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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. disagree. he has very good feet and is very, very hard to take the ball off. easily the best player with the ball at his feet we have had since broich. put him in a team with better players making better runs and he would look much better. at the moment he has to hold the ball up, beat one or two players while he waits for the strikers to give him an option before he can play a pass. Beautheac was better with the ball at his feet...one of the best in the league imo. Bautheac was better at beating a player dead, but Oshae is better with the ball at his feet. beatheac would often skip round a defender if they get too close to him and there was space to knock it round but he would also get ushered away from goal by good defenders and would only utilise space that was already there. Oshae is much better at holding the ball up and creating space for himself. defenders just end up backing away from him because he is so hard to get the ball off. broich was the only roar player that i have seen that was better at this than Oshae. if he could add a venomous shot to his repertoire he will be unstoppable. The last is exactly my point. He's toothless. Pretty ball stuff but doesn't threaten goal. Now if he did, regularly .... but that's why he was in div 4 in England. I didn't get there by accident. Having said that, he looks like he should have been playing at least one tier higher. Can't see him in the Championship tho He was in an EPL squad for two seasons and a Championship squad for one season But he was brought from 4 tier Played one game in the EPL and 2 in the Championship. Let’s hope JOS don’t get injured or we are bolloxed but jokes aside who would fill that 10 position?
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+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... Roar is a bit of a complex discussion to be fair.
Quite a few people adopted extreme positions pre-season and thought they saw those positions justified in the early games, the last few games have tended to challenge that position and fair to say there’s a bit of confusion on what is the real Roar.
Unfortunately what should be a fascinating Football discussion is bogged down in pre-positions, extreme views and occasional insults.
Roars next ten games will sort out the debate:
(A) CCM - could win
(A) SFC - should lose
(H) ADL - could win
(A) WUN - could win
(H) Glory - should lose (A) City - should lose
(H) WSW - could win
(H) CCM - could win
(A) Vuck - could win
(H) SFC - should lose
Thats a possible 18 points from 30 which would put them on 34 points and the brink of finals with three games to go against Jets (H), Nix (A) and Adelaide (H) with all three of those winnable which would put them on 40-43 points which in each of the last five seasons would put them anywhere between 3rd and 5th place.
Are Roar a 3rd to 5th place team this season? The next 13 games will tell us.
What would it take to move Roar from 3rd to 5th if that’s where they’d finish?
I’d say a new No 9 and a new No 6. I’d also think about replacing Aldred - whilst he’s not a bad defender, every team that wins titles can point to at least one really outstanding CB and at the moment that doesn’t look to be Aldred.
Do that and they’ll be challenging next year, probably not enough to catch SFC if they keep this squad together but ...
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Waz
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. disagree. he has very good feet and is very, very hard to take the ball off. easily the best player with the ball at his feet we have had since broich. put him in a team with better players making better runs and he would look much better. at the moment he has to hold the ball up, beat one or two players while he waits for the strikers to give him an option before he can play a pass. Beautheac was better with the ball at his feet...one of the best in the league imo. Bautheac was better at beating a player dead, but Oshae is better with the ball at his feet. beatheac would often skip round a defender if they get too close to him and there was space to knock it round but he would also get ushered away from goal by good defenders and would only utilise space that was already there. Oshae is much better at holding the ball up and creating space for himself. defenders just end up backing away from him because he is so hard to get the ball off. broich was the only roar player that i have seen that was better at this than Oshae. if he could add a venomous shot to his repertoire he will be unstoppable. The last is exactly my point. He's toothless. Pretty ball stuff but doesn't threaten goal. Now if he did, regularly .... but that's why he was in div 4 in England. I didn't get there by accident. Having said that, he looks like he should have been playing at least one tier higher. Can't see him in the Championship tho He was in an EPL squad for two seasons and a Championship squad for one season But he was brought from 4 tier Played one game in the EPL and 2 in the Championship. Let’s hope JOS don’t get injured or we are bolloxed but jokes aside who would fill that 10 position? It would likely by Akbari although it really should be Mauk.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xOnly the Phoenix has passed at a better accuracy than the Roar this season (82.3%). The Roar’s 6877 passes is the second-most of any team in the league with Jay O’Shea proving to be quite creative when he’s the one with the ball at his feet. No player has made more passes in the opposition half than the Irishman this season & his 46 chances created is comfortably a league high. O’Shea’s teammates in defensive duo Scott Neville & Macaulay Gillesphey also find themselves in the league’s top 10 passers. How many assists does o Shea have this season? 20 shots 4 on target (so his accuracy is off) 45 shot assists 3 goal assists (so his team mates accuracy is also off) 630 passes with 83% accuracy 90% tackle success rate 75% “take-on” success rate Errors leading to shots/goals = 0 yeah but .... wait for it yeah but ..... he made an error once, you know, in that game 😂👍 O'Shea looks better because the rest of the team is average. Put him in another team (top 4 team) and he will be an average joe. disagree. he has very good feet and is very, very hard to take the ball off. easily the best player with the ball at his feet we have had since broich. put him in a team with better players making better runs and he would look much better. at the moment he has to hold the ball up, beat one or two players while he waits for the strikers to give him an option before he can play a pass. Beautheac was better with the ball at his feet...one of the best in the league imo. Bautheac was better at beating a player dead, but Oshae is better with the ball at his feet. beatheac would often skip round a defender if they get too close to him and there was space to knock it round but he would also get ushered away from goal by good defenders and would only utilise space that was already there. Oshae is much better at holding the ball up and creating space for himself. defenders just end up backing away from him because he is so hard to get the ball off. broich was the only roar player that i have seen that was better at this than Oshae. if he could add a venomous shot to his repertoire he will be unstoppable. Bautheac for me was the most exciting player since broich. Unfortunately for him, he joined us in our toughest years. Was devastated when I heard he was leaving but I don't blame him because we were rubbish. Could only imagine what him and inman would do linking up together this season if he stayed on.
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+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck!
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What I am quite interested in is how Fowler will approach next season. Obviously this will depend on a number of things including what length of contract his new signings are on (especially the visa players) and whether the bakries are willing to open up the coin purse.
I think Fowler knows that any new visa signings he makes need to be of a higher quality, and I can't imagine he doesn't have the required connections to identify some really good overseas players, so hopefully he is able to refresh the visa side of the squad and bring in some absolute guns.
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+xWhat I am quite interested in is how Fowler will approach next season. Obviously this will depend on a number of things including what length of contract his new signings are on (especially the visa players) and whether the bakries are willing to open up the coin purse. I think Fowler knows that any new visa signings he makes need to be of a higher quality, and I can't imagine he doesn't have the required connections to identify some really good overseas players, so hopefully he is able to refresh the visa side of the squad and bring in some absolute guns. Absolutely. Although Fowler made a complete cock-up of the initial recruitment he hasn't been bad. The club is as much to blame. Unlike Aloisi though, he is prepared to make tough changes and remove weaknesses with improvements. There's a long way to go though. It appears that he may be locked in for this season with the poor decisions made earlier. Hopefully the good trend continues for Fowler and hopefully next season the club/Bakries come to their senses.
