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So all of these years & years that any sort of competition was suppressed in favour of the corporate model due to the monetary aspect & the idiots still lost millions & millions. Incompetent charlatans.
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Don't need advise from the piker. He left Mariners in the lurch.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xHowever, Peil warned: “The FA has to do the right thing by clubs - is it the right time to launch a second division? I personally don’t think it is.“Putting competition next to the A-League, when we’re in the midst of several business corrections, isn’t the best idea.  Obviously Peil has seen the writing on the wall and has baled before his nightmare comes true. Lol, I doubt he bailed in fear of a mythical competition that is never going to happen... Biggest hurdle for CCM is the APL.... not a bunch of semi pro NPL clubs. I think it’s more the fear of the A-Leagues folding than a fear of a second competition and all his investment going’s down the drain, so he’s cut his losses. Can't blame him. If I lost seven million I'd be six and a half million in debt. Yep about right ! Cut his loss’s while he may have half a mill left lol
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+x+x+x+x+xHowever, Peil warned: “The FA has to do the right thing by clubs - is it the right time to launch a second division? I personally don’t think it is.“Putting competition next to the A-League, when we’re in the midst of several business corrections, isn’t the best idea. Obviously Peil has seen the writing on the wall and has baled before his nightmare comes true. Lol, I doubt he bailed in fear of a mythical competition that is never going to happen... Biggest hurdle for CCM is the APL.... not a bunch of semi pro NPL clubs. I think it’s more the fear of the A-Leagues folding than a fear of a second competition and all his investment going’s down the drain, so he’s cut his losses. Can't blame him. If I lost seven million I'd be six and a half million in debt.
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+x+x+x+xHowever, Peil warned: “The FA has to do the right thing by clubs - is it the right time to launch a second division? I personally don’t think it is.“Putting competition next to the A-League, when we’re in the midst of several business corrections, isn’t the best idea. Obviously Peil has seen the writing on the wall and has baled before his nightmare comes true. Lol, I doubt he bailed in fear of a mythical competition that is never going to happen... Biggest hurdle for CCM is the APL.... not a bunch of semi pro NPL clubs. I think it’s more the fear of the A-Leagues folding than a fear of a second competition and all his investment going’s down the drain, so he’s cut his losses.
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+x+xWomp womp relegate CCM. Pro rel for Aus is the only solution to cut the weakness out of football in this country. So in the last 4 years we would have had Melbourne Victory, Perth, Macarthur and Perth again relegated. you understand the process correctly reckon any of them might have got promoted back ? ( I guess Perth, otherwise they wouldn't be able to go down again !)
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+xWomp womp relegate CCM. Pro rel for Aus is the only solution to cut the weakness out of football in this country. So in the last 4 years we would have had Melbourne Victory, Perth, Macarthur and Perth again relegated.
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Womp womp relegate CCM. Pro rel for Aus is the only solution to cut the weakness out of football in this country.
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+x+x+xHowever, Peil warned: “The FA has to do the right thing by clubs - is it the right time to launch a second division? I personally don’t think it is.“Putting competition next to the A-League, when we’re in the midst of several business corrections, isn’t the best idea. Obviously Peil has seen the writing on the wall and has baled before his nightmare comes true. Lol, I doubt he bailed in fear of a mythical competition that is never going to happen... Biggest hurdle for CCM is the APL.... not a bunch of semi pro NPL clubs.
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+x+xHowever, Peil warned: “The FA has to do the right thing by clubs - is it the right time to launch a second division? I personally don’t think it is.“Putting competition next to the A-League, when we’re in the midst of several business corrections, isn’t the best idea. Obviously Peil has seen the writing on the wall and has baled before his nightmare comes true.
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+xHowever, Peil warned: “The FA has to do the right thing by clubs - is it the right time to launch a second division? I personally don’t think it is.“Putting competition next to the A-League, when we’re in the midst of several business corrections, isn’t the best idea.
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“Putting competition next to the A-League, when we’re in the midst of several business corrections, isn’t the best idea"
It's interesting that he used the term 'next to'. Im not sure why you find this surprising? Of course the APL is going to see a national football competition as a rival to their money making ambitions..... Even they cannot, with any credibility, deny that the creation of another professional league wont help grow the sport but they dont want it to jeopardise the financial returns of a handful of foreigners... its ludicrous it has come to this.... they dont even hide behind the pretence of caring about "the sport" its just a means to an end, a product to sell to gullible consumers..... Who is making money? This second division comp won't last one season, why, because once they realise the cost of running it and the fact that asking parents to pay $5000 for their child to play in their junior and youth teams just in the hope of progressing into the senior team in what will be a pseudo NPL comp won't bring in the revenue they'll need to continue. No bums on seats means no money means no comp. Where is Wollongong going to get enough money to exist? What will the Marconi board do to finance their team, divert money that should go to their members entertainment. Not that hasn't happened in previous years, has it. Just explain to me where the money is coming from for it to be sustainable and a money making venture. At an overview your argument appears sound. However, there are a few major differences. 1. Most NST clubs have a much lower cost structure in the use of their facilities. A League clubs pay substantially more 2. Most NST Clubs have a greater diversified income sources, many unrelated to the football business. 3. Some A-League clubs are struggling to establish recognition and support within their chosen communities. 4. NST Clubs are well aware of the risks. They are run along democratic lines which necessitates greater membership consultation. These are made lightly, and nor on the basis of how big a person's wallet is, No reward for risk. How long are the members going to let the club pour millions into a comp that has no upside. Let's say it takes a minimum of 5 years before there is pro/rel who will still be around?If aleague clubs can't succeed financially what makes you think a pseudo NPL 1 comp will. Well considering it has been nearly 20 years (longer for some) of no chance at promotion to the top league and these clubs are still around what, apart from your obvious hatred, makes you think they wont be around for another 20 years? AC seems to have a bone to grind for football here to at least try/change and improve the last 20yrs of no mans land for the lower grades, amazing people are like this and yet he also bags out AL at times. You can't win anything here in Oz no matter what side your on, we might as well just stay as we are and be satisfied with mediocrity for the good of game, seriously what a joke. Its not his fault mate... For nearly 20 years the new dawn has been peddling this mantra of entertainment sports content is the only way... They watch the MLS and want the same thing here.....
