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aussie pride
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+xThe render is a fun brainstorm but totally unrealistic. Nobody is going to sit in a seat at one goal end with multiple thick concrete pylons obstructing their view. Terrace up to them farken and besser block the back to bring da noize
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bohemia
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The render is a fun brainstorm but totally unrealistic. Nobody is going to sit in a seat at one goal end with multiple thick concrete pylons obstructing their view.
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So you're suggesting all we need is a bunch of billionaires happy to throw several hundred million bucks into building stadiums for local football teams. Ok great, i'll check my phonebook...
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aussie scott21
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Personally I think it is overkill with a massive grandstand, as you probably wouldnt get to build it (due to the neighbourhood) and you take out the second pitch. Too big, but certainly on the right track.
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Top-down view. Old stand retained, away stand (952 seats) at north. The lower tier of the eastern stand (4360 seats) wraps around and connects with the home stand at the south (3248 seats). A standing area is located in the northeast corner, to house all the hooligans and suburban terrorists. The eastern upper stand holds 7044. 46 disabled seats, plus 92 companion seats, are located at pitchside. Total lower seating capacity is 9752, plus disabled seating and standing areas bringing total fan capacity to ~11000 for lower tier, and 18000 for total. 30 boxes are also included on the eastern upper stand. | Top-down view. Old stand retained, away stand (952 seats) at north. The lower tier of the eastern stand (4360 seats) wraps around and connects with the home stand at the south (3248 seats). A standing area is located in the northeast corner, to house all the hooligans and suburban terrorists. The eastern upper stand holds 7044. 46 disabled seats, plus 92 companion seats, are located at pitchside. Total lower seating capacity is 9752, plus disabled seating and standing areas bringing total fan capacity to ~11000 for lower tier, and 18000 for total. 30 boxes are also included on the eastern upper stand.  |
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View from the old stand | View from the old stand With the Brisbane Strikers desiring a spot in the A-League in the future, they need to find somewhere to play. Suncorp Stadium is not much of an option, given the other Brisbane team, the Roar, have been hampered by their rent of several million dollars for many years. This ground is designed to house the Strikers, though the Roar could benefit greatly from renting the facility. Due to a lack of accurate topographical data, the terrain is flat, though in reality the site rises from west to east. Also, owing to the long history of the Strikers in the finals series, Heimlich manouvre stations will be installed right around the venue.
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Sydney A-League coverage i would have said should be the bare minimum, which is you usually get a page for Sydney FC and then maybe a half page shared between jets and mariners and then the other half of that page for English league and sometimes La Liga. It does help in NSW there are 3 teams and the papers actually seem quite keen on the idea of Wollongong and Western Sydney because they often have stories about developments in these which get a half page or a third.
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WastedYouth
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Swissporarena in Lucerne, 16,800 just opened for cool 250mil.
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skeptic wrote:jonnyb wrote:
He was on the radio yesterday saying GCU's here to stay and, I kid you not, said "I've got a hundred million billion if needs be"
He actually said that? Just a teeny-weeny exaggeration? I think he just tripped over the words trying to get a point across, but nevertheless it had me laughing all the way to work.
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jonnyb wrote:
He was on the radio yesterday saying GCU's here to stay and, I kid you not, said "I've got a hundred million billion if needs be"
He actually said that? Just a teeny-weeny exaggeration?
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jonnyb wrote:Tom AUFC wrote:macktheknife wrote:Palmer wouldn't need to pay interest. I know his wealth is in the billions but most or that would be in assets/investments. I very much doubt he'd have hundreds of millions just sitting in his bank account waiting to be withdrawn... Who knows ? He was on the radio yesterday saying GCU's here to stay and, I kid you not, said "I've got a hundred million billion if needs be" 
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Tom AUFC wrote:macktheknife wrote:Palmer wouldn't need to pay interest. I know his wealth is in the billions but most or that would be in assets/investments. I very much doubt he'd have hundreds of millions just sitting in his bank account waiting to be withdrawn... Who knows ? He was on the radio yesterday saying GCU's here to stay and, I kid you not, said "I've got a hundred million billion if needs be" Edited by jonnyb: 12/8/2011 01:30:37 PM
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The image below taken from Stadia - A Design and Development Guide shows an example of staged development of a stadium from 3,000 to 20,000 capacity.  http://www.scribd.com/doc/13320073/Stadia-A-Design-and-Development-Guide
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Timmo
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I think as far as A-League teams go Adelaide United get a fair run even when AFL teams are performing good and bad. I think too that with the AFL saturated the media market its actually having a more negative effect than positive. I mean how many journo need to do opinion pieces, editorials and reports about the same subject.