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+x+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck! I don't think anyone has a problem with differing points of view and general football discussion, but there seems to be a few people who have decided that the Roar OS recruits where utter shit even before seeing them play a minute of football. Whilst the team hasn't set the world alight, the results are starting to come through and vindicate some people's optimism. I haven't seen a single Roar supporter claim they would win silverware. Yet despite results and evidence that would suggest that the OS recruits aren't as abysmal as some initially thought, there are a few posters that insist on ignoring any subjective fact and continue just trying to ram their ill-informed opinion down our collective throats. The O'Shea discussion is a perfect example of this. I don't think anyone is claiming that he is Broich 2.0, but his stats would indicate that he is among the top half of midfielders in the league and any objective observer would acknowledge this. Looking at O'Shea, he has strengths and weaknesses (like all footballers). Yet there is a chorus of voices imploring us to ignore stats, results etc and just take their skewed dislike of the Roar recruits as gospel. I've even seen some posters are "insulted" by the recruiting by RF. WTF? How is that discussion and not bashing?
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+x+x+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck! I don't think anyone has a problem with differing points of view and general football discussion, but there seems to be a few people who have decided that the Roar OS recruits where utter shit even before seeing them play a minute of football. Whilst the team hasn't set the world alight, the results are starting to come through and vindicate some people's optimism. I haven't seen a single Roar supporter claim they would win silverware. Yet despite results and evidence that would suggest that the OS recruits aren't as abysmal as some initially thought, there are a few posters that insist on ignoring any subjective fact and continue just trying to ram their ill-informed opinion down our collective throats. The O'Shea discussion is a perfect example of this. I don't think anyone is claiming that he is Broich 2.0, but his stats would indicate that he is among the top half of midfielders in the league and any objective observer would acknowledge this. Looking at O'Shea, he has strengths and weaknesses (like all footballers). Yet there is a chorus of voices imploring us to ignore stats, results etc and just take their skewed dislike of the Roar recruits as gospel. I've even seen some posters are "insulted" by the recruiting by RF. WTF? How is that discussion and not bashing? Exactly that.
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+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... Plenty of the RF and Brit bashers were/are your own fans in this very thread. Stringing a few results together is always going to silence criticism (even if only temporarily), but I'm sure those who don't rate RF's foreigners haven't changed their opinion of them after a handful of decent performances. Holloway, Aldred and ROD especially are failed signings. O'Shea is pretty decent and Gillesphey has improved, but I'd say it's Aussie Brad Inman who has been his best signing. Stats can be quite misleading and often warrant scrutiny, but I'll agree that BR have improved and are looking better.
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Roar had good stats even when they were losing but in practical terms and on field performances - are not always reflected by stats. The team has been playing shit and the players looked below standard. Some improvements now yes, some poor players remain, yes. Trend is promising but Roar needs to crank it up a bit more.
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+x+x+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck! I don't think anyone has a problem with differing points of view and general football discussion, but there seems to be a few people who have decided that the Roar OS recruits where utter shit even before seeing them play a minute of football. Whilst the team hasn't set the world alight, the results are starting to come through and vindicate some people's optimism. I haven't seen a single Roar supporter claim they would win silverware. Yet despite results and evidence that would suggest that the OS recruits aren't as abysmal as some initially thought, there are a few posters that insist on ignoring any subjective fact and continue just trying to ram their ill-informed opinion down our collective throats. The O'Shea discussion is a perfect example of this. I don't think anyone is claiming that he is Broich 2.0, but his stats would indicate that he is among the top half of midfielders in the league and any objective observer would acknowledge this. Looking at O'Shea, he has strengths and weaknesses (like all footballers). Yet there is a chorus of voices imploring us to ignore stats, results etc and just take their skewed dislike of the Roar recruits as gospel. I've even seen some posters are "insulted" by the recruiting by RF. WTF? How is that discussion and not bashing? Robbie had one of the greatest luxuries in this league, the ability to replenish and build his own squad. In a salary capped league there is no excuse, any team has the ability to go from wooden spoon contender to championship contenders instantly. Unfortunately for Robbie, his British brigade have failed him. Fighting for 6th spot, albeit an improvement on last season, is a failure. Even if results are slowly improving (style of football is still garbage, have they dominated any game at all?), they are nowhere near good enough to contend for championship honours. Look at the failed foreigners of Victory and WSW....both coaches sacked. Robbie is lucky the Bakries don't care. Anyone with decent knowledge of the A-league and world football could see how poor this Brisbane squad is even before a ball was kicked. In conclusion = British Brigade have failed, half a season is enough to vindicate this belief and the "Brit haters" are correct. Using stats to determine how good a player is, is absolutely flawed. Win games, playing good football, critics will dissapear.......................................
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+x+x+x+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck! I don't think anyone has a problem with differing points of view and general football discussion, but there seems to be a few people who have decided that the Roar OS recruits where utter shit even before seeing them play a minute of football. Whilst the team hasn't set the world alight, the results are starting to come through and vindicate some people's optimism. I haven't seen a single Roar supporter claim they would win silverware. Yet despite results and evidence that would suggest that the OS recruits aren't as abysmal as some initially thought, there are a few posters that insist on ignoring any subjective fact and continue just trying to ram their ill-informed opinion down our collective throats. The O'Shea discussion is a perfect example of this. I don't think anyone is claiming that he is Broich 2.0, but his stats would indicate that he is among the top half of midfielders in the league and any objective observer would acknowledge this. Looking at O'Shea, he has strengths and weaknesses (like all footballers). Yet there is a chorus of voices imploring us to ignore stats, results etc and just take their skewed dislike of the Roar recruits as gospel. I've even seen some posters are "insulted" by the recruiting by RF. WTF? How is that discussion and not bashing? Robbie had one of the greatest luxuries in this league, the ability to replenish and build his own squad. In a salary capped league there is no excuse, any team has the ability to go from wooden spoon contender to championship contenders instantly. Unfortunately for Robbie, his British brigade have failed him. Fighting for 6th spot, albeit an improvement on last season, is a failure. Even if results are slowly improving (style of football is still garbage, have they dominated any game at all?), they are nowhere near good enough to contend for championship honours. Look at the failed foreigners of Victory and WSW....both coaches sacked. Robbie is lucky the Bakries don't care. Anyone with decent knowledge of the A-league and world football could see how poor this Brisbane squad is even before a ball was kicked. In conclusion = British Brigade have failed, half a season is enough to vindicate this belief and the "Brit haters" are correct. Using stats to determine how good a player is, is absolutely flawed. Win games, playing good football, critics will dissapear....................................... So the only way we are allowed to judge the Roar is by your subjective standards? If you think they're garbage, to hell with any stats and whatever/whoever else disagrees with your view and your extensive "knowledge of world A-League and world football". There are literally no metrics you would accept that are in conflict with your view.
