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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. That doesn’t stack up though.
An average player in an average team will have worse stats than an average player in a good team.
O’Sheas performances are very good, his stats prove that, and commentators are saying as much on tv and in the media Depends what stats. An average player in a good team will have less assists/chances created because other good players will take up there share. Because there are no other creative players in Roar, there is a heavy reliance on O'shea to create chances... therefore inflating his created chances stat. Jay O’Shea is leading the entire competition in many of these stats, so if anyone wants to argue that an average player in an average team is leading key competition stats for the entire A-League go ahead ... it won’t make sense though. It does make sense and is very simple. For example: at Brisbane everything runs through O'shea to create because the other players aren't good enough therefore inflating stats....then in Sydney lets take Ninkovic..he has other players such as Boumjohann Brattan Kosta Caceras Oniell who are also very good at creating chances therefore lowering the number of chances Ninkovic creates per game. THEN...you look at quality of chances created...Oshea has 6 more chances created then any other player...yet he doesn't make the top 10 in assists.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. That doesn’t stack up though.
An average player in an average team will have worse stats than an average player in a good team.
O’Sheas performances are very good, his stats prove that, and commentators are saying as much on tv and in the media Depends what stats. An average player in a good team will have less assists/chances created because other good players will take up there share. Because there are no other creative players in Roar, there is a heavy reliance on O'shea to create chances... therefore inflating his created chances stat. Jay O’Shea is leading the entire competition in many of these stats, so if anyone wants to argue that an average player in an average team is leading key competition stats for the entire A-League go ahead ... it won’t make sense though. It does make sense and is very simple. For example: at Brisbane everything runs through O'shea to create because the other players aren't good enough therefore inflating stats....then in Sydney lets take Ninkovic..he has other players such as Boumjohann Brattan Kosta Caceras Oniell who are also very good at creating chances therefore lowering the number of chances Ninkovic creates per game. THEN...you look at quality of chances created...Oshea has 6 more chances created then any other player...yet he doesn't make the top 10 in assists. You forgot to mention the shots butchered stats in which Brisbane are world beaters! :)
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. That doesn’t stack up though.
An average player in an average team will have worse stats than an average player in a good team.
O’Sheas performances are very good, his stats prove that, and commentators are saying as much on tv and in the media Depends what stats. An average player in a good team will have less assists/chances created because other good players will take up there share. Because there are no other creative players in Roar, there is a heavy reliance on O'shea to create chances... therefore inflating his created chances stat. Jay O’Shea is leading the entire competition in many of these stats, so if anyone wants to argue that an average player in an average team is leading key competition stats for the entire A-League go ahead ... it won’t make sense though. It does make sense and is very simple. For example: at Brisbane everything runs through O'shea to create because the other players aren't good enough therefore inflating stats....then in Sydney lets take Ninkovic..he has other players such as Boumjohann Brattan Kosta Caceras Oniell who are also very good at creating chances therefore lowering the number of chances Ninkovic creates per game. THEN...you look at quality of chances created...Oshea has 6 more chances created then any other player...yet he doesn't make the top 10 in assists. Your response is laughable, it’s obvious you’re out for a troll.
What you are saying is if every team was full of average players they’d create more chances.
Your message to Steve Corica at SFC would therefore be “Steve, if you get rid of all that quality in your team and replace it with average players, you can have the same stats as O’Shea”.
It’s nonsense.
The simple answer is O’Shea is a very good player and the stats and (professional) commentators statements back that up.
If he had more clinical finishers around him no one would have more assists than him, but as it is, only 7 players have created more assists than him and five of those have only created one more assist.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. That doesn’t stack up though.
An average player in an average team will have worse stats than an average player in a good team.
O’Sheas performances are very good, his stats prove that, and commentators are saying as much on tv and in the media Depends what stats. An average player in a good team will have less assists/chances created because other good players will take up there share. Because there are no other creative players in Roar, there is a heavy reliance on O'shea to create chances... therefore inflating his created chances stat. Jay O’Shea is leading the entire competition in many of these stats, so if anyone wants to argue that an average player in an average team is leading key competition stats for the entire A-League go ahead ... it won’t make sense though. It does make sense and is very simple. For example: at Brisbane everything runs through O'shea to create because the other players aren't good enough therefore inflating stats....then in Sydney lets take Ninkovic..he has other players such as Boumjohann Brattan Kosta Caceras Oniell who are also very good at creating chances therefore lowering the number of chances Ninkovic creates per game. THEN...you look at quality of chances created...Oshea has 6 more chances created then any other player...yet he doesn't make the top 10 in assists. You forgot to mention the shots butchered stats in which Brisbane are world beaters! :) We’d win Olympic gold for that one 😂
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. That doesn’t stack up though.
An average player in an average team will have worse stats than an average player in a good team.
