it may not be "world best practice" but it's location isn't gonna have any effect on attendance and profitability of the club.

We have clubs that have there own stadiums much like the Swiss League but the FFA wont recognise them.

We actually are killing the game here ourselves with this apartheid

maybe but those clubs have no fans and no money.

they have more money than the A-LEAGUE clubs and they have fans dude but when no one talks about you do you expect 10,000 people to rock up to your games?

Here in Europe clubs from within a country are respected by the governing bodies and media they are not thrown out to the trash, will Australian football ever get over this apartheid in the game?

Apartheid? Learnt a new word, have you? Well done.

Actually experience around the world shows crowds are significantly larger at better sited venues. Figures I have seen are in the 25% to %50 range when clubs have moved to these types of venues. As for the effect on profitability for the club of a move like this that is determined by stadium costs. Its not much use having bigger crowds but being worse off because of either the cost of financing the venue or hire costs exceed the extra gate revenue generated. The significantly improved economic benefit of a city venue has little to no effect on club profitability. The increased economic benefit to the community is generated by extra spending in the city by the fans not at the venue.

lol If Olympic, or any NSWPL club want to submit a bid to play in the A-League, they're welcome to. If they don't want to play by the same rules as HAL clubs do in respect to top-down control, then you should get the fuck down of your high horse and shut up.

The State league club's will never have to finacial backing to get into the A-League unless Joe Mirabella strikes again.

Except Wollongong. #truth

and in that little rant you've said why the location of Hindmarsh is perfectly fine where it is and the idea of moving AUFC/building a new stadium is rediculous and plain stupid.

given that if not for the A-League the stadiums that MV, SFC, MH Brisbane GCU would be empty for 5 months every year, i find it extraordinary that stadium management isn't willing to give the clubs deals that mean the clubs can not only survive long term, but grow. You'd think it would be a win-win for all concerned that clubs make a profit or at least break even.

Actually that is not what I have said. Seeing you want it put in different terms I will do that for you:-

When it comes to the time that Adelaide United need a larger capacity stadium then a central city location should be considered because it will optimise attendance and generate a significantly greater economic benefit for the community.

On the matter of attendances, Adelaide United's average attendance as a percentage of stadium capacity is already one of the highest in the country at 71% for home and away season games the last I checked and with sellouts on average of once a season since the inception of the League it should be regularly assessed for the adequacy of its capacity.

When does our Etihad deal end? Just wondering!

Anyone?

No clue.

The 25,000 seater Red Bull Arena in New Jersey cost about $200 million US. Amazingly Red Bull paid for it in cash !!!

Great looking stadium too. I'm sure you can get much cheaper stadiums than that.

I read somewhere that RB pour something like $100m a year into that team. :shock:

Supposedly, the MLS/Cosmos are looking to build a new venue in any of the city's major boroughs... Would be pretty sweet and can only imagine what the New York derbies would/could be like!

If you look at the MLS stadiums, most of them have cost less to build than AAMI Park, especially teams like Montreal Impact and Toronto FC. Anyone know why this is? Are we simply being ripped off?

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Mexican labour FTW!

Does anyone here know how to update and take an image and share it on this forum. I know click image but what do you put in the middle as a reference to the image like you do with youtube clips?

anyway animated youtube clip of red bull arena. Even though the Red Bulls say they are a New York team they really are in fact a New Jersey team since that is where Red Bull arena is based. Hence MLS desire to get a 2nd team in the tri-state area based at of the New York borough of Queens and why everyone wants the Cosmos back.

Mind you if we build a new stadium in Adelaide I like the red bull arena design.

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Pretty much, everything is cheaper in the USA,

Just as an example. The BMW M3 coupe in the USA is about $61,000 Aussie Dollars driveway, in Australia its $168,000 driveway....

Another MLS stadium being built currently.

Houston Dynamo Stadium -

22,000 seats Cost $110 Million US.








Edited by Sirocco: 16/7/2011 02:28:54 PM

Stadium costs vary fairly much dependent on the quality of what is referred to as the "accommodation" back of the seating bowl and the number of tiers.

Populous the designer of Houston Dynamo Stadium was also the designer of Metricon Stadium on the Gold Coast. They claim Metricon to be amongst the most cost efficient stadium builds in Australia. Its 25,000 seats cost A$144M or A$5,760 a seat. The Houston Dynamo Stadium which Populous describe as an urban stadium has a projected cost of US$5,000 per seat which not greatly different to Metricon.

AAMI Park is a top of the range, iconic, regional stadium with expensive "accommodation". At $9,000 a seat you get what you are prepared to pay for.

True, Sporting Kansas City's Livestrong Park seats only 20,000 but cost $200 million as they went for a lot of bling. Im mean just check out the locker rooms !!

http://www.thefreebeermovement.com/2011/06/photo-essay-livestrong-sporting-park_13.html

LSP is a great stadium. No detail overlooked is damn true - the toilet signs? Brilliant.

To be a fly on the wall in the design studios of Populous, or better still to work for them=p~

Love their designs.

Either buy or find in a Library somewhere a book by Rod Sheard called:- "THE STADIUM - Architecture for the new Global Culture". Its a good read and Patrick Bingham-Hall's photographs are great.

How much has Palmer lost so far from the Skilled Park stadium rent? The interest payments on a $110 million loan couldn't be a helll of a lot more, not to mention the extra revenue from third party usage of the stadium.

Even something with a capacity of 18k would be great. Room to grow, and an even cheaper cost...

Palmer wouldn't need to pay interest.

I know his wealth is in the billions but most or that would be in assets/investments. I very much doubt he'd have hundreds of millions just sitting in his bank account waiting to be withdrawn...