Interesting point about the ASA player's self-diagnosed problems after trialling in Japan.

Edited by Decentric: 5/7/2011 08:34:01 PM

"Yes the Aussie players are stronger, fitter and maybe faster but technically, I'd rate most of the Singaporean players I've seen as better than what I see from Aussie players in the A-League," he told au.fourfourtwo.com.

Basha speaks from experience. He is a former S-League player with Gombak United and has leveraged this relationship to take his academy on tour in Singapore.


Tony Basha must have been a pretty decent player if he played in the S League. I'd assume it would be somewhere between the A League and the VPL in standard. Does anyone know more about this subject?

In this state we have a paucity of this quality of footballer in retirement. He could do well in Tasmania running this sort of academy. Other than Morton's academy and our embryonic FFE, there are few opportunities outside state/rep/NTC programmes.

Brazilian Soccer Schools has started in Devonport.

Aussiesrus, is Tony Basha the main coach at ASA for elite players?

I just hope Roar and Mariners will be as good next year.

Roar have lost Solarzano and De Vere.

CCM may have lost Perez and Amini (probably).

This year Victory should have gone past the group stage. The had two or three disallowed goals in one of those last two matches and two genuine penalty claims in the other which weren't awarded.

Nevertheless, you make a valid point about A League teams needing to move beyond the group stages on a consistent basis. The Asian teams' technique stands them in good stead.

In previous stats compilations, most Australian players head the ball very well compared to Asian opposition. Many have also been taught to use their body well too in body on body contact.

The Asian players often have superior first touches and are more comfortable on the ball. They also pass and move better in tight spaces. Generally they need less space to work in.

Edited by Decentric: 23/6/2011 02:39:48 PM

Tony Basha makes some interesting points. One of the academy guys who is a 6ft 7 inch Sout African born bohemoth recently trialled for Albirex Niigata, I'll call him Player A. I spoke with him about his trials and he said one of things he had difficulty with was the asian quick style of play which left him in no mans land at times. Player A said one of the things he seriously needed to work on was to improve his speed of thinking. In the blink of an eye the asians can turn on a dime and leave bigger more physically stronger and fitter players floundering.

Asia is a very good place for younger players to travel to and gain great experience. It is more cost effective to tour asia than it is to tour the UK or USA. You know your going to face high quality fast paced technically well drilled sides.

Coaches do face these types of dilemmas when they look to their kickoff player lineup, then to benches for replacements. Do they pick the smaller more technically better player or go with size, pace and strength?

The right answer is the one which gives the best result.

Does the article have merit?

It is my opinion it certainly does. Looking back at the last ACL demise of our teams that never even made it out of the group stages indicates our mid-range teams are no match for the asian teams. Having said that though I really would have expected Brisbane Roar and Central Coast Mariners to make it out of the group stage. Silly to lag our best teams based on previous years table standings and does misconstrue our potential real results.

Singapore Under 19's are currently in Australia playing against some of our finest and are doing exceptionally well even against older more experienced sides.

If Australia is serious about it's belief that bigger, fitter, and stronger players are better then it needs to prove it by winning the ACL and Asian Cup. We have won neither to date. Being bigger, fitter, stronger is a great basis but technical skills are more important. This is also why Barcelona choose technique over size and strength and no-one can dispute their place on the world stage of football.

I'm not sure about Singaporeans, but Asian wide players - full backs and wingers, have worried Australian defences in the ACL with their dribbling ability. Australian wingers and full backs have been comparatively ineffectual against Asian opposition in the ACL.

At the start of the ACL games a few years ago, Australian teams sometimes steamrolled Asian teams in terms of physical strength. This disparity has been closed by Asian teams in the last few years.

I can't remember which Japanese team played Newcastle, but they considered them the physically strongest team they had ever played. That was with Ljubo and Tops as CBs and Adam Griffiths as DM.

Edited by Decentric: 21/6/2011 03:32:51 PM

I know of an Academy that will be touring China in July and that is ACTAS under the tutelage of Milan Milovanovic.

I think this is answered by your comments on the Dutch system and first touch.
If you and the ball are not in the same place as you were when you received the ball it’s hard to be pushed off it.

Performance section wasn't around in 2009.

The article elucidates an issue I've studied comprehensively in the ACL, World Cup qualifiers, our local premier league level and local youth teams I played in.

Like many on here I'm sick to death of you and one other trying to discredit nearly every person who posts on 442, or is a stakeholder in the Australian football community. It is as though you contend nothing should ever be posted here, when you start no positive football threads yourself. This is simply another personal attack on a 442 forum member by you, or the other force of darkness.

When I have more time I intend to come back to this post, because the same issues Basha has raised have been substantiated in match stats I've compiled.

If Aidan Ormond has covered what Basha has to say, 442 have sanctioned this article, so it should stay in Performance. If you don't like the topic, Judy, don't contribute.

Pure unadultered SPAM.

Bumping an article from 2009. :oops:

The logic behind his presence here has been well established i.e. he's been outed.

Mods need to get serious.

"On the ball they are calmer, in control, can turn out of trouble easier compared to most A-League Aussies," added Basha.

"At youth level in Singapore, they are improving all the time. Are we? And Australia has not been able to thrash Singapore in their last two games remember."

The debate about the technical ability of A-League players has come into sharp focus over the last week. The A-League-based Socceroos were handed a football lesson by a rampant Kuwait last week in an Asian Cup qualifier.


This technical superiority question is also shared by a former Asian senior international coach I know.

When I was playing football at 18 we had an injection of 4 Indonesian players in our team. They were all technically good on the ball, but were easily pushed off the ball.

Respond to the content/ideas in the post, Judy. Don't attack the person.:roll:

This is a genuine topic for discussion. It would be useful for you to start some genuine threads.

Aussiesrus has made plenty of useful contributions to football discussion in this section.

Great to see you back on forum mate!! Your contributions have been missed.
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Good article posted for discussion.

I was concerned about how the Aussie team would perform against Singapore in the under 23s. The Socceroos had struggled against the Singapore senior team.

Spam.

Get cracking, mods.

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