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Hey doea anyone know whats best at half time for players to snack on.....
fluids obviously....but what about fruit??? bananna's??? watermelon???
is there a techniacl sports science answer to this?????
cheers
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Arthur
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I find to get the maximum interest and performance for juniors we provide snakes or jelly beans.
For the big games I ensure each child has a short black before kick off. :-"
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notorganic
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Left of field suggestion, but maybe try something starchy like a rice ball or sweet potato.
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batfink
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well i was hoping someone might know some sports science as its for a NSWPL team......i heard somewhere that the old oranges at half time a very bad for the athlete...??? not sure if it true...
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batfink
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notorganic wrote:Left of field suggestion, but maybe try something starchy like a rice ball or sweet potato. you reckon???? can see pro footballers running around with sticky mouths all gluggy and that......
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Yeah, might be better for post-game.
What are you generally feeding them post-game currently?
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Arthur
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I do know that Melbourne Victory players would have pizza's after a game to load up on carbohydrates. When i asked around it had something to do with their Sports Scientists recomendations. Sandwiches would do just as well, but I have no official literature. When I played in the Ameatuer League we used the following to keep us going. These are my recomendations only use only with expert advice. Before, halftime and after the match;  Assisted with breathing and coughing. While this would help rehydrate after a match only. Too much before a match would affect shooting too much.  I just remebered some players used to take this;  But we banned it, we thought it was performance enhancing. Edited by Arthur: 23/6/2011 12:46:56 PM
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General Ashnak
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:lol: Seriously though, night before should be steamed white meat, vegetables, rice. Breakfast should be fruit juice and carbs. Prior to game should be fluids (water is best as far as I am concerned). Half time I am not so sure about, but would avoid fruit juices etc, water and maybe some form of combo sugar/carb item - I actually like the rice ball idea (it wouldn't be gluggy). Post game would be a high carb meal with plenty of fluids again. That is my perspective as a rower (which Chips is going to love!).
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batfink wrote:Hey doea anyone know whats best at half time for players to snack on.....
fluids obviously....but what about fruit??? bananna's??? watermelon???
is there a techniacl sports science answer to this?????
cheers I've just sought advice from a former sports science HSC student who is a split state league senior player. Powerade (and whichever other sports drinks are similar) replenish sodium lost during the first 45 minutes, as well as replenishing the fluids lost. Apparently oranges produce acid.
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batfink
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notorganic wrote:Yeah, might be better for post-game.
What are you generally feeding them post-game currently? well post game they do jack shit which is really bad.....i read an article on the AIS site and they say DIRECTLY after playing and training you need to load up .....they also recommend fluids at half time only ...as in sports drinks as they act faster...... night/day prior is any high level carbs.... i know my son says that you have to hydrate prior to the game untill your piss is clear....only then are you adequately hydrated.....
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General Ashnak
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Something to always remember with sports drinks is that they are chock full of sugar, they need to be considered soft drinks away from a sports environment.
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Arthur wrote:I do know that Melbourne Victory players would have pizza's after a game to load up on carbohydrates. When i asked around it had something to do with their Sports Scientists recomendations. Sandwiches would do just as well, but I have no official literature. When I played in the Ameatuer League we used the following to keep us going. These are my recomendations only use only with expert advice. Before, halftime and after the match;  Assisted with breathing and coughing. While this would help rehydrate after a match only. Too much before a match would affect shooting too much.  I just remebered some players used to take this;  But we banned it, we thought it was performance enhancing. Edited by Arthur: 23/6/2011 12:46:56 PM :d :d :d :d :d :d :d :d :d
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General Ashnak wrote:Something to always remember with sports drinks is that they are chock full of sugar, they need to be considered soft drinks away from a sports environment. yes thats a good point..... i have been told that hydration before play in best done with water and sports drink leading upto the game ...final hours or so...then sports drinks only during the gaem as they act quicker....any idea's????