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+x+x+x+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck! I don't think anyone has a problem with differing points of view and general football discussion, but there seems to be a few people who have decided that the Roar OS recruits where utter shit even before seeing them play a minute of football. Whilst the team hasn't set the world alight, the results are starting to come through and vindicate some people's optimism. I haven't seen a single Roar supporter claim they would win silverware. Yet despite results and evidence that would suggest that the OS recruits aren't as abysmal as some initially thought, there are a few posters that insist on ignoring any subjective fact and continue just trying to ram their ill-informed opinion down our collective throats. The O'Shea discussion is a perfect example of this. I don't think anyone is claiming that he is Broich 2.0, but his stats would indicate that he is among the top half of midfielders in the league and any objective observer would acknowledge this. Looking at O'Shea, he has strengths and weaknesses (like all footballers). Yet there is a chorus of voices imploring us to ignore stats, results etc and just take their skewed dislike of the Roar recruits as gospel. I've even seen some posters are "insulted" by the recruiting by RF. WTF? How is that discussion and not bashing? Robbie had one of the greatest luxuries in this league, the ability to replenish and build his own squad. In a salary capped league there is no excuse, any team has the ability to go from wooden spoon contender to championship contenders instantly. Unfortunately for Robbie, his British brigade have failed him. Fighting for 6th spot, albeit an improvement on last season, is a failure. Even if results are slowly improving (style of football is still garbage, have they dominated any game at all?), they are nowhere near good enough to contend for championship honours. Look at the failed foreigners of Victory and WSW....both coaches sacked. Robbie is lucky the Bakries don't care. Anyone with decent knowledge of the A-league and world football could see how poor this Brisbane squad is even before a ball was kicked. In conclusion = British Brigade have failed, half a season is enough to vindicate this belief and the "Brit haters" are correct. Using stats to determine how good a player is, is absolutely flawed.Win games, playing good football, critics will dissapear....................................... That’s one of the most insane comments I’ve read.
How else can you determine how good/bad a player is if it’s not through objective measurement?
The High Performance Department of a football team, including the ones used for Socceroos and Matilda’s, literally operates off statistics, statistics and more statistics.
The FIFA Coaching licensing system (A -> Pro) even places a heavy emphasis on the correct use of statistics
So in making that statement you’re basically saying the entire football world has got it wrong. Which is a remarkable statement to make.
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+x+x+x+x+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck! I don't think anyone has a problem with differing points of view and general football discussion, but there seems to be a few people who have decided that the Roar OS recruits where utter shit even before seeing them play a minute of football. Whilst the team hasn't set the world alight, the results are starting to come through and vindicate some people's optimism. I haven't seen a single Roar supporter claim they would win silverware. Yet despite results and evidence that would suggest that the OS recruits aren't as abysmal as some initially thought, there are a few posters that insist on ignoring any subjective fact and continue just trying to ram their ill-informed opinion down our collective throats. The O'Shea discussion is a perfect example of this. I don't think anyone is claiming that he is Broich 2.0, but his stats would indicate that he is among the top half of midfielders in the league and any objective observer would acknowledge this. Looking at O'Shea, he has strengths and weaknesses (like all footballers). Yet there is a chorus of voices imploring us to ignore stats, results etc and just take their skewed dislike of the Roar recruits as gospel. I've even seen some posters are "insulted" by the recruiting by RF. WTF? How is that discussion and not bashing? Robbie had one of the greatest luxuries in this league, the ability to replenish and build his own squad. In a salary capped league there is no excuse, any team has the ability to go from wooden spoon contender to championship contenders instantly. Unfortunately for Robbie, his British brigade have failed him. Fighting for 6th spot, albeit an improvement on last season, is a failure. Even if results are slowly improving (style of football is still garbage, have they dominated any game at all?), they are nowhere near good enough to contend for championship honours. Look at the failed foreigners of Victory and WSW....both coaches sacked. Robbie is lucky the Bakries don't care. Anyone with decent knowledge of the A-league and world football could see how poor this Brisbane squad is even before a ball was kicked. In conclusion = British Brigade have failed, half a season is enough to vindicate this belief and the "Brit haters" are correct. Using stats to determine how good a player is, is absolutely flawed. Win games, playing good football, critics will dissapear....................................... So the only way we are allowed to judge the Roar is by your subjective standards? If you think they're garbage, to hell with any stats and whatever/whoever else disagrees with your view and your extensive "knowledge of world A-League and world football". There are literally no metrics you would accept that are in conflict with your view. All the fox pundits had predicted Brisbane to finish bottom 3 prior to the season. Brisbane have done nothing this season to suggests they are not garbage.
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+x+x+x+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck! I don't think anyone has a problem with differing points of view and general football discussion, but there seems to be a few people who have decided that the Roar OS recruits where utter shit even before seeing them play a minute of football. Whilst the team hasn't set the world alight, the results are starting to come through and vindicate some people's optimism. I haven't seen a single Roar supporter claim they would win silverware. Yet despite results and evidence that would suggest that the OS recruits aren't as abysmal as some initially thought, there are a few posters that insist on ignoring any subjective fact and continue just trying to ram their ill-informed opinion down our collective throats. The O'Shea discussion is a perfect example of this. I don't think anyone is claiming that he is Broich 2.0, but his stats would indicate that he is among the top half of midfielders in the league and any objective observer would acknowledge this. Looking at O'Shea, he has strengths and weaknesses (like all footballers). Yet there is a chorus of voices imploring us to ignore stats, results etc and just take their skewed dislike of the Roar recruits as gospel. I've even seen some posters are "insulted" by the recruiting by RF. WTF? How is that discussion and not bashing? Robbie had one of the greatest luxuries in this league, the ability to replenish and build his own squad. In a salary capped league there is no excuse, any team has the ability to go from wooden spoon contender to championship contenders instantly. Unfortunately for Robbie, his British brigade have failed him. Fighting for 6th spot, albeit an improvement on last season, is a failure. Even if results are slowly improving (style of football is still garbage, have they dominated any game at all?), they are nowhere near good enough to contend for championship honours. Look at the failed foreigners of Victory and WSW.... both coaches sacked. Robbie is lucky the Bakries don't care. Anyone with decent knowledge of the A-league and world football could see how poor this Brisbane squad is even before a ball was kicked. In conclusion = British Brigade have failed, half a season is enough to vindicate this belief and the "Brit haters" are correct. Using stats to determine how good a player is, is absolutely flawed. Win games, playing good football, critics will dissapear....................................... On the above highlighted points: - It can be a luxury, depending on the circumstances, but it can also be a curse. Clubs have very limited money to bring players in, so if you are bringing in almost an entirely new squad, you have to be very lucky to have all of them be "successful" signings. The biggest luxury would be to have an existing, high-performing squad, with the space to add some more players who will suit your system.
- Basically no other team is good enough to challenge Sydney FC this season, at least consistently. They are simply too good. I agree that Roar aren't good enough to challenge, but neither are other teams.
- Different circumstances at WSW and Victory. Both clubs would be investing more money into their squads than Roar are. Babbel was in his second season, and Kurz had the luxury of having his time at Adelaide and a pretty good knowledge of the league and what is needed to compete. Fowler is in his first season, in his first proper head coach role, so of course he is going to be given more leniency. If we are in the same position next season, then the conversation will be more relevant.
Regarding judging players based on stats, it needs to be said that it can be useful, but it isn't the whole story. Stats should neither be completely disregarded or solely relied upon when judging a player's performance.