O’Sheas performances are very good, his stats prove that, and commentators are saying as much on tv and in the media Depends what stats. An average player in a good team will have less assists/chances created because other good players will take up there share. Because there are no other creative players in Roar, there is a heavy reliance on O'shea to create chances... therefore inflating his created chances stat. I’d like to be able to see somewhere an analysis of the quality of the chances O’Shea has created. How many were clear cut good chances in the box where a team mate had a clear shot on goal, how many were half chances in the box, how many were the final pass a long range speculative shot, etc. My gut feel is that the quality of the chances created by O’Shea is probably a lot lower than many players from other teams. The stat that would answer that is xG which for Roar has been very high all season. So given O’Shea has created plenty of chances and xG is high your “gut feel” is probably wrong.
You can also watch the games as well.
Or you could listen to commentators like Bozza and others who are singing his praises. Thanks for the advice, how silly of me, I should have been watching games before I commented on here. And talking about advice, could you give me any pointers on where I could get a holier-than-thou attitude?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. That doesn’t stack up though.
An average player in an average team will have worse stats than an average player in a good team.
O’Sheas performances are very good, his stats prove that, and commentators are saying as much on tv and in the media Depends what stats. An average player in a good team will have less assists/chances created because other good players will take up there share. Because there are no other creative players in Roar, there is a heavy reliance on O'shea to create chances... therefore inflating his created chances stat. Jay O’Shea is leading the entire competition in many of these stats, so if anyone wants to argue that an average player in an average team is leading key competition stats for the entire A-League go ahead ... it won’t make sense though. It does make sense and is very simple. For example: at Brisbane everything runs through O'shea to create because the other players aren't good enough therefore inflating stats....then in Sydney lets take Ninkovic..he has other players such as Boumjohann Brattan Kosta Caceras Oniell who are also very good at creating chances therefore lowering the number of chances Ninkovic creates per game. THEN...you look at quality of chances created...Oshea has 6 more chances created then any other player...yet he doesn't make the top 10 in assists. Your response is laughable, it’s obvious you’re out for a troll.
What you are saying is if every team was full of average players they’d create more chances.
Your message to Steve Corica at SFC would therefore be “Steve, if you get rid of all that quality in your team and replace it with average players, you can have the same stats as O’Shea”.
It’s nonsense.
The simple answer is O’Shea is a very good player and the stats and (professional) commentators statements back that up.
If he had more clinical finishers around him no one would have more assists than him, but as it is, only 7 players have created more assists than him and five of those have only created one more assist. No I'm saying its easier to stand out in a team of average players. Which other team in the league would take O'Shea as a foreigner...maybe Jets.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. That doesn’t stack up though.
An average player in an average team will have worse stats than an average player in a good team.
O’Sheas performances are very good, his stats prove that, and commentators are saying as much on tv and in the media Depends what stats. An average player in a good team will have less assists/chances created because other good players will take up there share. Because there are no other creative players in Roar, there is a heavy reliance on O'shea to create chances... therefore inflating his created chances stat. I’d like to be able to see somewhere an analysis of the quality of the chances O’Shea has created. How many were clear cut good chances in the box where a team mate had a clear shot on goal, how many were half chances in the box, how many were the final pass a long range speculative shot, etc. My gut feel is that the quality of the chances created by O’Shea is probably a lot lower than many players from other teams. The stat that would answer that is xG which for Roar has been very high all season. So given O’Shea has created plenty of chances and xG is high your “gut feel” is probably wrong.
You can also watch the games as well.
Or you could listen to commentators like Bozza and others who are singing his praises. Thanks for the advice, how silly of me, I should have been watching games before I commented on here. And talking about advice, could you give me any pointers on where I could get a holier-than-thou attitude? How fucking old are you, 12?
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Waz
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. That doesn’t stack up though.
An average player in an average team will have worse stats than an average player in a good team.
O’Sheas performances are very good, his stats prove that, and commentators are saying as much on tv and in the media Depends what stats. An average player in a good team will have less assists/chances created because other good players will take up there share. Because there are no other creative players in Roar, there is a heavy reliance on O'shea to create chances... therefore inflating his created chances stat. Jay O’Shea is leading the entire competition in many of these stats, so if anyone wants to argue that an average player in an average team is leading key competition stats for the entire A-League go ahead ... it won’t make sense though. It does make sense and is very simple. For example: at Brisbane everything runs through O'shea to create because the other players aren't good enough therefore inflating stats....then in Sydney lets take Ninkovic..he has other players such as Boumjohann Brattan Kosta Caceras Oniell who are also very good at creating chances therefore lowering the number of chances Ninkovic creates per game. THEN...you look at quality of chances created...Oshea has 6 more chances created then any other player...yet he doesn't make the top 10 in assists. Your response is laughable, it’s obvious you’re out for a troll.
What you are saying is if every team was full of average players they’d create more chances.
Your message to Steve Corica at SFC would therefore be “Steve, if you get rid of all that quality in your team and replace it with average players, you can have the same stats as O’Shea”.
It’s nonsense.
The simple answer is O’Shea is a very good player and the stats and (professional) commentators statements back that up.