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“Putting competition next to the A-League, when we’re in the midst of several business corrections, isn’t the best idea"
It's interesting that he used the term 'next to'. Im not sure why you find this surprising? Of course the APL is going to see a national football competition as a rival to their money making ambitions..... Even they cannot, with any credibility, deny that the creation of another professional league wont help grow the sport but they dont want it to jeopardise the financial returns of a handful of foreigners... its ludicrous it has come to this.... they dont even hide behind the pretence of caring about "the sport" its just a means to an end, a product to sell to gullible consumers..... Who is making money? This second division comp won't last one season, why, because once they realise the cost of running it and the fact that asking parents to pay $5000 for their child to play in their junior and youth teams just in the hope of progressing into the senior team in what will be a pseudo NPL comp won't bring in the revenue they'll need to continue. No bums on seats means no money means no comp. Where is Wollongong going to get enough money to exist? What will the Marconi board do to finance their team, divert money that should go to their members entertainment. Not that hasn't happened in previous years, has it. Just explain to me where the money is coming from for it to be sustainable and a money making venture. At an overview your argument appears sound. However, there are a few major differences. 1. Most NST clubs have a much lower cost structure in the use of their facilities. A League clubs pay substantially more 2. Most NST Clubs have a greater diversified income sources, many unrelated to the football business. 3. Some A-League clubs are struggling to establish recognition and support within their chosen communities. 4. NST Clubs are well aware of the risks. They are run along democratic lines which necessitates greater membership consultation. These are made lightly, and nor on the basis of how big a person's wallet is, No reward for risk. How long are the members going to let the club pour millions into a comp that has no upside. Let's say it takes a minimum of 5 years before there is pro/rel who will still be around?If aleague clubs can't succeed financially what makes you think a pseudo NPL 1 comp will. Well considering it has been nearly 20 years (longer for some) of no chance at promotion to the top league and these clubs are still around what, apart from your obvious hatred, makes you think they wont be around for another 20 years? AC seems to have a bone to grind for football here to at least try/change and improve the last 20yrs of no mans land for the lower grades, amazing people are like this and yet he also bags out AL at times. You can't win anything here in Oz no matter what side your on, we might as well just stay as we are and be satisfied with mediocrity for the good of game, seriously what a joke.
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“Putting competition next to the A-League, when we’re in the midst of several business corrections, isn’t the best idea"
It's interesting that he used the term 'next to'. Im not sure why you find this surprising? Of course the APL is going to see a national football competition as a rival to their money making ambitions..... Even they cannot, with any credibility, deny that the creation of another professional league wont help grow the sport but they dont want it to jeopardise the financial returns of a handful of foreigners... its ludicrous it has come to this.... they dont even hide behind the pretence of caring about "the sport" its just a means to an end, a product to sell to gullible consumers..... Who is making money? This second division comp won't last one season, why, because once they realise the cost of running it and the fact that asking parents to pay $5000 for their child to play in their junior and youth teams just in the hope of progressing into the senior team in what will be a pseudo NPL comp won't bring in the revenue they'll need to continue. No bums on seats means no money means no comp. Where is Wollongong going to get enough money to exist? What will the Marconi board do to finance their team, divert money that should go to their members entertainment. Not that hasn't happened in previous years, has it. Just explain to me where the money is coming from for it to be sustainable and a money making venture. At an overview your argument appears sound. However, there are a few major differences. 1. Most NST clubs have a much lower cost structure in the use of their facilities. A League clubs pay substantially more 2. Most NST Clubs have a greater diversified income sources, many unrelated to the football business. 3. Some A-League clubs are struggling to establish recognition and support within their chosen communities. 4. NST Clubs are well aware of the risks. They are run along democratic lines which necessitates greater membership consultation. These are made lightly, and nor on the basis of how big a person's wallet is, No reward for risk. How long are the members going to let the club pour millions into a comp that has no upside. Let's say it takes a minimum of 5 years before there is pro/rel who will still be around?If aleague clubs can't succeed financially what makes you think a pseudo NPL 1 comp will. Well considering it has been nearly 20 years (longer for some) of no chance at promotion to the top league and these clubs are still around what, apart from your obvious hatred, makes you think they wont be around for another 20 years?
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“Putting competition next to the A-League, when we’re in the midst of several business corrections, isn’t the best idea"
It's interesting that he used the term 'next to'. Im not sure why you find this surprising? Of course the APL is going to see a national football competition as a rival to their money making ambitions..... Even they cannot, with any credibility, deny that the creation of another professional league wont help grow the sport but they dont want it to jeopardise the financial returns of a handful of foreigners... its ludicrous it has come to this.... they dont even hide behind the pretence of caring about "the sport" its just a means to an end, a product to sell to gullible consumers..... Who is making money? This second division comp won't last one season, why, because once they realise the cost of running it and the fact that asking parents to pay $5000 for their child to play in their junior and youth teams just in the hope of progressing into the senior team in what will be a pseudo NPL comp won't bring in the revenue they'll need to continue. No bums on seats means no money means no comp. Where is Wollongong going to get enough money to exist? What will the Marconi board do to finance their team, divert money that should go to their members entertainment. Not that hasn't happened in previous years, has it. Just explain to me where the money is coming from for it to be sustainable and a money making venture. At an overview your argument appears sound. However, there are a few major differences. 1. Most NST clubs have a much lower cost structure in the use of their facilities. A League clubs pay substantially more 2. Most NST Clubs have a greater diversified income sources, many unrelated to the football business. 3. Some A-League clubs are struggling to establish recognition and support within their chosen communities. 4. NST Clubs are well aware of the risks. They are run along democratic lines which necessitates greater membership consultation. These are made lightly, and nor on the basis of how big a person's wallet is, No reward for risk. How long are the members going to let the club pour millions into a comp that has no upside. Let's say it takes a minimum of 5 years before there is pro/rel who will still be around? If aleague clubs can't succeed financially what makes you think a pseudo NPL 1 comp will.