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+x+x+x+x+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck! I don't think anyone has a problem with differing points of view and general football discussion, but there seems to be a few people who have decided that the Roar OS recruits where utter shit even before seeing them play a minute of football. Whilst the team hasn't set the world alight, the results are starting to come through and vindicate some people's optimism. I haven't seen a single Roar supporter claim they would win silverware. Yet despite results and evidence that would suggest that the OS recruits aren't as abysmal as some initially thought, there are a few posters that insist on ignoring any subjective fact and continue just trying to ram their ill-informed opinion down our collective throats. The O'Shea discussion is a perfect example of this. I don't think anyone is claiming that he is Broich 2.0, but his stats would indicate that he is among the top half of midfielders in the league and any objective observer would acknowledge this. Looking at O'Shea, he has strengths and weaknesses (like all footballers). Yet there is a chorus of voices imploring us to ignore stats, results etc and just take their skewed dislike of the Roar recruits as gospel. I've even seen some posters are "insulted" by the recruiting by RF. WTF? How is that discussion and not bashing? Robbie had one of the greatest luxuries in this league, the ability to replenish and build his own squad. In a salary capped league there is no excuse, any team has the ability to go from wooden spoon contender to championship contenders instantly. Unfortunately for Robbie, his British brigade have failed him. Fighting for 6th spot, albeit an improvement on last season, is a failure. Even if results are slowly improving (style of football is still garbage, have they dominated any game at all?), they are nowhere near good enough to contend for championship honours. Look at the failed foreigners of Victory and WSW....both coaches sacked. Robbie is lucky the Bakries don't care. Anyone with decent knowledge of the A-league and world football could see how poor this Brisbane squad is even before a ball was kicked. In conclusion = British Brigade have failed, half a season is enough to vindicate this belief and the "Brit haters" are correct. Using stats to determine how good a player is, is absolutely flawed.Win games, playing good football, critics will dissapear....................................... That’s one of the most insane comments I’ve read.
How else can you determine how good/bad a player is if it’s not through objective measurement?
The High Performance Department of a football team, including the ones used for Socceroos and Matilda’s, literally operates off statistics, statistics and more statistics.
The FIFA Coaching licensing system (A -> Pro) even places a heavy emphasis on the correct use of statistics
So in making that statement you’re basically saying the entire football world has got it wrong. Which is a remarkable statement to make. If Aldred makes the most tackles/blocks in the A-league, does that make him the best defender in the league? What stats do you use to determine how good ones positioning is? Aldreds positioning is woeful, but because he he makes the most tackles his the best defender? Nah
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck! I don't think anyone has a problem with differing points of view and general football discussion, but there seems to be a few people who have decided that the Roar OS recruits where utter shit even before seeing them play a minute of football. Whilst the team hasn't set the world alight, the results are starting to come through and vindicate some people's optimism. I haven't seen a single Roar supporter claim they would win silverware. Yet despite results and evidence that would suggest that the OS recruits aren't as abysmal as some initially thought, there are a few posters that insist on ignoring any subjective fact and continue just trying to ram their ill-informed opinion down our collective throats. The O'Shea discussion is a perfect example of this. I don't think anyone is claiming that he is Broich 2.0, but his stats would indicate that he is among the top half of midfielders in the league and any objective observer would acknowledge this. Looking at O'Shea, he has strengths and weaknesses (like all footballers). Yet there is a chorus of voices imploring us to ignore stats, results etc and just take their skewed dislike of the Roar recruits as gospel. I've even seen some posters are "insulted" by the recruiting by RF. WTF? How is that discussion and not bashing? Robbie had one of the greatest luxuries in this league, the ability to replenish and build his own squad. In a salary capped league there is no excuse, any team has the ability to go from wooden spoon contender to championship contenders instantly. Unfortunately for Robbie, his British brigade have failed him. Fighting for 6th spot, albeit an improvement on last season, is a failure. Even if results are slowly improving (style of football is still garbage, have they dominated any game at all?), they are nowhere near good enough to contend for championship honours. Look at the failed foreigners of Victory and WSW....both coaches sacked. Robbie is lucky the Bakries don't care. Anyone with decent knowledge of the A-league and world football could see how poor this Brisbane squad is even before a ball was kicked. In conclusion = British Brigade have failed, half a season is enough to vindicate this belief and the "Brit haters" are correct. Using stats to determine how good a player is, is absolutely flawed. Win games, playing good football, critics will dissapear....................................... So the only way we are allowed to judge the Roar is by your subjective standards? If you think they're garbage, to hell with any stats and whatever/whoever else disagrees with your view and your extensive "knowledge of world A-League and world football". There are literally no metrics you would accept that are in conflict with your view. All the fox pundits had predicted Brisbane to finish bottom 3 prior to the season.Brisbane have done nothing this season to suggests they are not garbage. Except the ones who described Roar as a “potential dark horse this season” .... unless that is code for “bottom 3”???
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck! I don't think anyone has a problem with differing points of view and general football discussion, but there seems to be a few people who have decided that the Roar OS recruits where utter shit even before seeing them play a minute of football. Whilst the team hasn't set the world alight, the results are starting to come through and vindicate some people's optimism. I haven't seen a single Roar supporter claim they would win silverware. Yet despite results and evidence that would suggest that the OS recruits aren't as abysmal as some initially thought, there are a few posters that insist on ignoring any subjective fact and continue just trying to ram their ill-informed opinion down our collective throats. The O'Shea discussion is a perfect example of this. I don't think anyone is claiming that he is Broich 2.0, but his stats would indicate that he is among the top half of midfielders in the league and any objective observer would acknowledge this. Looking at O'Shea, he has strengths and weaknesses (like all footballers). Yet there is a chorus of voices imploring us to ignore stats, results etc and just take their skewed dislike of the Roar recruits as gospel. I've even seen some posters are "insulted" by the recruiting by RF. WTF? How is that discussion and not bashing? Robbie had one of the greatest luxuries in this league, the ability to replenish and build his own squad. In a salary capped league there is no excuse, any team has the ability to go from wooden spoon contender to championship contenders instantly. Unfortunately for Robbie, his British brigade have failed him. Fighting for 6th spot, albeit an improvement on last season, is a failure. Even if results are slowly improving (style of football is still garbage, have they dominated any game at all?), they are nowhere near good enough to contend for championship honours. Look at the failed foreigners of Victory and WSW....both coaches sacked. Robbie is lucky the Bakries don't care. Anyone with decent knowledge of the A-league and world football could see how poor this Brisbane squad is even before a ball was kicked. In conclusion = British Brigade have failed, half a season is enough to vindicate this belief and the "Brit haters" are correct. Using stats to determine how good a player is, is absolutely flawed. Win games, playing good football, critics will dissapear....................................... So the only way we are allowed to judge the Roar is by your subjective standards? If you think they're garbage, to hell with any stats and whatever/whoever else disagrees with your view and your extensive "knowledge of world A-League and world football". There are literally no metrics you would accept that are in conflict with your view. All the fox pundits had predicted Brisbane to finish bottom 3 prior to the season. Brisbane have done nothing this season to suggests they are not garbage. Brisbane have beaten teams that are higher on the ladder than them. Teams the pundits gush over. Is that a garbage team? Or are they stats that mean jackshit too? Just trying to get a handle on what Brisbane would have to do to get a pass mark from you? Do they have to win the whole league? Finish top 4, top 6? What is is that you think they would need to do to not be "garbage"?