If he had more clinical finishers around him no one would have more assists than him, but as it is, only 7 players have created more assists than him and five of those have only created one more assist. No I'm saying its easier to stand out in a team of average players. Which other team in the league would take O'Shea as a foreigner...maybe Jets. It is easier to stand out in a team of average players. Agree. Eric Bautheac did that last year.
It is not easy to lead competition stats in the way O’Shea does in a team of average players.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 i think it was more questioning the stat "errors leading to shot/goal =0" i know the goal that he is talking about and while O'shae did end up on the wrong side of the attacker having your CM tracking the strikers run into the box while your LCD is in the centre of the box marking no-one completely out of position is hardly the CM error. yes he could have positioned himself better so that he was on the inside and yes he probably could have made more of a last ditch effort to block the shot but that really isnt his job. also that stat is about intercepted passes/getting tackled that directly lead to a shot/goal so his point was not valid anyway. As I said without knowing the goal/incident he was talking about it’s impossible to discuss.
What goal are we talking about?
Edit after posting: just saw your last paragraph. Agree - different stat he was talking about Dukes goal in the WSW wanderers win. but Gillesphie was so out of position for that goal and aldred did not come across to cover. Oshae got caught on the wrong side of the attacker and really should have been better positioned, but hardly his fault
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. That doesn’t stack up though.
An average player in an average team will have worse stats than an average player in a good team.
O’Sheas performances are very good, his stats prove that, and commentators are saying as much on tv and in the media Depends what stats. An average player in a good team will have less assists/chances created because other good players will take up there share. Because there are no other creative players in Roar, there is a heavy reliance on O'shea to create chances... therefore inflating his created chances stat. Jay O’Shea is leading the entire competition in many of these stats, so if anyone wants to argue that an average player in an average team is leading key competition stats for the entire A-League go ahead ... it won’t make sense though. It does make sense and is very simple. For example: at Brisbane everything runs through O'shea to create because the other players aren't good enough therefore inflating stats....then in Sydney lets take Ninkovic..he has other players such as Boumjohann Brattan Kosta Caceras Oniell who are also very good at creating chances therefore lowering the number of chances Ninkovic creates per game. THEN...you look at quality of chances created...Oshea has 6 more chances created then any other player...yet he doesn't make the top 10 in assists. Your response is laughable, it’s obvious you’re out for a troll.
What you are saying is if every team was full of average players they’d create more chances.
Your message to Steve Corica at SFC would therefore be “Steve, if you get rid of all that quality in your team and replace it with average players, you can have the same stats as O’Shea”.
It’s nonsense.
The simple answer is O’Shea is a very good player and the stats and (professional) commentators statements back that up.
If he had more clinical finishers around him no one would have more assists than him, but as it is, only 7 players have created more assists than him and five of those have only created one more assist. No I'm saying its easier to stand out in a team of average players. Which other team in the league would take O'Shea as a foreigner...maybe Jets. It is easier to stand out in a team of average players. Agree. Eric Bautheac did that last year.
It is not easy to lead competition stats in the way O’Shea does in a team of average players. I think it's much easier because the Roar's game plan would be to run everything through O'Shea giving him MORE possessions and MORE opportunities to create.
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Waz
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 i think it was more questioning the stat "errors leading to shot/goal =0" i know the goal that he is talking about and while O'shae did end up on the wrong side of the attacker having your CM tracking the strikers run into the box while your LCD is in the centre of the box marking no-one completely out of position is hardly the CM error. yes he could have positioned himself better so that he was on the inside and yes he probably could have made more of a last ditch effort to block the shot but that really isnt his job. also that stat is about intercepted passes/getting tackled that directly lead to a shot/goal so his point was not valid anyway. As I said without knowing the goal/incident he was talking about it’s impossible to discuss.
What goal are we talking about?
Edit after posting: just saw your last paragraph. Agree - different stat he was talking about Dukes goal in the WSW wanderers win. but Gillesphie was so out of position for that goal and aldred did not come across to cover. Oshae got caught on the wrong side of the attacker and really should have been better positioned, but hardly his fault In that goal it wasn’t an “error” it was a lost challenge (a challenge he shouldn’t have lost to be honest).
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. That doesn’t stack up though.
An average player in an average team will have worse stats than an average player in a good team.
O’Sheas performances are very good, his stats prove that, and commentators are saying as much on tv and in the media Depends what stats. An average player in a good team will have less assists/chances created because other good players will take up there share. Because there are no other creative players in Roar, there is a heavy reliance on O'shea to create chances... therefore inflating his created chances stat. I’d like to be able to see somewhere an analysis of the quality of the chances O’Shea has created. How many were clear cut good chances in the box where a team mate had a clear shot on goal, how many were half chances in the box, how many were the final pass a long range speculative shot, etc. My gut feel is that the quality of the chances created by O’Shea is probably a lot lower than many players from other teams. The stat that would answer that is xG which for Roar has been very high all season. So given O’Shea has created plenty of chances and xG is high your “gut feel” is probably wrong.
You can also watch the games as well.