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+xYou could argue that having a sook to the media is also dangerous to the A-League. Not a good look at all. Stop focusing on others and focus on yourselves. Sounds about right
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“Putting competition next to the A-League, when we’re in the midst of several business corrections, isn’t the best idea"
It's interesting that he used the term 'next to'. Im not sure why you find this surprising? Of course the APL is going to see a national football competition as a rival to their money making ambitions..... Even they cannot, with any credibility, deny that the creation of another professional league wont help grow the sport but they dont want it to jeopardise the financial returns of a handful of foreigners... its ludicrous it has come to this.... they dont even hide behind the pretence of caring about "the sport" its just a means to an end, a product to sell to gullible consumers..... Who is making money? This second division comp won't last one season, why, because once they realise the cost of running it and the fact that asking parents to pay $5000 for their child to play in their junior and youth teams just in the hope of progressing into the senior team in what will be a pseudo NPL comp won't bring in the revenue they'll need to continue. No bums on seats means no money means no comp. Where is Wollongong going to get enough money to exist? What will the Marconi board do to finance their team, divert money that should go to their members entertainment. Not that hasn't happened in previous years, has it. Just explain to me where the money is coming from for it to be sustainable and a money making venture. At an overview your argument appears sound. However, there are a few major differences. 1. Most NST clubs have a much lower cost structure in the use of their facilities. A League clubs pay substantially more 2. Most NST Clubs have a greater diversified income sources, many unrelated to the football business. 3. Some A-League clubs are struggling to establish recognition and support within their chosen communities. 4. NST Clubs are well aware of the risks. They are run along democratic lines which necessitates greater membership consultation. These are made lightly, and nor on the basis of how big a person's wallet is, And that is great for 2nd tier football in this country. Meanwhile clubs in the top tier go bankrupt because of the onerous costs of fielding a team. Doesn’t make sense.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xfunnily these posts are covering pre AL NSL Club names and post AL now APL Clubs. I really like to avoid getting into it but a couple of you I consider forum mates from different motha's haha not picking sides but to stay open some may say on the fence. I think one thing that should be noted back on the thread highlights our huge ongoing football conflicts and read between the lines the CCM CEO quotes the timing of the NST is dangerous to their APL whilst they are still in reform. Sorry mate I would expect you would say similar in 2026 or 2027 for naturally your comp doesn't want any conflicting competiton. It also highlights as I've mentioned elsewhere, this tiny little mucked up complicated island can't sustain 2 separate forms of football competitions !!!!!!! Talking about being United - well this is never going to happen read it again, never going to happen. 2 wrongs don't make a right but we have a long time existing platform that hasn't shrivalled up and died infact its holding the fort together wether you agree or not. The former commenced by Australian migrants and like many other countries in the world linked by the founders origins be it greek italian cro for as we know countless clubs have some form of ethnic link where migrants established themselves, the coat of arms badge or for eg Hellas or Azzuri generic markings incl by the name. Supporters in the past chanted Hellas as they did why does it matter ? its the clubs dna and who was the wiser back in the 50/60/70/80's the support was the bulk of Aussie migrants. Now as time progressed and we became wiser and in some case's endoctornated by the new dawn marketing machines that a more generic open Club name was what the country needed......sure good stuff something needed to change but I question'd the approach and type of change and we can see the proof in the pudding where the new approach stands today in the national scheme of our countries sporting pecking orders. Marketing and the new world order marched on its cause/case get it off the ground to pull in the neutrals/the non ethnics and here we are going back and forth just as unneccessary as a recent vote we went through and what has it achieved - division/complications even more. It ain't gonna work having 2 football paths - need both aligned to be strong and united as quoted in other threads - the CCM's CEO proves as such coming out regards to the NST as bad timing for them BUT WTF its for the good of our game no doubt about it and hope it survives for I tell you, we will keep being in wilderness and different tribes for decade after decade long after I'm gone. Robbo, mate, I think you are seeing things through intentions that dont exist. You call for unity yet dont want clubs to be whoever or whatever they are. I try to answer every single one of your questions yet you circle around and bring random thoughts into the conversation again and again. One more try from me ... I would appreciate it (for the sake of the argument) if you could answer my questions in bold ... just these questions if thats OK. Believe it or not I dont hate you or even dislike you. I value your opinion even if I dont agree with it because you have at least the conviction to try and explain it.... LFC I agree with you, as I mentioned in my post it was a silly comment by the CCM's CEO & definitely not one who wants to unite the tribes. I also am fully aware of the wonderful history of Sth Melb & the great achievements they have made for football in this country, I'm also aware of their history of why the Hellas Chants are there.
So why would you expect the club's supporters to not use the nickname it has had for generations? Why would you also not accept that a big chunk of our current fans dont even speak Greek or have any Greek background anymore yet still love the name and the chant???I am also 100% behind the NST & the clubs that have been accepted & I'm hoping that the NST & the A-League can work together & create a united football P/R football. My sole interest is football in this country. Maybe I'm more a dreamer than a realist, but I want them to unite, just like what Ange said when he heard that Sth Melb was joining the NST. Maybe you are right & these 2 will never work together. How can they possibly unite when the APL, the franchsie owners and its fans actively admit that pro/rel will cause the APL franchises to fold... they simply cant sustain living in a semi pro environment without foreign owners propping up the finances?Now I see Mono rant & rave about the A-League & it's fans for following a despicable foreign tyrant, he is constantly on the attack & also calling me names & accusing me of being a racist & questions why he is getting so much attention. I understand you are not a big fan of the A-League & I know many are like you, football followers, who are jackshit of some of the decisions of the FFA/APL. I have no issues, I have the same issues with them. But Mono is different, he is solely unhappy Sth Melb is no in the top tier of football of this country. No Robbo I am unhappy at the REASON South Melbourne is not the top tier... If you don't understand the difference then you surprise me because you have been following football globally for decades like I have... You mentioned that you follow Derby, would you NOT feel the same way if the EPL formed a Super League and Derby could NEVER EVER play in the top flight again or would you just shrug your shoulders and accept it? I have no issues with any of the "effnik clubs", they built football in this country & as you know, I'm an 'effnik' too. I have no issues of them having their chants, I was just asked why I wouldn't follow these clubs & that is the reason why, this is why I never had a team in the NSL. Fine but when I asked you why one type of foreign ownership doesnt bother you and another does you went off about chanting Hellas Hellas or Marconi or whatever??? That doesnt make sense to me when I see other people who dont care... Im pretty sure a very tiny minority of Hellas Verona fans are ethnically Greek but they have no problem with it in Italy why does it bother you here? I would 100% accept that you hate my club (or any other effnik club) because of the team, or the fans or that one annoying prick on the internet that doesnt stop talking about them, no problem with that, but just because they chant a "foreign" name doesn't make sense, at least to me? I hate lots of clubs but NOT because the are Italian or Maltese or Croatian or whatever.Whether Mono, you or I like it or not, there are many football fans who feel the same, they want to follow a Australian football club (who the owner is is irrelevant). My wife is English & my heritage is Portuguese, I do not want to follow an Australian club that chants Por-tu-gal or En-gur-land, but that is me, others may & that is ok, but if you don't see how this may affect your ability to attract a different demographic, these 'effnik' clubs needed to adapt, but they choose not to. No buddy we dont NEED to adapt to anything... You might want us to but it is OUR right NOT too.... Thats the whole point. We ARE Australian football clubs and AUSTRALIAN owned at that. We live in a country that gives us the right to participate in this multicultural tapestry of Australian-ess without having to confirm to what you or anyone else thinks is the "right way" If you are not comfortable with that, that is absolutely your right, but you cannot make others comply with what you want. Leave it to each individual club to morph into whatever their members choose. Like i said to you ages ago, you (me and everyone else) choose a club for often, really silly reasons, but you want to follow who you want to follow. I agree there are many fans that dont agree with me and have jumped on board these franchises (why they didnt do it when similar existed 30-40 years ago is a WHOLE other story) because they dont feel part of what they see as a foreign culture. But there are also thousands of "old soccer" fans who have been left out in the cold because of who they/we support... When we see that soccer in this country has been SOLD to foreign investors, when we see the Abu Dabi group basically dictating the very future of our national teams and "clubs" are business entities to make profit for overseas investors, dont you think it is a little lame to worry about 15 year old kids chanting "Cro-at-zi-a" or whatever? I'll give a go. So why would you expect the club's supporters to not use the nickname it has had for generations? Why would you also not accept that a big chunk of our current fans dont even speak Greek or have any Greek background anymore yet still love the name and the chant???I do expect them to change, I'm all good with it. My question is how do you appeal to a different demographic Non Greeks & those not living in close vicinity to Olympic park?
