Australian league system operates under, the FFA will. It would be similar to the EPL. Its like saying the EPL might decide to end promotion and relegation.

Maybe ....depends on who controls the votes . If the A-league clubs get the numbers FFA will have zero say in it .Just because something happens in England doesn't mean it will happen that way here.

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miron mercedes - 25 Mar 2019 10:36 PM
Eldar - 25 Mar 2019 10:17 PM

Maybe ....depends on who controls the votes . If the A-league clubs get the numbers FFA will have zero say in it .Just because something happens in England doesn't mean it will happen that way here.

I think the FFA still have to verify the league.  Dropping something like that may cause them not to ratify the league making it a break away. 

I know that div 2 in the USA had to be ratified by the USSF during the NASL/USL fight.  Even though USSF had no say in how either league was run.  
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TimmyJ - 26 Mar 2019 12:59 AM
miron mercedes - 25 Mar 2019 10:36 PM

I think the FFA still have to verify the league.  Dropping something like that may cause them not to ratify the league making it a break away. 

I know that div 2 in the USA had to be ratified by the USSF during the NASL/USL fight.  Even though USSF had no say in how either league was run.  

Correct, the FFA is the FIFA & AFC recognised governing body of Football in Australia and they ratify the league to comply with AFC & FIFA statutes. 

The AAFC/APFCA/PFA etc. are operational organisations that control/will control the running of certain aspects of the game in Australia be it the league(s), players union etc. 
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socceroo_06 - 26 Mar 2019 8:01 AM
TimmyJ - 26 Mar 2019 12:59 AM

Correct, the FFA is the FIFA & AFC recognised governing body of Football in Australia and they ratify the league to comply with AFC & FIFA statutes. 

The AAFC/APFCA/PFA etc. are operational organisations that control/will control the running of certain aspects of the game in Australia be it the league(s), players union etc.

Maybe so .... but I doubt the "franchise" system will still exist in its current form. Depends upon whether the owners want it .Its all speculation until something is announced anyway.
BTW.... I believe those FIFA and AFC statutes we have to comply with specify there should be Promotion and Relegation etc .....

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miron mercedes - 26 Mar 2019 10:49 AM
socceroo_06 - 26 Mar 2019 8:01 AM

Maybe so .... but I doubt the "franchise" system will still exist in its current form. Depends upon whether the owners want it .Its all speculation until something is announced anyway.
BTW.... I believe those FIFA and AFC statutes we have to comply with specify there should be Promotion and Relegation etc .....

They do specify it (AFC) in their statutes however they also say that granting licences to promoted clubs may also depend on financial/infrastructure issues that are to be reviewed and ratified by the organisation that controls the league [APFCA or some other conglomerate]. 

So the future make-up of the independent league body may veto any pro/rel statute on the basis of the business case not stacking up. This will, in turn, cause another shit-fight / revolt by the organisation representing the Div 2 and below [AAFC] arguing that the opposite is true and that the AFC/FIFA step in. 

The "cycle of violence" cannot be disrupted until the APFCA & AAFC see eye-to-eye or a separate independent body devoid of vested interests takes control of the HAL. 

I have no issue with the HAL being set-up similarly to the EPL, but the issue is power in numbers. The EPL has 20 foundational club members who each can vote on rule changes, with a 2/3rds majority ruling the day. 



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Eldar - 25 Mar 2019 10:17 PM
The clubs might control the league but they wont control what shape an Australian league system operates under, the FFA will. It would be similar to the EPL. Its like saying the EPL might decide to end promotion and relegation.

The EPL clubs had the opportunity to make it a closed system and voted against it as they recognised that it would result in the financial collapse of the EPL.

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should we get someone from overseas to run the a league? 
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tbh, I'm in the same boat as Muz - I just don't care anymore. There is zero appetite from the decision makers to implement anything close to a global standard for football in this country. I just don't understand how anyone can stand there and, with a straight face, tell me that the decisions that have been made over the last 15 or so years have been in the game's best interests.

Plenty of Aussies support clubs of varying sizes around the world - how many people support Leeds in this country, a team that hasn't played top flight football for almost 20 years? NPL clubs aren't all of a sudden becoming extinct because they get relegated from NPL1 to NPL2 in the leagues around the country.

For those people whinging about how they won't have a team if the A-League goes bust - newsflash, unless you live in the inner suburbs of Melbourne or Sydney, the FFA isn't interested in you anyway. At least in an open league structure there is the opportunity for an extremely well run club from a regional centre to make it to the big time - little old Bournemouth, with a population of ~185k people, seems to be doing alright against the mega rich oligarchies from Manchester, Liverpool and London.

We're unique alright - unique in that we think we know better than the rest of the world, yet continue to cock it up. You just have to look at the jingoism that sprouts up every Olympics when we don't win every medal in the pool - we're the best swimmers in the world after all, how on Earth can we be beaten by swimmers from China, USA, Holland etc etc. It must be steroids!

I'm seriously jaded, and I say that as a platinum Victory member - I've put my money where my mouth is and have supported the game at both the lowest and highest levels, and I'm left with this dumpster fire.
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Im on the same boat, the product has gotten stale eventually after promising good years early on, but with poor planning for expansion and the FFA ignoring building the next the tier we are here.

It's very difficult to have a closed league when the bottom have nothing to play for, how could they keep it up with the same way if its not exciting enough.

A league is strong as it's bottom teams, without consequence it becomes mediocre. 

After my time traveling around the world and see where football sits here, it does feel like football is at the arse end of the world for it unfortunately. 
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Burztur - 26 Mar 2019 7:58 PM
https://youtu.be/ArGOKk2a5Zk

Sums up why P&R is needed.

Great video.

The APFCA is essentially a cartel. It wants full control of the HAL to protect their own interests. 



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socceroo_06 - 27 Mar 2019 8:02 AM
Burztur - 26 Mar 2019 7:58 PM

Great video.

The APFCA is essentially a cartel. It wants full control of the HAL to protect their own interests. 



You're not wrong; the problem is that this is what the league was founded on - so, the owners (rightfully) should have all the power because they are the ones who lose money every year to keep the league afloat. Fox Sports only give TV money based on 1) the amount of clubs and 2) always having clubs in major regions. (Melbourne, Bris, Syd)

To implement pro/rel, these dependencies would need to change. I don't see an easy pathway to do so.


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Burztur - 26 Mar 2019 7:58 PM
https://youtu.be/ArGOKk2a5Zk

Sums up why P&R is needed.

Good video
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