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batfink
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Decentric wrote:Arthur wrote:I do know that Melbourne Victory players would have pizza's after a game to load up on carbohydrates. When i asked around it had something to do with their Sports Scientists recomendations. Sandwiches would do just as well, but I have no official literature. When I played in the Ameatuer League we used the following to keep us going. These are my recomendations only use only with expert advice. Before, halftime and after the match;  Assisted with breathing and coughing. While this would help rehydrate after a match only. Too much before a match would affect shooting too much.  I just remebered some players used to take this;  But we banned it, we thought it was performance enhancing. Edited by Arthur: 23/6/2011 12:46:56 PM :d :d :d :d :d :d :d :d :d well i hate to admit that when i was being paid to play i would have a few sudafed tablets and a can of coke 20 mins before the match and used to kick arse same when i played rugby union.....but id suggest thats not very good for my heart....... Edited by batfink: 23/6/2011 06:03:10 PM
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General Ashnak
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Wouldn't work anymore unless you decide to start taking amphetamines since pseudoephedrine isn't available in over the counter meds. As for the sports drinks, in a sport environment I think they are appropriate - just not away from it. edit as I seriously sucked at spelling! Edited by General Ashnak: 24/6/2011 10:48:55 AM
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I did a bit more digging around Paleo for athletes (because that's my dig), it's not football specific but I found this interesting. Stage I: Eating Before Exercise In brief, we recommend that athletes eat low to moderate glycemic index carbohydrates at least two hours prior to a hard or long workout or race. There may also be some fat and protein in this meal. All foods should be low in fiber. Take in 200 to 300 calories for every hour remaining until exercise begins. If eating two hours prior is not possible, then take in 200 or so calories 10 minutes before the workout or race begins. Stage II: Eating During Exercise During long or hard workouts and races you will need to take in high glycemic index carbohydrates mostly in the form of fluids. Sports drinks are fine for this. Find one that you like the taste of and will drink willingly. Realize that events lasting less than about an hour (including warmup) don’t require any carbohydrate. Water will suffice for these. A starting point for deciding how much to take in is 200 to 400 calories per hour modified according to body size, experience and the nature of the exercise (longer events require more calories than short). Stage III: Eating Immediately After In the first 30 minutes postworkout (but only after long and/or highly intense exercise) and postrace use a recovery drink that contains both carbohydrate and protein in a 45:1 ratio. You can buy a commercial product such as Ultrafit Recovery™ (www.ultrafit.com) for this. Or you can make your own by blending 16 ounces of fruit juice with a banana, 3 to 5 tablespoons of glucose (such as CarboPro) depending on body size, about 3 tablespoons of protein powder, especially from egg or whey sources and two pinches of salt. This 30minute window is critical for recovery. It should be your highest priority after a hard workout or race. Stage IV: Eating for Extended Recovery For the next few hours (as long as the preceding challenging exercise lasted) continue to focus your diet on carbohydrates, especially moderate to high glycemic load carbohydrates along with protein at a 45:1 carbprotein ratio. Now is the time to eat nonoptimal foods such as pasta, bread, bagels, rice, corn and other foods rich in glucose as they contribute to the necessary carbohydrate recovery process. Perhaps the perfect Stage IV foods are raisins, potatoes, sweet potatoes and yams. Stage V: Eating for LongTerm Recovery For the remainder of your day, or until your next Stage I, return to eating a Paleo Diet by focusing on optimal foods. For more information on the Paleo Diet go to www.thepaleodiet.com or read The Paleo Diet by Loren Cordain, Ph.D.
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batfink wrote:General Ashnak wrote:Something to always remember with sports drinks is that they are chock full of sugar, they need to be considered soft drinks away from a sports environment. yes thats a good point..... i have been told that hydration before play in best done with water and sports drink leading upto the game ...final hours or so...then sports drinks only during the gaem as they act quicker....any idea's???? from memory the electroltyes in sports drinks help the body absorb water, so its probably a good idea to drink both
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General Ashnak
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Good info, cheers!