How can they possibly unite when the APL, the franchsie owners and its fans actively admit that pro/rel will cause the APL franchises to fold... they simply cant sustain living in a semi pro environment without foreign owners propping up the finances?This is the idea of an open competition & allow for pro /rel, if clubs do fall into 2nd tier I do not understand why they cannot continue until either they get back to top tier or stay in the NST. Sth Melb, Marconi etc has all survived. No Robbo I am unhappy at the REASON South Melbourne is not the top tier... If you don't understand the difference then you surprise me because you have been following football globally for decades like I have... You mentioned that you follow Derby, would you NOT feel the same way if the EPL formed a Super League and Derby could NEVER EVER play in the top flight again or would you just shrug your shoulders and accept it?
I followed Derby back in the 70s when they won the 2nd division (Championship) & 2 years later won the 1st division (premier league), these days teams coming up from the Championship goes back down to the champions a season or 2 later. If you don't think the EPL is a super league with 4 teams Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal & Spurs, the big 4, now they are joined by Foreign owned teams (Man City, Newcastle & Chelsea) as super cubs. Derby will never ever win the Premiership ever again. Hence I don't follow the PL, just the players & coach (Ange). I have accepted it. Fine but when I asked you why one type of foreign ownership doesnt bother you and another does you went off about chanting Hellas Hellas or Marconi or whatever??? That doesnt make sense to me when I see other people who dont care... Im pretty sure a very tiny minority of Hellas Verona fans are ethnically Greek but they have no problem with it in Italy why does it bother you here? I would 100% accept that you hate my club (or any other effnik club) because of the team, or the fans or that one annoying prick on the internet that doesnt stop talking about them, no problem with that, but just because they chant a "foreign" name doesn't make sense, at least to me? I hate lots of clubs but NOT because the are Italian or Maltese or Croatian or whatever.
This is the crux, I don't follow foreign ownership, when I started following SFC & the A-League, it was Australian club in an Australian league, now SFC are foreign owned, but are they, it's now owned by Scott Barlow, but I don't care of the owners. Now I don't hate your club or any 'effnik' club. All I said I choose not to follow clubs during the NSL because they were deemed too mono culture & they brought their issues from home. Greek clubs not liking Macedonian clubs, Serbian clubs not liking Croatian clubs. This was my choice not to follow these clubs, not hating on them. No buddy we dont NEED to adapt to anything... You might want us to but it is OUR right NOT too.... Thats the whole point. We ARE Australian football clubs and AUSTRALIAN owned at that. We live in a country that gives us the right to participate in this multicultural tapestry of Australian-ess without having to confirm to what you or anyone else thinks is the "right way" If you are not comfortable with that, that is absolutely your right, but you cannot make others comply with what you want. Leave it to each individual club to morph into whatever their members choose. Like i said to you ages ago, you (me and everyone else) choose a club for often, really silly reasons, but you want to follow who you want to follow. I agree there are many fans that dont agree with me and have jumped on board these franchises (why they didnt do it when similar existed 30-40 years ago is a WHOLE other story) because they dont feel part of what they see as a foreign culture. But there are also thousands of "old soccer" fans who have been left out in the cold because of who they/we support... When we see that soccer in this country has been SOLD to foreign investors, when we see the Abu Dabi group basically dictating the very future of our national teams and "clubs" are business entities to make profit for overseas investors, dont you think it is a little lame to worry about 15 year old kids chanting "Cro-at-zi-a" or whatever?
Again, not asking you to adapt, I'm telling you that this is what the administration at the time (FFA) wanted & didn't want. Like I said in regards to PL (other leagues even worse), the rich clubs get richer (Man U & Liverpool) & the poor clubs (Derby) can go get stuff, the English FA don't give a shit, because they are making so much money. The Australian APL had the chance to include Sth Melb in the A-League & I felt they should've but they choose not to, not because of racism, but due to Sth Melb are deemed still deemed Mono cultured. You seem to be pissed of with me on this, but I didn't make the decision, but highlighting why so many football fans & the football admin deem certain NSL clubs as still mono cultured. Happy for you to continue to follow your team as you choose to do, do but don't call me a racist, when I point out why you are not in the top tier. Robbo ..... mate, that very sentence below IS racism. Dont you see it.? How can you say it wasnt racism but that South was supported by one race??? Its the same thing its like saying its not night time the sun is on the other side of the planet. lol The Australian APL had the chance to include Sth Melb in the A-League & I felt they should've but they choose not to, not because of racism, but due to Sth Melb are deemed still deemed Mono cultured. IT IS ILLEGAL AND IMMORAL IN 2024 AUSTRALIA TO EXCLUDE A GROUP OF PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE, CREED, COLOUR, RELIGION and THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION. Anyway, Im not pissed off with you on this I know you are just explaining what FFA did I just see it as wrong... I am sad however that you have given up on Derby though, for me that is the tragedy in all this... I refuse to believe Derby will never win the Prem again... As long as there is a club, supporters and a way to be able to be promoted into the top tier there is ALWAYS hope... Yes the money is unfair but look at Man City, Newcastle, Aston Villa, West Ham where were they a couple of decades ago compared to now? The Aleague is CLOSED FOR GOOD... Dont blame me, blame those that set it up. I have not given up on Derby, I still follow them in League 1, hopefully back up to championship next year. It's the big leagues that I only follow the players & Coach. Man City will win PL again, Real Madrid will win La Liga again (this time not Barcelona), Bayern Munich will win Bundesliga, unless a surprise this year & Bayen wins next year, PSG will win Ligue 1 & well the Serie A is the one with 4 possible winners. No longer will a Notts Forest, Porto or Red Star Belgrade ever win the champions league again either. It's the super league. Dont say never mate..... Never give up hope. It's ok I have Sydney FC, that's my club. Yeah man, fair enough, good luck to you in the season starting soon, APIA and Sydney U58 look like they will be tough to beat and I hear Olympic has recruited well so top 4 finish would be quite an achievement for the youth team. BTW what is your take on the APL "commish" coming out with the revelation that now: “ In the men's we're a development league, first and foremost"Does it make the Aleague less or more exiting to know that results and sporting competition aren't really the focus? Answer to first line, I see 'BLUE', you see 'RED'. For the 2nd comment, I go back to my comment on Derby & other poorer clubs, they will not win the big competitions. Look at the sub bench of both Liverpool & Man City this week, WOW, they would probably run 5-6 in the PL if they were to Man City & Liverpool reserves to play. We are all development clubs & leagues to the bigger clubs & the leagues, even Man City will lose Harland to Real Madrid & Liverpool will lose Salah to Saudi Arabian club. Money talks. This is how is works I don't like it, but how it works. Like I said I don't follow any PL or the champions leagues clubs (because it's all about money), I just follow the players & coaches (eg Ronaldo at RM, Ange at Spurs). I have accepted reality. just to carry on between us invested supporters of the game. Going back to the early days there has always been the stronger Clubs win more than not, a small Club made ground and may have done a Leicester so for eg having looked back on English First Div as it was from 1960 to 92 - pre EPL. The poorer or smaller Clubs, your Derby (though not looked small back then) Ipswich, Toffees, Villa, Forest and Leeds < again not small back in the day, possibly none were tbh. Over 