Great result again for ASA.=d>

It seems a short period of time for ASA to have secured contacts for two EPL youth players and an A League contract.

In this state our NTC program has been operating for about 5 years for both genders. This generous taxpayer funded program has produced no professional contracts for any local players in that period. One controversial point is that once in a NTC program, players are not allowed to play for their clubs or schools. In cricket and hockey, where Tasmania produces a number of full internationals, players in elite progams still train with their clubs as well.

Jeremy Walker had to go to Melbourne and play in local leagues to secure his contract with Heart.

One of our NTC coaches is assistant national under 20 coach. It would be interesting if our two NTC coaches swapped places with Tony Basha and the ASA coach operated the local NTC program? Would this state secure more pro contracts?










Edited by Decentric: 27/6/2012 06:51:44 PM

Another ASA lad about to make his mark. This time in Australia.

http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=73043

Edited by Aussiesrus: 28/2/2012 12:04:36 AM

Great result again for ASA.=d>

Interesting that so many players are winning overseas contracts from just one soccer school. ASA must have talented players. The question then needs to be asked - why are these players seeking ASA out?
I know some NTC programmes where they haven't even directly landed one A League or W League contract yet over a number of years.

Did that young 16 year old from Blacktown who has just signed for an EPL club have any involvement with ASA, Aussiesrus?

$6 000 per month is a considerable sum of money in Malaysia. There are 3 Malaysian ringgit to 1 Australian dollar ATM.






Edited by Decentric: 23/2/2012 01:19:36 PM

I think Julian is an ex-marconi lad..Not 100% sure...

ASA Star Julian Aguirre has signed a 1 year deal with S-League club Gombak United. The 20 year old midfielder was overwhelmed with his new club.

It's reported that Julian will be earning $6000 a month.

Julian scored his first goal against malaysian outfit Johor FC.

http://www.australasiansocceracademy.com.au/component/content/article/115.html

Edited by Aussiesrus: 23/2/2012 11:07:39 AM

Still romancing the stone I see.

*Yawn*

I am.

Whilst there remains a lot to be learnt, I am still hanging onto that warm glow after reading D's wise words from a few short years ago "KNVB methodology dictates that in order to make a longer pass you must strike the ball harder".



I sincerely hope you've been instructed to embrace a constructivist approach within an emancipatory framework, while scaffolding all the relevant metalanguage in order to redefine the cognitive process in light of disruptive technologies and a paradigm shift towards outcome-based pedagogy, yes?

You're just jealous, admit it. :lol:

And as a genuine football intellectual, I always post wearing this...

I have no idea what you just said. Forget i asked.

It is a moot point. I've vacillated over it.

The US courses may be accredited in Australia as part of a degree here.

I don't want to burn bridges by acting hastily. At my age I've done it too often in the past when I was younger.

The US experience gained clarified my relative's thinking about her future.

There are different perceptions of the value of scholarships from participants.

Why, then, did those responsible for the well being of your close relative, choose to pay a very large fee to nsr to help gain a scholarship at one of these often mediocre academic institutions, albeit for a short time? You didn't advise them of the your opinion?

It must have cost a small fortune with the nsr fee and travel ect, for what, a few months in the US?

Edited by skeptic: 15/12/2011 01:37:42 PM

A football intellectual? Be damned. It's not pedantic to continue to ask a question when an answer is avoided.

Subjectivism and pedantry on your part. You do the same in many posts. You are the archetypal, intellectual cynic.

Other posts often have more football content and interest me, and possibly others, more. Your posts can sometimes be deemed immaterial to football discussion.

I don't pursue every point on 442 if I disagree with it. Unless, asked a direct question.

Don't get me wrong, I often think you raise excellent antithetical points. But when advanced as a corollary to one specific troller, they can appear to be counterproductive. Being more selective as to when you proffer these perspectives may result in more responses.:-k

Skeptic, now that my fellow Tasmanian, Juve Juve, has made a welcome return to the forum, as another football intellectual like your good self, see if you can find some antithetical views to his. You'll have a rewarding exchange of views .:)

Edited by Decentric: 15/12/2011 12:08:39 PM

This is another example of a non answer, decentric. One can only make a guess to the meaning of a non answer to what was a very simple question. You can't see there can be a realistic perception that there's an avoidance of the question?

Let me asked you something, decentric. If you spot an incorrect statement that may wrongly sway the views or opinions of others or simply as a vehicle to further an argument in the favour of those making the statement, do you zip your lips?

If i see a statement i know to be incorrect or if i smell bullshit, I'll correct or question it, be it in a forum or to your face. You, personally, very often give non answers to questions and/or skirt the actual question.

An example is my questions to you about the requirements of FFT public liability insurance and why you couldn't or wouldn't meet them. I had to keep asking and still, the question was eventually half answered, not by yourself but by 'General', if i remember correctly. Getting a straight answer is akin to bashing one's head against a wall because you like the relief when you stop. Extremely frustrating.

Basically, I agree with the essence of your post.

The problem is that most of the serious unis in the USA, the Ivy League and the elite group that Stamford and UCLA are in , etc, don't give away sporting scholarships.

The ones that do are often mediocre academic institutions.


It is also difficult for international students to work in America, like they can at home.

So, the answer to my Q is zero?

Lol

On my relative's team were two American players who she considered were good enough for the Matildas. Coaches sometimes are self-interested enough to 'hide' players from higher honours too, as losing high calibre players can weaken a team.