Or you could listen to commentators like Bozza and others who are singing his praises. Thanks for the advice, how silly of me, I should have been watching games before I commented on here. And talking about advice, could you give me any pointers on where I could get a holier-than-thou attitude? How fucking old are you, 12? I'll take that as a no then, you were obviously lucky enough to be born with it.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. disagree. he has very good feet and is very, very hard to take the ball off. easily the best player with the ball at his feet we have had since broich. put him in a team with better players making better runs and he would look much better. at the moment he has to hold the ball up, beat one or two players while he waits for the strikers to give him an option before he can play a pass. Beautheac was better with the ball at his feet...one of the best in the league imo. Bautheac was better at beating a player dead, but Oshae is better with the ball at his feet. beatheac would often skip round a defender if they get too close to him and there was space to knock it round but he would also get ushered away from goal by good defenders and would only utilise space that was already there. Oshae is much better at holding the ball up and creating space for himself. defenders just end up backing away from him because he is so hard to get the ball off. broich was the only roar player that i have seen that was better at this than Oshae. if he could add a venomous shot to his repertoire he will be unstoppable.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. That doesn’t stack up though.
An average player in an average team will have worse stats than an average player in a good team.
O’Sheas performances are very good, his stats prove that, and commentators are saying as much on tv and in the media Depends what stats. An average player in a good team will have less assists/chances created because other good players will take up there share. Because there are no other creative players in Roar, there is a heavy reliance on O'shea to create chances... therefore inflating his created chances stat. Jay O’Shea is leading the entire competition in many of these stats, so if anyone wants to argue that an average player in an average team is leading key competition stats for the entire A-League go ahead ... it won’t make sense though. It does make sense and is very simple. For example: at Brisbane everything runs through O'shea to create because the other players aren't good enough therefore inflating stats....then in Sydney lets take Ninkovic..he has other players such as Boumjohann Brattan Kosta Caceras Oniell who are also very good at creating chances therefore lowering the number of chances Ninkovic creates per game. THEN...you look at quality of chances created...Oshea has 6 more chances created then any other player...yet he doesn't make the top 10 in assists. Your response is laughable, it’s obvious you’re out for a troll.
What you are saying is if every team was full of average players they’d create more chances.
Your message to Steve Corica at SFC would therefore be “Steve, if you get rid of all that quality in your team and replace it with average players, you can have the same stats as O’Shea”.
It’s nonsense.
The simple answer is O’Shea is a very good player and the stats and (professional) commentators statements back that up.
If he had more clinical finishers around him no one would have more assists than him, but as it is, only 7 players have created more assists than him and five of those have only created one more assist. No I'm saying its easier to stand out in a team of average players. Which other team in the league would take O'Shea as a foreigner...maybe Jets. It is easier to stand out in a team of average players. Agree. Eric Bautheac did that last year.
It is not easy to lead competition stats in the way O’Shea does in a team of average players. I think it's much easier because the Roar's game plan would be to run everything through O'Shea giving him MORE possessions and MORE opportunities to create. from memory I think about 30% of Roars shots are created through O’Shea. That’s not unusually high for an AM.
And it then begs the question - if he is such an average player (in an average team no less) why are his opponents unable to shut him down??
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. That doesn’t stack up though.
An average player in an average team will have worse stats than an average player in a good team.
O’Sheas performances are very good, his stats prove that, and commentators are saying as much on tv and in the media I agree but his lack of goals is a problem. He never looks likely to score. I can see how he ended up in 4th tier in England. He's stylish but toothless. Broich scores on average 3 goals per season so you have to be careful on that stat.
I think it’s his stat that’s brought the front line in to question because if O’Shea is not scoring them then someone else better be. Very true on Broich. I always thought exactly that was what stopped him from becoming an elite player. But I don't know, Waz - I know he was a much better player than OS (obviously), but he always looked more dangerous to the opposition than OS ever looks - at least to my eyes.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. disagree. he has very good feet and is very, very hard to take the ball off. easily the best player with the ball at his feet we have had since broich. put him in a team with better players making better runs and he would look much better. at the moment he has to hold the ball up, beat one or two players while he waits for the strikers to give him an option before he can play a pass. Beautheac was better with the ball at his feet...one of the best in the league imo. Bautheac was better at beating a player dead, but Oshae is better with the ball at his feet. beatheac would often skip round a defender if they get too close to him and there was space to knock it round but he would also get ushered away from goal by good defenders and would only utilise space that was already there. Oshae is much better at holding the ball up and creating space for himself. defenders just end up backing away from him because he is so hard to get the ball off. broich was the only roar player that i have seen that was better at this than Oshae. if he could add a venomous shot to his repertoire he will be unstoppable. The last is exactly my point. He's toothless. Pretty ball stuff but doesn't threaten goal. Now if he did, regularly .... but that's why he was in div 4 in England. I didn't get there by accident. Having said that, he looks like he should have been playing at least one tier higher. Can't see him in the Championship tho
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. That doesn’t stack up though.
An average player in an average team will have worse stats than an average player in a good team.