32yrs thats 6 Clubs - LFC won 13times, United/City Arsenal/Leeds/Derby won titles as well. They all bought players, more so from up north mainly back then and the odd euro. Another is how many won any other external comp like European Cup/CL - bugger all just as today,no point mentioning the few that did. EPL '92 on the big money arrived due to Murdoch Sky paying the FA and here we are. More $$$ than ever before and that more so comes down to Club smart management not just the $. Game became even more the business in the backroom and smarter Clubs prevail, rightly and wrongly fudging books but how it is, there we're shonks back in the day as mentioned. It is what it is, LFC won back in those heydays due to astute buying, so did Juve/RM/Bayern etcetc the figures are much higher than in the past and we know more compared long ago. Importantly the Club is still the Club from a supporter POV and the Clubs DNA is there for all to see AND there is always the chance falling off the cliff and you pay for it. I played my regular golf game this morn with a fellow ex football Derby playing mate, happily saying they are doing ok climbing back up the ladder despite long way to go but he's a Club man not following individuals. Considering you mention its all about the money, so is AL in its own small way despite the cap. Is Manly not more appealing looking at it from a low level $ perspective and organically the term they use today. LFC, Firstly, Oh I still follow Derby, they are the first result I look up every Sunday morning, they are not on any streaming services I have so I don't get to watch them. I'm sure if I searched hard enough I could find something. I enjoy watching the bigger leagues & the best players, because Derby is not there, I don't follow a club, hence my comment on following individuals. As for smaller clubs winning champions league, I am more talking about Notts Forest, Aston Villa & though these are big clubs in their country they are not the big clubs in Europe anymore, Porto, Ajax Marseille, Red Star Belgrade, PSV, Hamburg & Steaua Bucurest who all won champions league (or European cup) from 1980 to 2003. I can tell you none of these eight clubs will win the Champions league in my lifetime again. I can remember Derby, Ipswich, Nots Forest & even Watford with Elton John as the owner coming up from 2nd division & doing well in the 1st division (PL). Now teams that come up struggle to avoid regulation. Manly, yes I see them play sometimes, lots of youth from there going onto A-League clubs. But no Sydney FC for me.
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“Putting competition next to the A-League, when we’re in the midst of several business corrections, isn’t the best idea"
It's interesting that he used the term 'next to'. Im not sure why you find this surprising? Of course the APL is going to see a national football competition as a rival to their money making ambitions..... Even they cannot, with any credibility, deny that the creation of another professional league wont help grow the sport but they dont want it to jeopardise the financial returns of a handful of foreigners... its ludicrous it has come to this.... they dont even hide behind the pretence of caring about "the sport" its just a means to an end, a product to sell to gullible consumers..... Who is making money? This second division comp won't last one season, why, because once they realise the cost of running it and the fact that asking parents to pay $5000 for their child to play in their junior and youth teams just in the hope of progressing into the senior team in what will be a pseudo NPL comp won't bring in the revenue they'll need to continue. No bums on seats means no money means no comp. Where is Wollongong going to get enough money to exist? What will the Marconi board do to finance their team, divert money that should go to their members entertainment. Not that hasn't happened in previous years, has it. Just explain to me where the money is coming from for it to be sustainable and a money making venture. At an overview your argument appears sound. However, there are a few major differences. 1. Most NST clubs have a much lower cost structure in the use of their facilities. A League clubs pay substantially more 2. Most NST Clubs have a greater diversified income sources, many unrelated to the football business. 3. Some A-League clubs are struggling to establish recognition and support within their chosen communities. 4. NST Clubs are well aware of the risks. They are run along democratic lines which necessitates greater membership consultation. These are made lightly, and nor on the basis of how big a person's wallet is, And that is great for 2nd tier football in this country.
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“Putting competition next to the A-League, when we’re in the midst of several business corrections, isn’t the best idea"
It's interesting that he used the term 'next to'. Im not sure why you find this surprising? Of course the APL is going to see a national football competition as a rival to their money making ambitions..... Even they cannot, with any credibility, deny that the creation of another professional league wont help grow the sport but they dont want it to jeopardise the financial returns of a handful of foreigners... its ludicrous it has come to this.... they dont even hide behind the pretence of caring about "the sport" its just a means to an end, a product to sell to gullible consumers..... Who is making money? This second division comp won't last one season, why, because once they realise the cost of running it and the fact that asking parents to pay $5000 for their child to play in their junior and youth teams just in the hope of progressing into the senior team in what will be a pseudo NPL comp won't bring in the revenue they'll need to continue. No bums on seats means no money means no comp. Where is Wollongong going to get enough money to exist? What will the Marconi board do to finance their team, divert money that should go to their members entertainment. Not that hasn't happened in previous years, has it. Just explain to me where the money is coming from for it to be sustainable and a money making venture. At an overview your argument appears sound. However, there are a few major differences. 1. Most NST clubs have a much lower cost structure in the use of their facilities. A League clubs pay substantially more 2. Most NST Clubs have a greater diversified income sources, many unrelated to the football business. 3. Some A-League clubs are struggling to establish recognition and support within their chosen communities. 4. NST Clubs are well aware of the risks. They are run along democratic lines which necessitates greater membership consultation. These are made lightly, and nor on the basis of how big a person's wallet is,
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“Putting competition next to the A-League, when we’re in the midst of several business corrections, isn’t the best idea"
It's interesting that he used the term 'next to'. Im not sure why you find this surprising? Of course the APL is going to see a national football competition as a rival to their money making ambitions..... Even they cannot, with any credibility, deny that the creation of another professional league wont help grow the sport but they dont want it to jeopardise the financial returns of a handful of foreigners... its ludicrous it has come to this.... they dont even hide behind the pretence of caring about "the sport" its just a means to an end, a product to sell to gullible consumers..... Who is making money? This second division comp won't last one season, why, because once they realise the cost of running it and the fact that asking parents to pay $5000 for their child to play in their junior and youth teams just in the hope of progressing into the senior team in what will be a pseudo NPL comp won't bring in the revenue they'll need to continue. No bums on seats means no money means no comp. Where is Wollongong going to get enough money to exist? What will the Marconi board do to finance their team, divert money that should go to their members entertainment. Not that hasn't happened in previous years, has it. Just explain to me where the money is coming from for it to be sustainable and a money making venture. Nst is coming, get the fuck over it So then, explain where the money is coming from ? At one point in time.... I say the best period of the A-league was from 2013-17 when the TV rights were In Foxtel and SBS. 160 million over 4 years or 40 million a year was sustainable for 10 clubs. 4 million each per club. It crapped on the last tv deal which was 113 million over 7 years from 2006-13.