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+xWhat I am quite interested in is how Fowler will approach next season. Obviously this will depend on a number of things including what length of contract his new signings are on (especially the visa players) and whether the bakries are willing to open up the coin purse. I think Fowler knows that any new visa signings he makes need to be of a higher quality, and I can't imagine he doesn't have the required connections to identify some really good overseas players, so hopefully he is able to refresh the visa side of the squad and bring in some absolute guns. I believe RF must and does have those connections overseas, it appears it's the purse strings that are too tight. Loosen the strings and we may see better recruiting. I actually dont think the recruiting is as bad is as bad as some would suggest. Is it that we all expected more..? Probably. Hiwever with inly 5 losses to date, id suggest that's not too bad, nevertheless a couple more wins would certainly build some confidence. but hey let's give the opposition teams some credit for being better in occasion.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck! I don't think anyone has a problem with differing points of view and general football discussion, but there seems to be a few people who have decided that the Roar OS recruits where utter shit even before seeing them play a minute of football. Whilst the team hasn't set the world alight, the results are starting to come through and vindicate some people's optimism. I haven't seen a single Roar supporter claim they would win silverware. Yet despite results and evidence that would suggest that the OS recruits aren't as abysmal as some initially thought, there are a few posters that insist on ignoring any subjective fact and continue just trying to ram their ill-informed opinion down our collective throats. The O'Shea discussion is a perfect example of this. I don't think anyone is claiming that he is Broich 2.0, but his stats would indicate that he is among the top half of midfielders in the league and any objective observer would acknowledge this. Looking at O'Shea, he has strengths and weaknesses (like all footballers). Yet there is a chorus of voices imploring us to ignore stats, results etc and just take their skewed dislike of the Roar recruits as gospel. I've even seen some posters are "insulted" by the recruiting by RF. WTF? How is that discussion and not bashing? Robbie had one of the greatest luxuries in this league, the ability to replenish and build his own squad. In a salary capped league there is no excuse, any team has the ability to go from wooden spoon contender to championship contenders instantly. Unfortunately for Robbie, his British brigade have failed him. Fighting for 6th spot, albeit an improvement on last season, is a failure. Even if results are slowly improving (style of football is still garbage, have they dominated any game at all?), they are nowhere near good enough to contend for championship honours. Look at the failed foreigners of Victory and WSW....both coaches sacked. Robbie is lucky the Bakries don't care. Anyone with decent knowledge of the A-league and world football could see how poor this Brisbane squad is even before a ball was kicked. In conclusion = British Brigade have failed, half a season is enough to vindicate this belief and the "Brit haters" are correct. Using stats to determine how good a player is, is absolutely flawed. Win games, playing good football, critics will dissapear....................................... So the only way we are allowed to judge the Roar is by your subjective standards? If you think they're garbage, to hell with any stats and whatever/whoever else disagrees with your view and your extensive "knowledge of world A-League and world football". There are literally no metrics you would accept that are in conflict with your view. All the fox pundits had predicted Brisbane to finish bottom 3 prior to the season.Brisbane have done nothing this season to suggests they are not garbage. Except the ones who described Roar as a “potential dark horse this season” .... unless that is code for “bottom 3”??? They literally had them all in the bottom 3 when they did there tables.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]It appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck! I don't think anyone has a problem with differing points of view and general football discussion, but there seems to be a few people who have decided that the Roar OS recruits where utter shit even before seeing them play a minute of football. Whilst the team hasn't set the world alight, the results are starting to come through and vindicate some people's optimism. I haven't seen a single Roar supporter claim they would win silverware. Yet despite results and evidence that would suggest that the OS recruits aren't as abysmal as some initially thought, there are a few posters that insist on ignoring any subjective fact and continue just trying to ram their ill-informed opinion down our collective throats. The O'Shea discussion is a perfect example of this. I don't think anyone is claiming that he is Broich 2.0, but his stats would indicate that he is among the top half of midfielders in the league and any objective observer would acknowledge this. Looking at O'Shea, he has strengths and weaknesses (like all footballers). Yet there is a chorus of voices imploring us to ignore stats, results etc and just take their skewed dislike of the Roar recruits as gospel. I've even seen some posters are "insulted" by the recruiting by RF. WTF? How is that discussion and not bashing? Robbie had one of the greatest luxuries in this league, the ability to replenish and build his own squad. In a salary capped league there is no excuse, any team has the ability to go from wooden spoon contender to championship contenders instantly. Unfortunately for Robbie, his British brigade have failed him. Fighting for 6th spot, albeit an improvement on last season, is a failure. Even if results are slowly improving (style of football is still garbage, have they dominated any game at all?), they are nowhere near good enough to contend for championship honours. Look at the failed foreigners of Victory and WSW....both coaches sacked. Robbie is lucky the Bakries don't care. Anyone with decent knowledge of the A-league and world football could see how poor this Brisbane squad is even before a ball was kicked. In conclusion = British Brigade have failed, half a season is enough to vindicate this belief and the "Brit haters" are correct. Using stats to determine how good a player is, is absolutely flawed. Win games, playing good football, critics will dissapear....................................... So the only way we are allowed to judge the Roar is by your subjective standards? If you think they're garbage, to hell with any stats and whatever/whoever else disagrees with your view and your extensive "knowledge of world A-League and world football". There are literally no metrics you would accept that are in conflict with your view. All the fox pundits had predicted Brisbane to finish bottom 3 prior to the season. Brisbane have done nothing this season to suggests they are not garbage. Brisbane have beaten teams that are higher on the ladder than them. Teams the pundits gush over. Is that a garbage team? Or are they stats that mean jackshit too? Just trying to get a handle on what Brisbane would have to do to get a pass mark from you? Do they have to win the whole league? Finish top 4, top 6? What is is that you think they would need to do to not be "garbage"? Play good football, which is not what they are doing. They are just as bad as WSW. CCM get a pass mark, they play well, but just don't have the talent to contend.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]It appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck! I don't think anyone has a problem with differing points of view and general football discussion, but there seems to be a few people who have decided that the Roar OS recruits where utter shit even before seeing them play a minute of football. Whilst the team hasn't set the world alight, the results are starting to come through and vindicate some people's optimism. I haven't seen a single Roar supporter claim they would win silverware. Yet despite results and evidence that would suggest that the OS recruits aren't as abysmal as some initially thought, there are a few posters that insist on ignoring any subjective fact and continue just trying to ram their ill-informed opinion down our collective throats. The O'Shea discussion is a perfect example of this. I don't think anyone is claiming that he is Broich 2.0, but his stats would indicate that he is among the top half of midfielders in the league and any objective observer would acknowledge this. Looking at O'Shea, he has strengths and weaknesses (like all footballers). Yet there is a chorus of voices imploring us to ignore stats, results etc and just take their skewed dislike of the Roar recruits as gospel. I've even seen some posters are "insulted" by the recruiting by RF. WTF? How is that discussion and not bashing? Robbie had one of the greatest luxuries in this league, the ability to replenish and build his own squad. In a salary capped league there is no excuse, any team has the ability to go from wooden spoon contender to championship contenders instantly. Unfortunately for Robbie, his British brigade have failed him. Fighting for 6th spot, albeit an improvement on last season, is a failure. Even if results are slowly improving (style of football is still garbage, have they dominated any game at all?), they are nowhere near good enough to contend for championship honours. Look at the failed foreigners of Victory and WSW....both coaches sacked. Robbie is lucky the Bakries don't care. Anyone with decent knowledge of the A-league and world football could see how poor this Brisbane squad is even before a ball was kicked. In conclusion = British Brigade have failed, half a season is enough to vindicate this belief and the "Brit haters" are correct. Using stats to determine how good a player is, is absolutely flawed. Win games, playing good football, critics will dissapear....................................... So the only way we are allowed to judge the Roar is by your subjective standards? If you think they're garbage, to hell with any stats and whatever/whoever else disagrees with your view and your extensive "knowledge of world A-League and world football". There are literally no metrics you would accept that are in conflict with your view. All the fox pundits had predicted Brisbane to finish bottom 3 prior to the season. Brisbane have done nothing this season to suggests they are not garbage. Brisbane have beaten teams that are higher on the ladder than them. Teams the pundits gush over. Is that a garbage team? Or are they stats that mean jackshit too? Just trying to get a handle on what Brisbane would have to do to get a pass mark from you? Do they have to win the whole league? Finish top 4, top 6? What is is that you think they would need to do to not be "garbage"? Play good football, which is not what they are doing. They are just as bad as WSW. CCM get a pass mark, they play well, but just don't have the talent to contend. OK, so define what "good football" is. Is it possession based build up, is it transitional etc?