O’Sheas performances are very good, his stats prove that, and commentators are saying as much on tv and in the media Depends what stats. An average player in a good team will have less assists/chances created because other good players will take up there share. Because there are no other creative players in Roar, there is a heavy reliance on O'shea to create chances... therefore inflating his created chances stat. Jay O’Shea is leading the entire competition in many of these stats, so if anyone wants to argue that an average player in an average team is leading key competition stats for the entire A-League go ahead ... it won’t make sense though. It does make sense and is very simple. For example: at Brisbane everything runs through O'shea to create because the other players aren't good enough therefore inflating stats....then in Sydney lets take Ninkovic..he has other players such as Boumjohann Brattan Kosta Caceras Oniell who are also very good at creating chances therefore lowering the number of chances Ninkovic creates per game. THEN...you look at quality of chances created...Oshea has 6 more chances created then any other player...yet he doesn't make the top 10 in assists. Your response is laughable, it’s obvious you’re out for a troll.
What you are saying is if every team was full of average players they’d create more chances.
Your message to Steve Corica at SFC would therefore be “Steve, if you get rid of all that quality in your team and replace it with average players, you can have the same stats as O’Shea”.
It’s nonsense.
The simple answer is O’Shea is a very good player and the stats and (professional) commentators statements back that up.
If he had more clinical finishers around him no one would have more assists than him, but as it is, only 7 players have created more assists than him and five of those have only created one more assist. No I'm saying its easier to stand out in a team of average players. Which other team in the league would take O'Shea as a foreigner...maybe Jets. It is easier to stand out in a team of average players. Agree. Eric Bautheac did that last year.
It is not easy to lead competition stats in the way O’Shea does in a team of average players. I think it's much easier because the Roar's game plan would be to run everything through O'Shea giving him MORE possessions and MORE opportunities to create. from memory I think about 30% of Roars shots are created through O’Shea. That’s not unusually high for an AM.
And it then begs the question - if he is such an average player (in an average team no less) why are his opponents unable to shut him down?? Because he doesn't need shutting down as he is ineffective. He ain't in the top 10 in assists league-wise and I don't recall him scoring a goal. For someone who is the leagues leading "chance creator", he really doesn't hurt the opposition.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. That doesn’t stack up though.
An average player in an average team will have worse stats than an average player in a good team.
O’Sheas performances are very good, his stats prove that, and commentators are saying as much on tv and in the media Depends what stats. An average player in a good team will have less assists/chances created because other good players will take up there share. Because there are no other creative players in Roar, there is a heavy reliance on O'shea to create chances... therefore inflating his created chances stat. Jay O’Shea is leading the entire competition in many of these stats, so if anyone wants to argue that an average player in an average team is leading key competition stats for the entire A-League go ahead ... it won’t make sense though. It does make sense and is very simple. For example: at Brisbane everything runs through O'shea to create because the other players aren't good enough therefore inflating stats....then in Sydney lets take Ninkovic..he has other players such as Boumjohann Brattan Kosta Caceras Oniell who are also very good at creating chances therefore lowering the number of chances Ninkovic creates per game. THEN...you look at quality of chances created...Oshea has 6 more chances created then any other player...yet he doesn't make the top 10 in assists. Your response is laughable, it’s obvious you’re out for a troll.
What you are saying is if every team was full of average players they’d create more chances.
Your message to Steve Corica at SFC would therefore be “Steve, if you get rid of all that quality in your team and replace it with average players, you can have the same stats as O’Shea”.
It’s nonsense.
The simple answer is O’Shea is a very good player and the stats and (professional) commentators statements back that up.
If he had more clinical finishers around him no one would have more assists than him, but as it is, only 7 players have created more assists than him and five of those have only created one more assist. No I'm saying its easier to stand out in a team of average players. Which other team in the league would take O'Shea as a foreigner...maybe Jets. It is easier to stand out in a team of average players. Agree. Eric Bautheac did that last year.