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+xYou could argue that having a sook to the media is also dangerous to the A-League. Not a good look at all. Stop focusing on others and focus on yourselves. This isn't England where there's 20 clubs on 100 million a year. Tv rights money is barely enough for 12 clubs
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xfunnily these posts are covering pre AL NSL Club names and post AL now APL Clubs. I really like to avoid getting into it but a couple of you I consider forum mates from different motha's haha not picking sides but to stay open some may say on the fence. I think one thing that should be noted back on the thread highlights our huge ongoing football conflicts and read between the lines the CCM CEO quotes the timing of the NST is dangerous to their APL whilst they are still in reform. Sorry mate I would expect you would say similar in 2026 or 2027 for naturally your comp doesn't want any conflicting competiton. It also highlights as I've mentioned elsewhere, this tiny little mucked up complicated island can't sustain 2 separate forms of football competitions !!!!!!! Talking about being United - well this is never going to happen read it again, never going to happen. 2 wrongs don't make a right but we have a long time existing platform that hasn't shrivalled up and died infact its holding the fort together wether you agree or not. The former commenced by Australian migrants and like many other countries in the world linked by the founders origins be it greek italian cro for as we know countless clubs have some form of ethnic link where migrants established themselves, the coat of arms badge or for eg Hellas or Azzuri generic markings incl by the name. Supporters in the past chanted Hellas as they did why does it matter ? its the clubs dna and who was the wiser back in the 50/60/70/80's the support was the bulk of Aussie migrants. Now as time progressed and we became wiser and in some case's endoctornated by the new dawn marketing machines that a more generic open Club name was what the country needed......sure good stuff something needed to change but I question'd the approach and type of change and we can see the proof in the pudding where the new approach stands today in the national scheme of our countries sporting pecking orders. Marketing and the new world order marched on its cause/case get it off the ground to pull in the neutrals/the non ethnics and here we are going back and forth just as unneccessary as a recent vote we went through and what has it achieved - division/complications even more. It ain't gonna work having 2 football paths - need both aligned to be strong and united as quoted in other threads - the CCM's CEO proves as such coming out regards to the NST as bad timing for them BUT WTF its for the good of our game no doubt about it and hope it survives for I tell you, we will keep being in wilderness and different tribes for decade after decade long after I'm gone. Robbo, mate, I think you are seeing things through intentions that dont exist. You call for unity yet dont want clubs to be whoever or whatever they are. I try to answer every single one of your questions yet you circle around and bring random thoughts into the conversation again and again. One more try from me ... I would appreciate it (for the sake of the argument) if you could answer my questions in bold ... just these questions if thats OK. Believe it or not I dont hate you or even dislike you. I value your opinion even if I dont agree with it because you have at least the conviction to try and explain it.... LFC I agree with you, as I mentioned in my post it was a silly comment by the CCM's CEO & definitely not one who wants to unite the tribes. I also am fully aware of the wonderful history of Sth Melb & the great achievements they have made for football in this country, I'm also aware of their history of why the Hellas Chants are there.
So why would you expect the club's supporters to not use the nickname it has had for generations? Why would you also not accept that a big chunk of our current fans dont even speak Greek or have any Greek background anymore yet still love the name and the chant???I am also 100% behind the NST & the clubs that have been accepted & I'm hoping that the NST & the A-League can work together & create a united football P/R football. My sole interest is football in this country. Maybe I'm more a dreamer than a realist, but I want them to unite, just like what Ange said when he heard that Sth Melb was joining the NST. Maybe you are right & these 2 will never work together. How can they possibly unite when the APL, the franchsie owners and its fans actively admit that pro/rel will cause the APL franchises to fold... they simply cant sustain living in a semi pro environment without foreign owners propping up the finances?Now I see Mono rant & rave about the A-League & it's fans for following a despicable foreign tyrant, he is constantly on the attack & also calling me names & accusing me of being a racist & questions why he is getting so much attention. I understand you are not a big fan of the A-League & I know many are like you, football followers, who are jackshit of some of the decisions of the FFA/APL. I have no issues, I have the same issues with them. But Mono is different, he is solely unhappy Sth Melb is no in the top tier of football of this country. No Robbo I am unhappy at the REASON South Melbourne is not the top tier... If you don't understand the difference then you surprise me because you have been following football globally for decades like I have... You mentioned that you follow Derby, would you NOT feel the same way if the EPL formed a Super League and Derby could NEVER EVER play in the top flight again or would you just shrug your shoulders and accept it? I have no issues with any of the "effnik clubs", they built football in this country & as you know, I'm an 'effnik' too. I have no issues of them having their chants, I was just asked why I wouldn't follow these clubs & that is the reason why, this is why I never had a team in the NSL. Fine but when I asked you why one type of foreign ownership doesnt bother you and another does you went off about chanting Hellas Hellas or Marconi or whatever??? That doesnt make sense to me when I see other people who dont care... Im pretty sure a very tiny minority of Hellas Verona fans are ethnically Greek but they have no problem with it in Italy why does it bother you here? I would 100% accept that you hate my club (or any other effnik club) because of the team, or the fans or that one annoying prick on the internet that doesnt stop talking about them, no problem with that, but just because they chant a "foreign" name doesn't make sense, at least to me? I hate lots of clubs but NOT because the are Italian or Maltese or Croatian or whatever.Whether Mono, you or I like it or not, there are many football fans who feel the same, they want to follow a Australian football club (who the owner is is irrelevant). My wife is English & my heritage is Portuguese, I do not want to follow an Australian club that chants Por-tu-gal or En-gur-land, but that is me, others may & that is ok, but if you don't see how this may affect your ability to attract a different demographic, these 'effnik' clubs needed to adapt, but they choose not to. No buddy we dont NEED to adapt to anything... You might want us to but it is OUR right NOT too.... Thats the whole point. We ARE Australian football clubs and AUSTRALIAN owned at that. We live in a country that gives us the right to participate in this multicultural tapestry of Australian-ess without having to confirm to what you or anyone else thinks is the "right way" If you are not comfortable with that, that is absolutely your right, but you cannot make others comply with what you want. Leave it to each individual club to morph into whatever their members choose. Like i said to you ages ago, you (me and everyone else) choose a club for often, really silly reasons, but you want to follow who you want to follow. I agree there are many fans that dont agree with me and have jumped on board these franchises (why they didnt do it when similar existed 30-40 years ago is a WHOLE other story) because they dont feel part of what they see as a foreign culture. But there are also thousands of "old soccer" fans who have been left out in the cold because of who they/we support... When we see that soccer in this country has been SOLD to foreign investors, when we see the Abu Dabi group basically dictating the very future of our national teams and "clubs" are business entities to make profit for overseas investors, dont you think it is a little lame to worry about 15 year old kids chanting "Cro-at-zi-a" or whatever? I'll give a go. So why would you expect the club's supporters to not use the nickname it has had for generations? Why would you also not accept that a big chunk of our current fans dont even speak Greek or have any Greek background anymore yet still love the name and the chant???I do expect them to change, I'm all good with it. My question is how do you appeal to a different demographic Non Greeks & those not living in close vicinity to Olympic park?