this isn't a pot shot at AFL but a growing number (I would say a third) who would without fail go to games 5 years ago are finding the game less enjoyable to watch and are sick of pointless stories.
Anyway my point being is that it would be nice to see more coverage for our A-League teams without having to worry much about what coverage NRL/AFL. Little snippets here and there about the A-League is just not good enough as I found with disgust when I have picked up the West Australian on matchday.
Even for the Adelaide/Melbourne heart game last year the match report was barely half a page and this is in AFL's off season. I understand AFL is king but surely the A-league deserves a little bit more coverage than that.
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aussie pride
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If Clive did build a new stadium he should do something like this for one wing for all the corporates, executive boxes, tv cameras and foxsports etc  And then something basic like this for the other wing (the side which would get shown on tv) 
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ned7 wrote:Couldnt be much worse than the Courier Mail (Brisbane). We've been on the back page ONCE in our history as far as I can remember - and that was after the GF. The Courier is so Thugby League centred that NRL is usually on the back page even in the middle of football season with some rubbish story which would otherwise be no more than a column filler... come to think of it, Adelaide United do very well in the local rag. probably has something to do with our AFL sides being on the slide. If the Reds have as good as season as I hope they will, they could be overtaking Port as the second most popular football team in SA by the end of the season.
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Timmo wrote:Tom AUFC wrote:dale1878 wrote:What's the go with PG moving to the Hockey Centre? Nib is the perfect size for a city like Perth. They'd be stupid to move to another stadium, especially something smaller. Perhaps they need to address the real reason why none of their fans are rocking up anymore - ie. shit football from Fergie/Mitchell - rather than trying to downsize their venue for cost cutting purposes. Biggest cop-out ever if they abandon nib... I can tell you one main problem. Media coverage. You should compare the Advertiser's coverage on matchday for the reds compared to the west australian coverage of Perth Glory. Very big difference. Couldnt be much worse than the Courier Mail (Brisbane). We've been on the back page ONCE in our history as far as I can remember - and that was after the GF. The Courier is so Thugby League centred that NRL is usually on the back page even in the middle of football season with some rubbish story which would otherwise be no more than a column filler...
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Tom AUFC wrote:dale1878 wrote:What's the go with PG moving to the Hockey Centre? Nib is the perfect size for a city like Perth. They'd be stupid to move to another stadium, especially something smaller. Perhaps they need to address the real reason why none of their fans are rocking up anymore - ie. shit football from Fergie/Mitchell - rather than trying to downsize their venue for cost cutting purposes. Biggest cop-out ever if they abandon nib... I can tell you one main problem. Media coverage. You should compare the Advertiser's coverage on matchday for the reds compared to the west australian coverage of Perth Glory. Very big difference.
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nhub24 wrote:FC St. GallenAFG Arena Average crowd 13,000 Highest crowd 19,500 Stadium capacity 19,500~20,000 Can be expanded to 27,000 Cost: About 340 million AUD  Would be perfect for the Roar as we currently are... Surely a stadium of that size could be done cheaper though, given that the quoted price for this... nhub24 wrote:FC BaselSt. Jakob-Park Average crowd 29,000 Highest crowd 38,500 Stadium capacity 38,500 Can be expanded to 45,000 Cost: About 220 million AUD  ..is some A$120M cheaper despite being 66% bigger. Having said that though, if they upgraded Ballymore Stadium to have some semblance of public transport, that would be an ideal venue for us, with bigger games at Suncorp. I realise this does not solve the issue of teams owning their own stadia, but the cost of doing this is massive, and out of reach of most, if not all, A-League clubs. Would love a "Skilled Park" type Stadium for the roar up here... A sold out 20k seater would have much better atmosphere than 20k in a 52k stadium... Edited by ned7: 12/8/2011 09:12:36 AM
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Tom AUFC
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dale1878 wrote:What's the go with PG moving to the Hockey Centre? Nib is the perfect size for a city like Perth. They'd be stupid to move to another stadium, especially something smaller. Perhaps they need to address the real reason why none of their fans are rocking up anymore - ie. shit football from Fergie/Mitchell - rather than trying to downsize their venue for cost cutting purposes. Biggest cop-out ever if they abandon nib...