It is not easy to lead competition stats in the way O’Shea does in a team of average players. I think it's much easier because the Roar's game plan would be to run everything through O'Shea giving him MORE possessions and MORE opportunities to create. He still has to create the opportunities. It is not a possession stat it is a creative stat. I agree in an average team you would go to your good player more often and their possession stats would be artificially inflated - but to then be able to create a genuine chance is not just bombing the ball forward; it is skilfully (or by consistent luck) doing something that the opposition could not or did not stop. Watching games, I am not left feeling likeO'Shea had hundreds of opportunities and converted a few to chances - I feel like he is dangerous and creative most times he gets the ball. @CS - For the comparisons with Broich and comments about 'elite' status; when he was younger he was one of a very few of the most promising German players. It was not lack of skill, but attitude towards his coach(es) that saw him giving it away. Broich's class gave him time and composure. He used his body positioning with expertise and ran only when his great vision showed no better option available. O'Shea does not have the time and composure, and not the same vision, but he uses his ball skill to create space under close pressure to get through, and to maintain possession while he draws the opposition in; then finds a pass.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. disagree. he has very good feet and is very, very hard to take the ball off. easily the best player with the ball at his feet we have had since broich. put him in a team with better players making better runs and he would look much better. at the moment he has to hold the ball up, beat one or two players while he waits for the strikers to give him an option before he can play a pass. Beautheac was better with the ball at his feet...one of the best in the league imo. Bautheac was better at beating a player dead, but Oshae is better with the ball at his feet. beatheac would often skip round a defender if they get too close to him and there was space to knock it round but he would also get ushered away from goal by good defenders and would only utilise space that was already there. Oshae is much better at holding the ball up and creating space for himself. defenders just end up backing away from him because he is so hard to get the ball off. broich was the only roar player that i have seen that was better at this than Oshae. if he could add a venomous shot to his repertoire he will be unstoppable. The last is exactly my point. He's toothless. Pretty ball stuff but doesn't threaten goal. Now if he did, regularly .... but that's why he was in div 4 in England. I didn't get there by accident. Having said that, he looks like he should have been playing at least one tier higher. Can't see him in the Championship tho He was in an EPL squad for two seasons and a Championship squad for one season
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe positive thing so far is RF's preparedness to change players and instill with those who have more skill and flair, as moderate as it may have been. Results have been trending in the right direction since. This is what many wanted from the start, with the hope of 1 or 2 really good quality players up front / mid however the acquisitions during the January window have fallen short of being really good, although Scotty Mac is a moderate improvement IMO. The side still looks quite shakey and is not playing to the standard of a top 4 contender. Let's hope the improvements keep coming. Maybe not quite at the top 4 quality yet but i dont think we are far off. in one of the games this weekend a commentator pointed out that the a-league is a transition league. games are won and lost in the transition from defence to attack or the other way around. the teams that have done well and are commended are teams that can break up play quickly and hit on attack quickly and the players that are recruited across the league are players that suit that (think rojas, Kruse, barba, brillante, ect.) generally across the league this is what most teams are trying to do. attack in transition, win the ball back in transition, and at best not get caught out when in defence or with sustained ball possession. some teams (wellington for example) set themselves defensively but still try to attack in transition. this is different from what Fowler is trying to do. our whole game plan is based around attacking in possession and getting back into shape defensively before trying to win the ball. that is why the play has seemed slow, it is because transition is for getting into shape to implement our defensive and attacking strategies. this is quite different for the players, and it has taken them quite some time to pick it up effectively (and for fowler to get the right attacking and defensive strategies/combinations to work against other teams). if it clicks then i think we can be a top 4 team this year, but it is definitely a longer term plan. not one that can be picked up overnight. I get frustrated sitting in the stands listening to people bemoan slowing the play down and keeping possession or playing a backwards pass, that is how they are being told to play and the game plan relies on it happening. it was especially bad during the ange glory years where we would slow the play down and dominate possession with slick passing and win games and still get idiots yelling play forward, or calling for them to play the long ball. the difference with anges team was the emphasis was on smart football/footballers. player knowing when to hit on transition, when to press high, but also when to slow it down and keep possession, and when to get defensive shape. i think Fowlers ultimate goal is to get to that same point but is first focusing on ball possession and ball possession opposition phases before including the plans for the other phases. He doesn't have the quality players to implement the quality of a top 4 team. I think we're getting carried away a bit with these last results. I think we do - we just have to acknowledge that there is work to do before we get there and maybe we won't make it. We may not achieve our full potential - plenty of teams and players don't - but as long as we are improving (do you not think we are?) why call it a night this early? Not calling it a night. This is what I said....... "Let's hope the improvements keep coming". However, if we can't or won't get better skillful players, then I'm predicting we have no chance of a top 4 spot. I hope I'm wrong and our future this season improves, but looking at what we've got and saying we will be top 4 quality is looking at the crystal ball with orange tinted glasses. I wasn't actually having a go at you - just so you know that. The quote I was referring to said "He doesn't have the quality players to implement the quality of a top 4 team". No word of improvement there just a plain statement that the players are not up to scratch for a top 4. I agree we are not top 4 quality at the moment, but I strongly disagree that it would be beyond possible for us to improve that far with our current squad. I have never said we will be top 4 - that would be looking in the crystal ball with fully orange glasses - just that I see enough potential for it to be a possibility, and as long as the improvements keep coming I still hope that we might get there. I have more hope against your pragmatism. No offence taken. Nothing like a good robust discussion. If there's a possibility of a top 4 then it will probably be 0.1% if that. I just can't remotely see it with this lot of players. Even this last win I still felt Wellington were playing a class above Roar, just not good enough to win this one but look classy and effective enough to be in the top 4. We need to look at reality and differentiate between what his possible and what is very unlikely. Like I said I hope I am wrong, but there's nothing wrong with wishful thinking either, it's just I don't look at it that way.. So for the record, you have conceded we are a chance of making the 4 with our current team and only an 'if', a 'possibility' and a 0.1% chance standing in the way. I think there is a little dreamer in all of us ;) Edit: Forgot one 'probably' too. Don't want to misrepresent you. OK I concede. You cunningly dragged it out of me. Top 4 likelihood 0.1%, unlikely 99.9%. Does that make a difference? ;) If by some chance we make the top 4 at any point, be warned, I will be calling you Nostradamus because you have prophesied it as a possibility.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. That doesn’t stack up though.