How can they possibly unite when the APL, the franchsie owners and its fans actively admit that pro/rel will cause the APL franchises to fold... they simply cant sustain living in a semi pro environment without foreign owners propping up the finances?This is the idea of an open competition & allow for pro /rel, if clubs do fall into 2nd tier I do not understand why they cannot continue until either they get back to top tier or stay in the NST. Sth Melb, Marconi etc has all survived. No Robbo I am unhappy at the REASON South Melbourne is not the top tier... If you don't understand the difference then you surprise me because you have been following football globally for decades like I have... You mentioned that you follow Derby, would you NOT feel the same way if the EPL formed a Super League and Derby could NEVER EVER play in the top flight again or would you just shrug your shoulders and accept it?
I followed Derby back in the 70s when they won the 2nd division (Championship) & 2 years later won the 1st division (premier league), these days teams coming up from the Championship goes back down to the champions a season or 2 later. If you don't think the EPL is a super league with 4 teams Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal & Spurs, the big 4, now they are joined by Foreign owned teams (Man City, Newcastle & Chelsea) as super cubs. Derby will never ever win the Premiership ever again. Hence I don't follow the PL, just the players & coach (Ange). I have accepted it. Fine but when I asked you why one type of foreign ownership doesnt bother you and another does you went off about chanting Hellas Hellas or Marconi or whatever??? That doesnt make sense to me when I see other people who dont care... Im pretty sure a very tiny minority of Hellas Verona fans are ethnically Greek but they have no problem with it in Italy why does it bother you here? I would 100% accept that you hate my club (or any other effnik club) because of the team, or the fans or that one annoying prick on the internet that doesnt stop talking about them, no problem with that, but just because they chant a "foreign" name doesn't make sense, at least to me? I hate lots of clubs but NOT because the are Italian or Maltese or Croatian or whatever.
This is the crux, I don't follow foreign ownership, when I started following SFC & the A-League, it was Australian club in an Australian league, now SFC are foreign owned, but are they, it's now owned by Scott Barlow, but I don't care of the owners. Now I don't hate your club or any 'effnik' club. All I said I choose not to follow clubs during the NSL because they were deemed too mono culture & they brought their issues from home. Greek clubs not liking Macedonian clubs, Serbian clubs not liking Croatian clubs. This was my choice not to follow these clubs, not hating on them. No buddy we dont NEED to adapt to anything... You might want us to but it is OUR right NOT too.... Thats the whole point. We ARE Australian football clubs and AUSTRALIAN owned at that. We live in a country that gives us the right to participate in this multicultural tapestry of Australian-ess without having to confirm to what you or anyone else thinks is the "right way" If you are not comfortable with that, that is absolutely your right, but you cannot make others comply with what you want. Leave it to each individual club to morph into whatever their members choose. Like i said to you ages ago, you (me and everyone else) choose a club for often, really silly reasons, but you want to follow who you want to follow. I agree there are many fans that dont agree with me and have jumped on board these franchises (why they didnt do it when similar existed 30-40 years ago is a WHOLE other story) because they dont feel part of what they see as a foreign culture. But there are also thousands of "old soccer" fans who have been left out in the cold because of who they/we support... When we see that soccer in this country has been SOLD to foreign investors, when we see the Abu Dabi group basically dictating the very future of our national teams and "clubs" are business entities to make profit for overseas investors, dont you think it is a little lame to worry about 15 year old kids chanting "Cro-at-zi-a" or whatever?
Again, not asking you to adapt, I'm telling you that this is what the administration at the time (FFA) wanted & didn't want. Like I said in regards to PL (other leagues even worse), the rich clubs get richer (Man U & Liverpool) & the poor clubs (Derby) can go get stuff, the English FA don't give a shit, because they are making so much money. The Australian APL had the chance to include Sth Melb in the A-League & I felt they should've but they choose not to, not because of racism, but due to Sth Melb are deemed still deemed Mono cultured. You seem to be pissed of with me on this, but I didn't make the decision, but highlighting why so many football fans & the football admin deem certain NSL clubs as still mono cultured. Happy for you to continue to follow your team as you choose to do, do but don't call me a racist, when I point out why you are not in the top tier. Robbo ..... mate, that very sentence below IS racism. Dont you see it.? How can you say it wasnt racism but that South was supported by one race??? Its the same thing its like saying its not night time the sun is on the other side of the planet. lol The Australian APL had the chance to include Sth Melb in the A-League & I felt they should've but they choose not to, not because of racism, but due to Sth Melb are deemed still deemed Mono cultured. IT IS ILLEGAL AND IMMORAL IN 2024 AUSTRALIA TO EXCLUDE A GROUP OF PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE, CREED, COLOUR, RELIGION and THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION. Anyway, Im not pissed off with you on this I know you are just explaining what FFA did I just see it as wrong... I am sad however that you have given up on Derby though, for me that is the tragedy in all this... I refuse to believe Derby will never win the Prem again... As long as there is a club, supporters and a way to be able to be promoted into the top tier there is ALWAYS hope... Yes the money is unfair but look at Man City, Newcastle, Aston Villa, West Ham where were they a couple of decades ago compared to now? The Aleague is CLOSED FOR GOOD... Dont blame me, blame those that set it up. I have not given up on Derby, I still follow them in League 1, hopefully back up to championship next year. It's the big leagues that I only follow the players & Coach. Man City will win PL again, Real Madrid will win La Liga again (this time not Barcelona), Bayern Munich will win Bundesliga, unless a surprise this year & Bayen wins next year, PSG will win Ligue 1 & well the Serie A is the one with 4 possible winners. No longer will a Notts Forest, Porto or Red Star Belgrade ever win the champions league again either. It's the super league. Dont say never mate..... Never give up hope. It's ok I have Sydney FC, that's my club. Yeah man, fair enough, good luck to you in the season starting soon, APIA and Sydney U58 look like they will be tough to beat and I hear Olympic has recruited well so top 4 finish would be quite an achievement for the youth team. BTW what is your take on the APL "commish" coming out with the revelation that now: “ In the men's we're a development league, first and foremost"Does it make the Aleague less or more exiting to know that results and sporting competition aren't really the focus? Answer to first line, I see 'BLUE', you see 'RED'. For the 2nd comment, I go back to my comment on Derby & other poorer clubs, they will not win the big competitions. Look at the sub bench of both Liverpool & Man City this week, WOW, they would probably run 5-6 in the PL if they were to Man City & Liverpool reserves to play. We are all development clubs & leagues to the bigger clubs & the leagues, even Man City will lose Harland to Real Madrid & Liverpool will lose Salah to Saudi Arabian club. Money talks. This is how is works I don't like it, but how it works. Like I said I don't follow any PL or the champions leagues clubs (because it's all about money), I just follow the players & coaches (eg Ronaldo at RM, Ange at Spurs). I have accepted reality. just to carry on between us invested supporters of the game. Going back to the early days there has always been the stronger Clubs win more than not, a small Club made ground and may have done a Leicester so for eg having looked back on English First Div as it was from 1960 to 92 - pre EPL. The poorer or smaller Clubs, your Derby (though not looked small back then) Ipswich, Toffees, Villa, Forest and Leeds < again not small back in the day, possibly none were tbh. Over 32yrs thats 6 Clubs - LFC won 13times, United/City Arsenal/Leeds/Derby won titles as well. They all bought players, more so from up north mainly back then and the odd euro. Another is how many won any other external comp like European Cup/CL - bugger all just as today,no point mentioning the few that did. EPL '92 on the big money arrived due to Murdoch Sky paying the FA and here we are. More $$$ than ever before and that more so comes down to Club smart management not just the $. Game became even more the business in the backroom and smarter Clubs prevail, rightly and wrongly fudging books but how it is, there we're shonks back in the day as mentioned. It is what it is, LFC won back in those heydays due to astute buying, so did Juve/RM/Bayern etcetc the figures are much higher than in the past and we know more compared long ago. Importantly the Club is still the Club from a supporter POV and the Clubs DNA is there for all to see AND there is always the chance falling off the cliff and you pay for it. I played my regular golf game this morn with a fellow ex football Derby playing mate, happily saying they are doing ok climbing back up the ladder despite long way to go but he's a Club man not following individuals. Considering you mention its all about the money, so is AL in its own small way despite the cap. Is Manly not more appealing looking at it from a low level $ perspective and organically the term they use today.