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Quote:EAT WELL, DRINK WELL, PLAY WELL Tips for better drinking during football are: PRE-GAME • The hydration process should start at least 4 hours before the game. You should aim to consume 1-2 glasses (500mls) of fluid every hour before the game. • Immediately before training or games you should consume 1-2 glasses (500mls) of fluids. DURING TRAINING/GAMES • Drink well during half time breaks, approximately 1-2 glasses (500mls) at half time. • In hot weather, drink more and take drinks during stoppages in play. POST-GAME • Players should aim to drink approximately 1.2-1.5 litres of fluid in the 4-6 hours following competition. Water vs Sports Drinks- What’s best? • Sports drinks all contain 6-8% carbohydrate and 12-18mmol/L of sodium which are essential in refuelling the body. • Water is still a suitable option during exercise, however it does not stimulate fluid intake to the same extent as sports drinks. • Cordial, soft drinks and juice are generally a less suitable choice. Tips for better eating during football are: PRE-GAME Time Before Game Suggested Food Choices 3-4 hours crumpets with jam or honey + flavoured milk baked potato + cottage cheese filling + glass of milk baked beans on toast breakfast cereal with milk bread roll with cheese/meat filling + banana fruit salad with fruit-flavoured yoghurt pasta or rice with a sauce based on low-fat ingredients (e.g. tomato, vegetables, lean meat) 1-2 hours liquid meal supplement milk shake or fruit smoothie sports bars (check labels for carbohydrate and protein content) breakfast cereal with milk cereal bars fruit-flavoured yoghurt fruit Less than 1 hour sports drink carbohydrate gel cordial sports bars jelly lollies POST-GAME A post-match meal of sandwiches (with meat/cheese filling), soup, fruit, and carbohydrate-containing drinks (e.g. low-fat flavoured milk, fruit juice, or sports drinks) after the game at the club or in the car on the way back from ‘away’ matches can get recovery off to a good start. This information has been provided from the Australian Institute of Sport. For further information please refer to the AIS website www.ausport.gov.au/ais/nutritionIf there are any further questions regarding this topic or areas of interest you would like covered in future editorials please contact either a Jubilee Sports Physiotherapy clinic or email jubileesportsphysio@optusnet.com.au. This information is provided to Sutherland Shire Football Association by Jubilee Sports Physiotherapy as part of its commitment to Shire football and the SSFA. http://shirefootball.com.au/dealing-with-injuries/hydration-and-nutrition/
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General Ashnak
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Great bit of info there as well, have had milk recomended to me before as a pre/post match beverage.
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batfink
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pretty much what we are doing, good to see we are on track.....except we used to have the players in after the game and they used to have a feed, now they sort themselves out....
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Flavoured Milk, Cordial, Lollies, Flavoured yoghurt...
LOL.
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General Ashnak
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notorganic wrote:Flavoured Milk, Cordial, Lollies, Flavoured yoghurt...
LOL. I agree on the flavoured side of things, but plain milk is not a bad choice. Some of the items seem very American (i.e. full of simple sugars) but a lot of it was not bad as far as suggestions go.
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Pre game used to be bananas and couple of sudafed plus a can or two V, black prefered...
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zoebonnie wrote:Pre game used to be bananas and couple of sudafed plus a can or two V, black prefered... As I've got older I have tended to eat less before a game... Saturday morning be a good dump, followed by a piece of toast and a coffee, nothing more except fluids till kick off.
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zoebonnie wrote:zoebonnie wrote:Pre game used to be bananas and couple of sudafed plus a can or two V, black prefered... As I've got older I have tended to eat less before a game... Saturday morning be a good dump, followed by a piece of toast and a coffee, nothing more except fluids till kick off. Yeah but at our age there's farkall running, so no need to load up the calories. That said, a semi decent meal 2 to 3 hours before kickoff would be close to ideal. Half time intake, no more than 100 to 200 mls of a sports drink or perhaps a gel (BSC, Glu, Endura etc).
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Good info. I generally have cereal or toast before the game at home, which is generally 2 hours before for me. Water before the game and during warmup and then a tiny bit of powerade just before KO. More sports drink at HT with a bit of water too.
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