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+x+x+x+x+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck! I don't think anyone has a problem with differing points of view and general football discussion, but there seems to be a few people who have decided that the Roar OS recruits where utter shit even before seeing them play a minute of football. Whilst the team hasn't set the world alight, the results are starting to come through and vindicate some people's optimism. I haven't seen a single Roar supporter claim they would win silverware. Yet despite results and evidence that would suggest that the OS recruits aren't as abysmal as some initially thought, there are a few posters that insist on ignoring any subjective fact and continue just trying to ram their ill-informed opinion down our collective throats. The O'Shea discussion is a perfect example of this. I don't think anyone is claiming that he is Broich 2.0, but his stats would indicate that he is among the top half of midfielders in the league and any objective observer would acknowledge this. Looking at O'Shea, he has strengths and weaknesses (like all footballers). Yet there is a chorus of voices imploring us to ignore stats, results etc and just take their skewed dislike of the Roar recruits as gospel. I've even seen some posters are "insulted" by the recruiting by RF. WTF? How is that discussion and not bashing? Robbie had one of the greatest luxuries in this league, the ability to replenish and build his own squad. In a salary capped league there is no excuse, any team has the ability to go from wooden spoon contender to championship contenders instantly. Unfortunately for Robbie, his British brigade have failed him. Fighting for 6th spot, albeit an improvement on last season, is a failure. Even if results are slowly improving (style of football is still garbage, have they dominated any game at all?), they are nowhere near good enough to contend for championship honours. Look at the failed foreigners of Victory and WSW.... both coaches sacked. Robbie is lucky the Bakries don't care. Anyone with decent knowledge of the A-league and world football could see how poor this Brisbane squad is even before a ball was kicked. In conclusion = British Brigade have failed, half a season is enough to vindicate this belief and the "Brit haters" are correct. Using stats to determine how good a player is, is absolutely flawed. Win games, playing good football, critics will dissapear....................................... On the above highlighted points: - It can be a luxury, depending on the circumstances, but it can also be a curse. Clubs have very limited money to bring players in, so if you are bringing in almost an entirely new squad, you have to be very lucky to have all of them be "successful" signings. The biggest luxury would be to have an existing, high-performing squad, with the space to add some more players who will suit your system.
- Basically no other team is good enough to challenge Sydney FC this season, at least consistently. They are simply too good. I agree that Roar aren't good enough to challenge, but neither are other teams.
- Different circumstances at WSW and Victory. Both clubs would be investing more money into their squads than Roar are. Babbel was in his second season, and Kurz had the luxury of having his time at Adelaide and a pretty good knowledge of the league and what is needed to compete. Fowler is in his first season, in his first proper head coach role, so of course he is going to be given more leniency. If we are in the same position next season, then the conversation will be more relevant.
Regarding judging players based on stats, it needs to be said that it can be useful, but it isn't the whole story. Stats should neither be completely disregarded or solely relied upon when judging a player's performance. Agree with most your points...but 1. Clubs don't have limited money as there is a salary cap and must spend above the minimum cap year after year, apart from loyalty bonuses and marques all teams are on the same level. 2. Glory is good enough. 3. Robbie has said they have utilised the entire cap. (Refer to his comments earlier in the season when he said he doesn't understand how other clubs do it)
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck! I don't think anyone has a problem with differing points of view and general football discussion, but there seems to be a few people who have decided that the Roar OS recruits where utter shit even before seeing them play a minute of football. Whilst the team hasn't set the world alight, the results are starting to come through and vindicate some people's optimism. I haven't seen a single Roar supporter claim they would win silverware. Yet despite results and evidence that would suggest that the OS recruits aren't as abysmal as some initially thought, there are a few posters that insist on ignoring any subjective fact and continue just trying to ram their ill-informed opinion down our collective throats. The O'Shea discussion is a perfect example of this. I don't think anyone is claiming that he is Broich 2.0, but his stats would indicate that he is among the top half of midfielders in the league and any objective observer would acknowledge this. Looking at O'Shea, he has strengths and weaknesses (like all footballers). Yet there is a chorus of voices imploring us to ignore stats, results etc and just take their skewed dislike of the Roar recruits as gospel. I've even seen some posters are "insulted" by the recruiting by RF. WTF? How is that discussion and not bashing? Robbie had one of the greatest luxuries in this league, the ability to replenish and build his own squad. In a salary capped league there is no excuse, any team has the ability to go from wooden spoon contender to championship contenders instantly. Unfortunately for Robbie, his British brigade have failed him. Fighting for 6th spot, albeit an improvement on last season, is a failure. Even if results are slowly improving (style of football is still garbage, have they dominated any game at all?), they are nowhere near good enough to contend for championship honours. Look at the failed foreigners of Victory and WSW....both coaches sacked. Robbie is lucky the Bakries don't care. Anyone with decent knowledge of the A-league and world football could see how poor this Brisbane squad is even before a ball was kicked. In conclusion = British Brigade have failed, half a season is enough to vindicate this belief and the "Brit haters" are correct. Using stats to determine how good a player is, is absolutely flawed.Win games, playing good football, critics will dissapear....................................... That’s one of the most insane comments I’ve read.
How else can you determine how good/bad a player is if it’s not through objective measurement?
The High Performance Department of a football team, including the ones used for Socceroos and Matilda’s, literally operates off statistics, statistics and more statistics.
The FIFA Coaching licensing system (A -> Pro) even places a heavy emphasis on the correct use of statistics
So in making that statement you’re basically saying the entire football world has got it wrong. Which is a remarkable statement to make. If Aldred makes the most tackles/blocks in the A-league, does that make him the best defender in the league? What stats do you use to determine how good ones positioning is? Aldreds positioning is woeful, but because he he makes the most tackles his the best defender? Nah You’re not arguing with me, you’re arguing against the entire professional football world.
Absolutely insane comment.