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+xThe thing that gets me is a new competition with a reasonable high standard of playing will add to Football as a whole, and that can only be good for the A-l... and in reverse the A-L going good is good for the National Second Tier... Not while they can still pinch players for 7k and academy stars for nothing Mid.... More money in the NST will hopefully help turn off the taps for the Aleague for while as NST clubs will offer full time wages and playing time.
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+xhahaha you ain't going to get a double thats for sure ! :) bullshit, the scotches will be flowing paisano :P
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The thing that gets me is a new competition with a reasonable high standard of playing will add to Football as a whole, and that can only be good for the A-l... and in reverse the A-L going good is good for the National Second Tier...
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hahaha you ain't going to get a double thats for sure ! :)
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+x+xfirst npl match for me thanks for sharing the link quality surprisingly decent rubbish pressing and squeezing (which you would expect if they aren't full time pros) but technically decent Which makes me wonder how many of these players aren't getting chances in the a league because it takes them a year to get them up to speed, but if a club did put in the effort there are players that look good enough technically the nst might provide a bigger shot in the arm than I thought if this is indicative of the npl talent first up Thanks Bohemia posting up the VicPL link ! I'm a lazy bugga and seeing the link I went on watching MSC's fellas and MK's 1st game. As mentioned 1st game and changed line ups need work so not surprised, I actually thought MK retained possesion better than MSC's SMh for longer periods. Graz, give them all time as semi pros to get up to speed then you'll see some good games. Watching FNSW NPL as I do its damn competitive and pretty good imo. The rare times a NPL1 player is drafted is most times when window is open that a AL Club is in injury pickle needing to fill a void, therefore the poor NPL bloke being semi pro isn't up to AL Pro speed in fitness and more times coming off the bench. In the meantime that player shined through his NPL games but being thrown in the deep end by the AL Club they are judged too harshly and at times played out of position. Just can't win alot of times and this is our conundrum. There is alot of good technical players that given the decent chance could prevail alot. Same applies to the countless U20's who if given more chance in Snr league has alot of potential what we desparately need. So yer, NST has alot going for it as long as plenty gets bloody well behind it with open eyes and not ol ethnic bs excuse's - importantly supporters. I'm elightened from my own family perspective and sons mates. No influence from me might I add, these millenial kids of mine and regular playing mates can't gravitate to the AL/APL. Sure they have gone to some derbies but really dgaf about it, my boys have said all in to APIA/SU games and their football mates (greeks to SO games) have said they will as well. We need this work no doubt about it and it doesn't need 5/10K at games. 500-3k is fine by me, I hate large crowds in any case, luv the small grounds, you feel part of the club and game, less que for food and seating. You ARE a lazy bugger but were still gonna smash both APIA and SU when they come down here next year. hahahahahaahahaahah
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Ummm, just checked the South v MK youtube link and 13.5 K views in 18 hours (hhehehehe no they couldn't all possible be me) considering most other youtube streams from previous years have 4,000-5,000 views max I wonder what was different last night?
A "little birdy" mentioned that the NST "broadcast deal" was looking at ways to "monetise" the Youtube channel and that this years NPL would be a guinea pig.... I dont know anything about it just wondering if anyone has heard anything similar.
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+xfirst npl match for me thanks for sharing the link quality surprisingly decent rubbish pressing and squeezing (which you would expect if they aren't full time pros) but technically decent Which makes me wonder how many of these players aren't getting chances in the a league because it takes them a year to get them up to speed, but if a club did put in the effort there are players that look good enough technically the nst might provide a bigger shot in the arm than I thought if this is indicative of the npl talent first up Thanks Bohemia posting up the VicPL link ! I'm a lazy bugga and seeing the link I went on watching MSC's fellas and MK's 1st game. As mentioned 1st game and changed line ups need work so not surprised, I actually thought MK retained possesion better than MSC's SMh for longer periods. Graz, give them all time as semi pros to get up to speed then you'll see some good games. Watching FNSW NPL as I do its damn competitive and pretty good imo. The rare times a NPL1 player is drafted is most times when window is open that a AL Club is in injury pickle needing to fill a void, therefore the poor NPL bloke being semi pro isn't up to AL Pro speed in fitness and more times coming off the bench. In the meantime that player shined through his NPL games but being thrown in the deep end by the AL Club they are judged too harshly and at times played out of position. Just can't win alot of times and this is our conundrum. There is alot of good technical players that given the decent chance could prevail alot. Same applies to the countless U20's who if given more chance in Snr league has alot of potential what we desparately need. So yer, NST has alot going for it as long as plenty gets bloody well behind it with open eyes and not ol ethnic bs excuse's - importantly supporters. I'm elightened from my own family perspective and sons mates. No influence from me might I add, these millenial kids of mine and regular playing mates can't gravitate to the AL/APL. Sure they have gone to some derbies but really dgaf about it, my boys have said all in to APIA/SU games and their football mates (greeks to SO games) have said they will as well. We need this work no doubt about it and it doesn't need 5/10K at games. 500-3k is fine by me, I hate large crowds in any case, luv the small grounds, you feel part of the club and game, less que for food and seating.
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