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What's the go with PG moving to the Hockey Centre?
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Man, can't help but feel jealous of some of that money and those stadiums being thrown around. If only Mr Lowy had built us 8 stadia around the country prior to HAL kick off. Dreams...
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GCU would get away with a 10-12k capacity stadium, a little boutique thing with good atmosphere, that would be all they need because they can just switch to Skilled Park for any finals games where they think they might draw a big crowd.
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200 million is still way to much for an A-League club though....
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Sirocco wrote:Gyfox wrote:
Stadium costs vary fairly much dependent on the quality of what is referred to as the "accommodation" back of the seating bowl and the number of tiers.
AAMI Park is a top of the range, iconic, regional stadium with expensive "accommodation". At $9,000 a seat you get what you are prepared to pay for.
True, Sporting Kansas City's Livestrong Park seats only 20,000 but cost $200 million as they went for a lot of bling. Im mean just check out the locker rooms !! http://www.thefreebeermovement.com/2011/06/photo-essay-livestrong-sporting-park_13.html That is an amazing stadium!! I wish we had some like that here. Also clubs should make their own stadiums so they can plaster their signs everywhere and make it feel like it's theirs.
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Tom AUFC wrote:
How much has Palmer lost so far from the Skilled Park stadium rent? The interest payments on a $110 million loan couldn't be a helll of a lot more, not to mention the extra revenue from third party usage of the stadium.
Even something with a capacity of 18k would be great. Room to grow, and an even cheaper cost...
Good quality stadium developments have a nominal design life of 50 years. What this means is that funds need to be set aside for replacement of the venue over that period of time. Alternatively you can just run the asset into the ground and leave the entire replacement cost for the next generation to pay. I am sure the accountants on the forum can enlighten us how the accounting standards deal with this issue but it is a cost to the owner often not considered by John A Citizen. Assuming 4% annual inflation the cost of replacing a $110M stadium in 50 years time is of the order of $780M and would require setting aside $5M annually.
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macktheknife wrote:Palmer wouldn't need to pay interest. Technically no, but if he spent the money he wouldn't have it sitting around earning interest anymore - so either way he loses money.
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Tom AUFC
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macktheknife wrote:Palmer wouldn't need to pay interest. I know his wealth is in the billions but most or that would be in assets/investments. I very much doubt he'd have hundreds of millions just sitting in his bank account waiting to be withdrawn...
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Palmer wouldn't need to pay interest.
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Tom AUFC
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Sirocco wrote:Tom AUFC wrote:
If you look at the MLS stadiums, most of them have cost less to build than AAMI Park, especially teams like Montreal Impact and Toronto FC. Anyone know why this is? Are we simply being ripped off?
Pretty much, everything is cheaper in the USA, Just as an example. The BMW M3 coupe in the USA is about $61,000 Aussie Dollars driveway, in Australia its $168,000 driveway.... Another MLS stadium being built currently. Houston Dynamo Stadium - 22,000 seats Cost $110 Million US.  Edited by Sirocco: 16/7/2011 02:28:54 PM How much has Palmer lost so far from the Skilled Park stadium rent? The interest payments on a $110 million loan couldn't be a helll of a lot more, not to mention the extra revenue from third party usage of the stadium. Even something with a capacity of 18k would be great. Room to grow, and an even cheaper cost...
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Gyfox
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toffeeAU wrote:To be a fly on the wall in the design studios of Populous, or better still to work for them=p~
Love their designs. Either buy or find in a Library somewhere a book by Rod Sheard called:- "THE STADIUM - Architecture for the new Global Culture". Its a good read and Patrick Bingham-Hall's photographs are great.
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