The fact the two excellent US footballers weren't recruited at a higher level astonished her. They have hundreds of thousands of players in the USA training at professional intensity, so there can often be a degree of luck in gaining a pro contract.

To say NSR has failed because of players' not landing a pro contact is a specious and spurious, flawed argument. There are very few pro positions available for the number of footballers per capita head of population in the US.

I may even contact NSR and let them know about this thread.

Aro, you've been rubber stamped by the FFT great one.

Happy dayz. :d

You don't appear to give consideration to youngsters that might just want to use their sport as a vehicle to gain a subsidised education and experience another country whilst doing it. The vast majority of youngsters, including the elite among them, will never make a living from their chosen sport and will require an education, first and foremost

Judy Free exists on 442 primarily to mock most posters' comments, occasionally choosing to add some useful contributions to topics.

Sceptic posts to find antithetical arguments to any posts/threads, including Judy Free's, over many years on 442. It appears to be an intellectual exercise for Sceptic.

Arosina, who I know off forum and consider a mate, made a comment telling someone to 'copulate off'. This was out of character. He adds a lot of different perspectives and is a genuine football intellectual who happens to disagree with many positions I've taken. I may not agree with him at times, but agree the rationale to support his positions is often sound.

Arosina usually presents cogent alternative views and willingly debates points. Good on him. This forum is the better for his contributions.

My son's wish at the time was to do what he is now doing, using his degree, regardless of where it was gained, in a remote indigenous community. He wouldn't be in the position he presently is if he'd taken an offer, though we weren't to know this at the time as it was gained through where he conducted his practical training requirement during his degree.
He has travelled and experienced more than most his age and because he actually does have the goods, done extremely well.

And no, i make up my own mind, others don't do it for me. As a small business owner and self employed most of my life, or as Mr. Joe Public, I simply don't appreciate being lied to, regardless of the situation or the direction it's coming from.

Can someone please name three NSR grads that have gone onto a successful pro career?

I have some info regarding Asian placements/trials from the agent. Moreover, it iscloser to the subject of this thread.

It seems like there are currently no contact for Japan and Korea with this agent's company. It is a shame, because Japan seems to be universally enjoyed by players who play there.

It seems ASA have contacts for Japan for players want to play there in particular. It may be one of the best countries in the world to play football.

The agent/player manager/scout's company has links with a lot of east Asia. China, Thailand, India, Singapore are destinations where the agents' company has contacts.

Vietnam is considered too hard. Indonesia is considered unpredictable.

Also, Asian clubs expect players to pay for trials. This causes disquiet amongst triallists. They are often happy to pay for trials in Europe, but not Asia.

Also, the football recruiting company has contacts with Holland, Germany and France through the Belgian agent.

They also have contacts with Scotland through their English agent.

One of advantages of the straight out trials over US scholarships is playing in first world football cultures. Rich Asian nations currently have more money for football than Europe.

I,m glad things all worked out for your son

As I said and my last comment on this, its a business for them, high pressured or not this is the world of sales, beleive what you want based on what they tell you and like you did you dont have to take the offer up.
We didnt even attend trials and accepted based on our own timing, not theirs. Their timing is the "pressure tatics" you talk about but its there way of getting you in quick, you didnt have to meet their timing you could have taken your time and they still would have accepted you like we did!!
This is just being experienced in dealing with sales people

I can gauretee you if your son had the goods you would have done well out of this. One of the other biggest forms of mind confusion is also being influenced by other parents opinions, sounds like this happened in your senario as well.

I totally agree that you shouldnt let people pressure you, but just becasue you are being pressure as part of the "sell" doesnt make it bad.

Summary
We had a quality player (not everyone has)
We took our own time to commit, they accepted this (not everyone will try this)
We got numerous and affordable offers

I see. IQ of a coconut. No wonder you don't get answers and are ignored.

Consider it done.

After your previous post trying the shoot the messenger, you want courtesy? Attempt to smack me in the mouth and you'll get double in return.

Excuse me Silver, but read my original comments on the subject of the methodology of getting this kids to an interview, the sham trials they claimed were to choose only those with stand out ability and then trying to sign every one of them regardless of ability and with little knowledge of their ability. As is aid previously, my son, along with all others were pressured to sign contracts and that's my point.

There were a handful of the best youth in the state league among all the player's parents present saying no the signing, with the exception of one.

When we realised they had bullshitted re the trials it put initial doubt in our minds re the legitimacy of the process, then the interviews on top of being told we couldn't have a week or so to think about it, that it was today or never, rang loud alarm bells and confirmed all wasn't what we were led to believe.

We all decided as a group that perhaps there may be opportunity for a scholarship but we didn't want to have any further dealings with this agency, regardless. If they had been honest from the start, not gone through a stage show, not told lies and not used high pressure practice such as not allowing any time for consideration, it may have been a different matter.

edit .. For myself, the game itself and a scholarship was no more than a vehicle to experience a different culture while conducting a subsidised education. He now has a degree, a full time career position and is happy as Larry.

Edited by skeptic: 15/12/2011 09:40:45 AM

I think this is a fair comment, Silvergate.=d>

A number of players have had an opportunity they wouldn't have had without NSR.

There were no high pressure tactics from NSR in our case.

Our research had been sound enough. NSR presented scenarios.

One point made by a friend, which was belatedly significant when I realised the ramifications, was that her 4 year US degree (from a very good US university) would have only taken 3 years to complete in Australia. The first year of a degree in the US is a waste of time.