And it’s not just football, it’s pretty much every code. You must have seen the film ‘Moneyballs’: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moneyball_(film)which gives a great example from baseball where objective statistical analysis, combined with coaches knowledge/experience replaced good old fashioned “gut feel” and opinion.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck! I don't think anyone has a problem with differing points of view and general football discussion, but there seems to be a few people who have decided that the Roar OS recruits where utter shit even before seeing them play a minute of football. Whilst the team hasn't set the world alight, the results are starting to come through and vindicate some people's optimism. I haven't seen a single Roar supporter claim they would win silverware. Yet despite results and evidence that would suggest that the OS recruits aren't as abysmal as some initially thought, there are a few posters that insist on ignoring any subjective fact and continue just trying to ram their ill-informed opinion down our collective throats. The O'Shea discussion is a perfect example of this. I don't think anyone is claiming that he is Broich 2.0, but his stats would indicate that he is among the top half of midfielders in the league and any objective observer would acknowledge this. Looking at O'Shea, he has strengths and weaknesses (like all footballers). Yet there is a chorus of voices imploring us to ignore stats, results etc and just take their skewed dislike of the Roar recruits as gospel. I've even seen some posters are "insulted" by the recruiting by RF. WTF? How is that discussion and not bashing? Robbie had one of the greatest luxuries in this league, the ability to replenish and build his own squad. In a salary capped league there is no excuse, any team has the ability to go from wooden spoon contender to championship contenders instantly. Unfortunately for Robbie, his British brigade have failed him. Fighting for 6th spot, albeit an improvement on last season, is a failure. Even if results are slowly improving (style of football is still garbage, have they dominated any game at all?), they are nowhere near good enough to contend for championship honours. Look at the failed foreigners of Victory and WSW.... both coaches sacked. Robbie is lucky the Bakries don't care. Anyone with decent knowledge of the A-league and world football could see how poor this Brisbane squad is even before a ball was kicked. In conclusion = British Brigade have failed, half a season is enough to vindicate this belief and the "Brit haters" are correct. Using stats to determine how good a player is, is absolutely flawed. Win games, playing good football, critics will dissapear....................................... On the above highlighted points: - It can be a luxury, depending on the circumstances, but it can also be a curse. Clubs have very limited money to bring players in, so if you are bringing in almost an entirely new squad, you have to be very lucky to have all of them be "successful" signings. The biggest luxury would be to have an existing, high-performing squad, with the space to add some more players who will suit your system.
- Basically no other team is good enough to challenge Sydney FC this season, at least consistently. They are simply too good. I agree that Roar aren't good enough to challenge, but neither are other teams.
- Different circumstances at WSW and Victory. Both clubs would be investing more money into their squads than Roar are. Babbel was in his second season, and Kurz had the luxury of having his time at Adelaide and a pretty good knowledge of the league and what is needed to compete. Fowler is in his first season, in his first proper head coach role, so of course he is going to be given more leniency. If we are in the same position next season, then the conversation will be more relevant.
Regarding judging players based on stats, it needs to be said that it can be useful, but it isn't the whole story. Stats should neither be completely disregarded or solely relied upon when judging a player's performance. Agree with most your points...but 1. Clubs don't have limited money as there is a salary cap and must spend above the minimum cap year after year, apart from loyalty bonuses and marques all teams are on the same level. 2. Glory is good enough. 3. Robbie has said they have utilised the entire cap. (Refer to his comments earlier in the season when he said he doesn't understand how other clubs do it) Correct. The only thing they haven’t used is the two exempt players which will bring their spend on players down by about $1m this season (I recon most clubs are down this year too).
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck! I don't think anyone has a problem with differing points of view and general football discussion, but there seems to be a few people who have decided that the Roar OS recruits where utter shit even before seeing them play a minute of football. Whilst the team hasn't set the world alight, the results are starting to come through and vindicate some people's optimism. I haven't seen a single Roar supporter claim they would win silverware. Yet despite results and evidence that would suggest that the OS recruits aren't as abysmal as some initially thought, there are a few posters that insist on ignoring any subjective fact and continue just trying to ram their ill-informed opinion down our collective throats. The O'Shea discussion is a perfect example of this. I don't think anyone is claiming that he is Broich 2.0, but his stats would indicate that he is among the top half of midfielders in the league and any objective observer would acknowledge this. Looking at O'Shea, he has strengths and weaknesses (like all footballers). Yet there is a chorus of voices imploring us to ignore stats, results etc and just take their skewed dislike of the Roar recruits as gospel. I've even seen some posters are "insulted" by the recruiting by RF. WTF? How is that discussion and not bashing? Robbie had one of the greatest luxuries in this league, the ability to replenish and build his own squad. In a salary capped league there is no excuse, any team has the ability to go from wooden spoon contender to championship contenders instantly. Unfortunately for Robbie, his British brigade have failed him. Fighting for 6th spot, albeit an improvement on last season, is a failure. Even if results are slowly improving (style of football is still garbage, have they dominated any game at all?), they are nowhere near good enough to contend for championship honours. Look at the failed foreigners of Victory and WSW....both coaches sacked. Robbie is lucky the Bakries don't care. Anyone with decent knowledge of the A-league and world football could see how poor this Brisbane squad is even before a ball was kicked. In conclusion = British Brigade have failed, half a season is enough to vindicate this belief and the "Brit haters" are correct. Using stats to determine how good a player is, is absolutely flawed. Win games, playing good football, critics will dissapear....................................... So the only way we are allowed to judge the Roar is by your subjective standards? If you think they're garbage, to hell with any stats and whatever/whoever else disagrees with your view and your extensive "knowledge of world A-League and world football". There are literally no metrics you would accept that are in conflict with your view. All the fox pundits had predicted Brisbane to finish bottom 3 prior to the season.Brisbane have done nothing this season to suggests they are not garbage. Except the ones who described Roar as a “potential dark horse this season” .... unless that is code for “bottom 3”??? They literally had them all in the bottom 3 when they did there tables. I bet you dislike the strip too.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck! I don't think anyone has a problem with differing points of view and general football discussion, but there seems to be a few people who have decided that the Roar OS recruits where utter shit even before seeing them play a minute of football. Whilst the team hasn't set the world alight, the results are starting to come through and vindicate some people's optimism. I haven't seen a single Roar supporter claim they would win silverware. Yet despite results and evidence that would suggest that the OS recruits aren't as abysmal as some initially thought, there are a few posters that insist on ignoring any subjective fact and continue just trying to ram their ill-informed opinion down our collective throats. The O'Shea discussion is a perfect example of this. I don't think anyone is claiming that he is Broich 2.0, but his stats would indicate that he is among the top half of midfielders in the league and any objective observer would acknowledge this. Looking at O'Shea, he has strengths and weaknesses (like all footballers). Yet there is a chorus of voices imploring us to ignore stats, results etc and just take their skewed dislike of the Roar recruits as gospel. I've even seen some posters are "insulted" by the recruiting by RF. WTF? How is that discussion and not bashing? Robbie had one of the greatest luxuries in this league, the ability to replenish and build his own squad. In a salary capped league there is no excuse, any team has the ability to go from wooden spoon contender to championship contenders instantly. Unfortunately for Robbie, his British brigade have failed him. Fighting for 6th spot, albeit an improvement on last season, is a failure. Even if results are slowly improving (style of football is still garbage, have they dominated any game at all?), they are nowhere near good enough to contend for championship honours. Look at the failed foreigners of Victory and WSW....both coaches sacked. Robbie is lucky the Bakries don't care. Anyone with decent knowledge of the A-league and world football could see how poor this Brisbane squad is even before a ball was kicked. In conclusion = British Brigade have failed, half a season is enough to vindicate this belief and the "Brit haters" are correct. Using stats to determine how good a player is, is absolutely flawed.Win games, playing good football, critics will dissapear....................................... That’s one of the most insane comments I’ve read.
How else can you determine how good/bad a player is if it’s not through objective measurement?