An average player in an average team will have worse stats than an average player in a good team.
O’Sheas performances are very good, his stats prove that, and commentators are saying as much on tv and in the media Depends what stats. An average player in a good team will have less assists/chances created because other good players will take up there share. Because there are no other creative players in Roar, there is a heavy reliance on O'shea to create chances... therefore inflating his created chances stat. Jay O’Shea is leading the entire competition in many of these stats, so if anyone wants to argue that an average player in an average team is leading key competition stats for the entire A-League go ahead ... it won’t make sense though. It does make sense and is very simple. For example: at Brisbane everything runs through O'shea to create because the other players aren't good enough therefore inflating stats....then in Sydney lets take Ninkovic..he has other players such as Boumjohann Brattan Kosta Caceras Oniell who are also very good at creating chances therefore lowering the number of chances Ninkovic creates per game. THEN...you look at quality of chances created...Oshea has 6 more chances created then any other player...yet he doesn't make the top 10 in assists. Your response is laughable, it’s obvious you’re out for a troll.
What you are saying is if every team was full of average players they’d create more chances.
Your message to Steve Corica at SFC would therefore be “Steve, if you get rid of all that quality in your team and replace it with average players, you can have the same stats as O’Shea”.
It’s nonsense.
The simple answer is O’Shea is a very good player and the stats and (professional) commentators statements back that up.
If he had more clinical finishers around him no one would have more assists than him, but as it is, only 7 players have created more assists than him and five of those have only created one more assist. No I'm saying its easier to stand out in a team of average players. Which other team in the league would take O'Shea as a foreigner...maybe Jets. It is easier to stand out in a team of average players. Agree. Eric Bautheac did that last year.
It is not easy to lead competition stats in the way O’Shea does in a team of average players. I think it's much easier because the Roar's game plan would be to run everything through O'Shea giving him MORE possessions and MORE opportunities to create. from memory I think about 30% of Roars shots are created through O’Shea. That’s not unusually high for an AM.
And it then begs the question - if he is such an average player (in an average team no less) why are his opponents unable to shut him down?? Because he doesn't need shutting down as he is ineffective. He ain't in the top 10 in assists league-wise and I don't recall him scoring a goal. For someone who is the leagues leading "chance creator", he really doesn't hurt the opposition. But he is in the Top 10 for assists.
And what you’re saying is opponents will let O’Shea create an assist for DWH, ROD, McDONALD and any other Roar player because they believe he is “ineffective” ?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. disagree. he has very good feet and is very, very hard to take the ball off. easily the best player with the ball at his feet we have had since broich. put him in a team with better players making better runs and he would look much better. at the moment he has to hold the ball up, beat one or two players while he waits for the strikers to give him an option before he can play a pass. Spot on. I think he should take on defenders more often. Scott Mc will make better runs than ROD and capitalise on the chances O'Shea creates. O'Shea is definitely a keeper. A keeper if you want to settle for 5th place. You can bring in better foreigners and need to if you want to win something. You think we are a firm chance of ending up in 5th place with this team! :)
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+xNext games are:
CCM(A)
SFC (A)
AU(H)
WU(A)
PG(H)
MC(A)
With CCM,NJ and WSW below us and out of form,6th or 7th still looks most likely.
MV are below us.But with Rojas added,surely that forward line will fire.
Above us,WU and AU could still falter.
SFC,NC,PG and WP would have to collapse to miss the top six.
Realistically with our battling style,I cant see us finishing too far up the ladder.Sixth place is possible.But we are seventh.So have to play better.Can we do that?
Our ladder position is obviously a combination of our early season and current form. If we played consistently the same way (at whatever level) then ladder position would be a fair reflection of form. I believe our current performance is a long way ahead of where we started, and as such I do not consider 7th necessarily reflects our 'value'. If other teams around us are playing at a consistent level, our steady increase in form will see us pass them. Do I think we have more room to improve and the likelihood that we will improve further? Most definitely on both. How much better we can get is somewhere between a guess and a hope.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. That doesn’t stack up though.
An average player in an average team will have worse stats than an average player in a good team.
O’Sheas performances are very good, his stats prove that, and commentators are saying as much on tv and in the media Depends what stats. An average player in a good team will have less assists/chances created because other good players will take up there share. Because there are no other creative players in Roar, there is a heavy reliance on O'shea to create chances... therefore inflating his created chances stat. Jay O’Shea is leading the entire competition in many of these stats, so if anyone wants to argue that an average player in an average team is leading key competition stats for the entire A-League go ahead ... it won’t make sense though. It does make sense and is very simple. For example: at Brisbane everything runs through O'shea to create because the other players aren't good enough therefore inflating stats....then in Sydney lets take Ninkovic..he has other players such as Boumjohann Brattan Kosta Caceras Oniell who are also very good at creating chances therefore lowering the number of chances Ninkovic creates per game. THEN...you look at quality of chances created...Oshea has 6 more chances created then any other player...yet he doesn't make the top 10 in assists. Your response is laughable, it’s obvious you’re out for a troll.