The High Performance Department of a football team, including the ones used for Socceroos and Matilda’s, literally operates off statistics, statistics and more statistics.
The FIFA Coaching licensing system (A -> Pro) even places a heavy emphasis on the correct use of statistics
So in making that statement you’re basically saying the entire football world has got it wrong. Which is a remarkable statement to make. If Aldred makes the most tackles/blocks in the A-league, does that make him the best defender in the league? What stats do you use to determine how good ones positioning is? Aldreds positioning is woeful, but because he he makes the most tackles his the best defender? Nah You’re not arguing with me, you’re arguing against the entire professional football world.
Absolutely insane comment.
And it’s not just football, it’s pretty much every code. You must have seen the film ‘Moneyballs’: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moneyball_(film)which gives a great example from baseball where objective statistical analysis, combined with coaches knowledge/experience replaced good old fashioned “gut feel”.
In football you cannot solely apply statistics to a player to determine how good/bad a player is. Baseball is literally a sport where stats matter most. If your batting average is .300, your a great player, if its .130 your garbage. Most home runs = best player, most goals in football does not equal best player. Matt Priddis won the Brownlow in ALF few years back, because he had most disposals in the season...yet he wasn't even the best player on his team.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIt appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck! I don't think anyone has a problem with differing points of view and general football discussion, but there seems to be a few people who have decided that the Roar OS recruits where utter shit even before seeing them play a minute of football. Whilst the team hasn't set the world alight, the results are starting to come through and vindicate some people's optimism. I haven't seen a single Roar supporter claim they would win silverware. Yet despite results and evidence that would suggest that the OS recruits aren't as abysmal as some initially thought, there are a few posters that insist on ignoring any subjective fact and continue just trying to ram their ill-informed opinion down our collective throats. The O'Shea discussion is a perfect example of this. I don't think anyone is claiming that he is Broich 2.0, but his stats would indicate that he is among the top half of midfielders in the league and any objective observer would acknowledge this. Looking at O'Shea, he has strengths and weaknesses (like all footballers). Yet there is a chorus of voices imploring us to ignore stats, results etc and just take their skewed dislike of the Roar recruits as gospel. I've even seen some posters are "insulted" by the recruiting by RF. WTF? How is that discussion and not bashing? Robbie had one of the greatest luxuries in this league, the ability to replenish and build his own squad. In a salary capped league there is no excuse, any team has the ability to go from wooden spoon contender to championship contenders instantly. Unfortunately for Robbie, his British brigade have failed him. Fighting for 6th spot, albeit an improvement on last season, is a failure. Even if results are slowly improving (style of football is still garbage, have they dominated any game at all?), they are nowhere near good enough to contend for championship honours. Look at the failed foreigners of Victory and WSW....both coaches sacked. Robbie is lucky the Bakries don't care. Anyone with decent knowledge of the A-league and world football could see how poor this Brisbane squad is even before a ball was kicked. In conclusion = British Brigade have failed, half a season is enough to vindicate this belief and the "Brit haters" are correct. Using stats to determine how good a player is, is absolutely flawed. Win games, playing good football, critics will dissapear....................................... So the only way we are allowed to judge the Roar is by your subjective standards? If you think they're garbage, to hell with any stats and whatever/whoever else disagrees with your view and your extensive "knowledge of world A-League and world football". There are literally no metrics you would accept that are in conflict with your view. All the fox pundits had predicted Brisbane to finish bottom 3 prior to the season.Brisbane have done nothing this season to suggests they are not garbage. Except the ones who described Roar as a “potential dark horse this season” .... unless that is code for “bottom 3”??? They literally had them all in the bottom 3 when they did there tables. I bet you dislike the strip too. The Puma Roar kit back in the day is probably my favourite Aleague kit to date.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]It appears the Brit bashers and RF bashers have gone somewhere else now that Roar ha e a couple of results. But now we got people on here that just want to disagree with any stat they don't like. Fact is Brisbane has shown some improvement and some don't like it. Why that is and why that upsets them enough to disagree and argue against anyone who is a Bris supporter, I just can't say...... The initial recruitment and quality was dismal, even worse than originally anticipated. Roar have come around a bit with the blending of some new starting X1 players with better skill and vision which has resulted in points. This is good. However Roar are far from where they want to be and the over-optimism shown by some, invites a different point of view by others. That's football. You may call them bashers and want to shut discussion down, but good luck! I don't think anyone has a problem with differing points of view and general football discussion, but there seems to be a few people who have decided that the Roar OS recruits where utter shit even before seeing them play a minute of football. Whilst the team hasn't set the world alight, the results are starting to come through and vindicate some people's optimism. I haven't seen a single Roar supporter claim they would win silverware. Yet despite results and evidence that would suggest that the OS recruits aren't as abysmal as some initially thought, there are a few posters that insist on ignoring any subjective fact and continue just trying to ram their ill-informed opinion down our collective throats. The O'Shea discussion is a perfect example of this. I don't think anyone is claiming that he is Broich 2.0, but his stats would indicate that he is among the top half of midfielders in the league and any objective observer would acknowledge this. Looking at O'Shea, he has strengths and weaknesses (like all footballers). Yet there is a chorus of voices imploring us to ignore stats, results etc and just take their skewed dislike of the Roar recruits as gospel. I've even seen some posters are "insulted" by the recruiting by RF. WTF? How is that discussion and not bashing? Robbie had one of the greatest luxuries in this league, the ability to replenish and build his own squad. In a salary capped league there is no excuse, any team has the ability to go from wooden spoon contender to championship contenders instantly. Unfortunately for Robbie, his British brigade have failed him. Fighting for 6th spot, albeit an improvement on last season, is a failure. Even if results are slowly improving (style of football is still garbage, have they dominated any game at all?), they are nowhere near good enough to contend for championship honours. Look at the failed foreigners of Victory and WSW....both coaches sacked. Robbie is lucky the Bakries don't care. Anyone with decent knowledge of the A-league and world football could see how poor this Brisbane squad is even before a ball was kicked. In conclusion = British Brigade have failed, half a season is enough to vindicate this belief and the "Brit haters" are correct. Using stats to determine how good a player is, is absolutely flawed. Win games, playing good football, critics will dissapear....................................... So the only way we are allowed to judge the Roar is by your subjective standards? If you think they're garbage, to hell with any stats and whatever/whoever else disagrees with your view and your extensive "knowledge of world A-League and world football". There are literally no metrics you would accept that are in conflict with your view. All the fox pundits had predicted Brisbane to finish bottom 3 prior to the season. Brisbane have done nothing this season to suggests they are not garbage. Brisbane have beaten teams that are higher on the ladder than them. Teams the pundits gush over. Is that a garbage team? Or are they stats that mean jackshit too? Just trying to get a handle on what Brisbane would have to do to get a pass mark from you? Do they have to win the whole league? Finish top 4, top 6? What is is that you think they would need to do to not be "garbage"? Play good football, which is not what they are doing. They are just as bad as WSW. CCM get a pass mark, they play well, but just don't have the talent to contend. OK, so define what "good football" is. Is it possession based build up, is it transitional etc? Lots of elements to good football, pleasing to the eye. Sydney City Perth Wellington and to a lesser extent Adelaide are all good to watch, when in possession, they have a clear game plan. When you watch Brisbane, they literally don't know what to do.
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