What you are saying is if every team was full of average players they’d create more chances.
Your message to Steve Corica at SFC would therefore be “Steve, if you get rid of all that quality in your team and replace it with average players, you can have the same stats as O’Shea”.
It’s nonsense.
The simple answer is O’Shea is a very good player and the stats and (professional) commentators statements back that up.
If he had more clinical finishers around him no one would have more assists than him, but as it is, only 7 players have created more assists than him and five of those have only created one more assist. No I'm saying its easier to stand out in a team of average players. Which other team in the league would take O'Shea as a foreigner...maybe Jets. It is easier to stand out in a team of average players. Agree. Eric Bautheac did that last year.
It is not easy to lead competition stats in the way O’Shea does in a team of average players. I think it's much easier because the Roar's game plan would be to run everything through O'Shea giving him MORE possessions and MORE opportunities to create. from memory I think about 30% of Roars shots are created through O’Shea. That’s not unusually high for an AM.
And it then begs the question - if he is such an average player (in an average team no less) why are his opponents unable to shut him down?? Because he doesn't need shutting down as he is ineffective. He ain't in the top 10 in assists league-wise and I don't recall him scoring a goal. For someone who is the leagues leading "chance creator", he really doesn't hurt the opposition. But he is in the Top 10 for assists.
And what you’re saying is opponents will let O’Shea create an assist for DWH, ROD, McDONALD and any other Roar player because they believe he is “ineffective” ? The A-League website "stats centre" doesn't have him in the top 10? Nope, how many genuine chances has O'Shea created, I bet more than half are crosses. Long story short, he wouldn't get a gig in the starting line ups at Sydney Perth City Nix and WUFC. His an okay a-league player, nothing more and not the standout foreigners need to be. Also on big cash i believe.
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+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. When I see things like this, I'm always reminded of the quote popularised by Mark Twain "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." Oh I agree mate....you can turn stats into anything you want....just posted it for interest...... im not trying to convince anyone of anything. Another good one is Brisbane have lost only 5 games! It sure doesn't feel like that, it feels more than that, probably because our expectations were quite high. Only Perth, MC and Sydney have a better record. I also heard another great stat today, Man Utd just 11 points of relegation zone. ???
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It appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results.
But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like.
Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it.
Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say......
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. disagree. he has very good feet and is very, very hard to take the ball off. easily the best player with the ball at his feet we have had since broich. put him in a team with better players making better runs and he would look much better. at the moment he has to hold the ball up, beat one or two players while he waits for the strikers to give him an option before he can play a pass. Beautheac was better with the ball at his feet...one of the best in the league imo. Bautheac was better at beating a player dead, but Oshae is better with the ball at his feet. beatheac would often skip round a defender if they get too close to him and there was space to knock it round but he would also get ushered away from goal by good defenders and would only utilise space that was already there. Oshae is much better at holding the ball up and creating space for himself. defenders just end up backing away from him because he is so hard to get the ball off. broich was the only roar player that i have seen that was better at this than Oshae. if he could add a venomous shot to his repertoire he will be unstoppable. The last is exactly my point. He's toothless. Pretty ball stuff but doesn't threaten goal. Now if he did, regularly .... but that's why he was in div 4 in England. I didn't get there by accident. Having said that, he looks like he should have been playing at least one tier higher. Can't see him in the Championship tho He was in an EPL squad for two seasons and a Championship squad for one season But he was brought from 4 tier
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+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... Lol. No one hates Roar or Fowler but people have been insulted at the calibre of visa players Fowler has bought in, something which has been justified as O’Shea is the only player that has been good enough to be a starting A-League player. I can’t speak for others but I’ve stopped talking about the visa players because I don’t want to be repetitive and boring and I have better things to do with my life.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. disagree. he has very good feet and is very, very hard to take the ball off. easily the best player with the ball at his feet we have had since broich. put him in a team with better players making better runs and he would look much better. at the moment he has to hold the ball up, beat one or two players while he waits for the strikers to give him an option before he can play a pass. Beautheac was better with the ball at his feet...one of the best in the league imo. Bautheac was better at beating a player dead, but Oshae is better with the ball at his feet. beatheac would often skip round a defender if they get too close to him and there was space to knock it round but he would also get ushered away from goal by good defenders and would only utilise space that was already there. Oshae is much better at holding the ball up and creating space for himself. defenders just end up backing away from him because he is so hard to get the ball off. broich was the only roar player that i have seen that was better at this than Oshae. if he could add a venomous shot to his repertoire he will be unstoppable. The last is exactly my point. He's toothless. Pretty ball stuff but doesn't threaten goal. Now if he did, regularly .... but that's why he was in div 4 in England. I didn't get there by accident. Having said that, he looks like he should have been playing at least one tier higher. Can't see him in the Championship tho He was in an EPL squad for two seasons and a Championship squad for one season But he was brought from 4 tier Played one game in the EPL and 2 in the Championship.
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