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Jade North to be offered a contract extension by Aloisi.
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This is a fantastic analysis of Roars play this year, includes video as well so can't cut n paste too much: http://leopoldmethod.com.au/brisbanes-midfield-starting-to-roar/
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Waz wrote:Jade North to be offered a contract extension by Aloisi. As long as he keeps some of the younger players like clut, i am not complaining. Really North here until he retires. Not sure if he will want to go back to newcastle.
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Need to sit down and read but the corona, brattan figure is interesting. Just pointing out that Corona is getting involved further up and making controbutions in attack while still being fairly good defensively. As corona make more key passes ie attacking passes his passing % is not as great but he doesn't pass back as much.
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Interesting read, I always though mckay will be the biggest loss when we go. He been key to the roar for so long and is vital with his energy which he brings to roar and the roos.
It kind of funny he pointed out petratos, talks about what is good, which is basically all borello. Which is running inside so petrat move to the outside. The problem is you can see in the couple of gifs petrat move inside or passes the ball inside and not take advantage of the space that borello provides with his run moving central. Thought it was odd he didn't talk about that side of why petrat was failing.
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lolitsbigmic wrote:Need to sit down and read but the corona, brattan figure is interesting. Just pointing out that Corona is getting involved further up and making controbutions in attack while still being fairly good defensively. As corona make more key passes ie attacking passes his passing % is not as great but he doesn't pass back as much. It's a really good analysis, I'll need to re-read it myself but the comparison with brats is spot on
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lolitsbigmic wrote:Interesting read, I always though mckay will be the biggest loss when we go. He been key to the roar for so long and is vital with his energy which he brings to roar and the roos.
It kind of funny he pointed out petratos, talks about what is good, which is basically all borello. Which is running inside so petrat move to the outside. The problem is you can see in the couple of gifs petrat move inside or passes the ball inside and not take advantage of the space that borello provides with his run moving central. Thought it was odd he didn't talk about that side of why petrat was failing. I don't think petrat is failing, especially over the last couple of days, but he hasn't managed to capitalise on the space being provided yet but like a few others he's still getting into the grove of the new set up. I think we wait n see on petrat, I'm coming around to him under Aloisi.
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Waz wrote:lolitsbigmic wrote:Interesting read, I always though mckay will be the biggest loss when we go. He been key to the roar for so long and is vital with his energy which he brings to roar and the roos.
It kind of funny he pointed out petratos, talks about what is good, which is basically all borello. Which is running inside so petrat move to the outside. The problem is you can see in the couple of gifs petrat move inside or passes the ball inside and not take advantage of the space that borello provides with his run moving central. Thought it was odd he didn't talk about that side of why petrat was failing. I don't think petrat is failing, especially over the last couple of days, but he hasn't managed to capitalise on the space being provided yet but like a few others he's still getting into the grove of the new set up. I think we wait n see on petrat, I'm coming around to him under Aloisi. The fact he is not using the space is a massive failure. It is clearly a manager instruction and he is not following the tactic. He has been here for 3 years now, how come everyone else in the squad is on board with the tactic except him. It is because his head down looking at the ball. If we had no one else to use in that position i wouldn't mind, but we have so much quality on the bench that a player who is down on form doesn't diverse this long run of 90 minutes he has been given. Borello and jamie have been taken off in the last two games because of their screw up why not petrat?
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Waz wrote:clockwork orange wrote:lolitsbigmic wrote:roary's mane wrote:Fish to stay as a sub as well - can start him if injuries hit/in January when half the squad is gone. Very true. Love him to death, he would want to be playing 90 minutes. But you have to use him when he is effective 2nd half 50-60th minute substitute like clockwork. I'm actually more dangerous coming on in the 89th minute. I disagree. He played his best football last season when he started. This is simply fishism and I hereby start the campaign to "liberate the fish" .... #FreeTheFish. T-Shirts $10 deposit now and delivered at some vague point in the future, they'll be nice (trust me!) Are you talking about me or Henrique?
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clockwork orange wrote:Waz wrote:clockwork orange wrote:lolitsbigmic wrote:roary's mane wrote:Fish to stay as a sub as well - can start him if injuries hit/in January when half the squad is gone. Very true. Love him to death, he would want to be playing 90 minutes. But you have to use him when he is effective 2nd half 50-60th minute substitute like clockwork. I'm actually more dangerous coming on in the 89th minute. I disagree. He played his best football last season when he started. This is simply fishism and I hereby start the campaign to "liberate the fish" .... #FreeTheFish. T-Shirts $10 deposit now and delivered at some vague point in the future, they'll be nice (trust me!) Are you talking about me or Henrique? I'm not sure anymore ;)
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lolitsbigmic wrote:roary's mane wrote:Fish to stay as a sub as well - can start him if injuries hit/in January when half the squad is gone. Very true. Love him to death, he would want to be playing 90 minutes. But you have to use him when he is effective 2nd half 50-60th minute substitute like clockwork. re paulc, the issue all the time petrat runs with the ball, it is in the opposite direction to goal or running on the inside. He NEVER takes on the man and goes forwards unlike borello, that's the problem. He does everything 90% right, the issue is 10% he gets wrong is the difference in being a great important team player and a ball hog that slows down play. we have plenty of players that have the x factor that don't kill the attack, ricky, clut, lustica and probably hervas who offer way more. If you're looking for a player that kills an attack go no further than Borello. Rarely would an attacking player plough straight forward past a defender unless he had incredible speed. No one in the team has the ability to dribble past an attacker at a slow rate than Broich. But Petratros is one of the better few next in line with this skill even if he does go sidewards more often. He has good foot skills and can score or come close when others can't because of the way the opposition is set up. He does seem to pull one out of the hat at times and is that different X factor I think is keeping in. Still, IMO there are better benefits in playing Lustica (jury still out on Hervas) with his mobility. Unfortunately Petratos athletism is restricted to waddling around in small areas rather than bursting his bubble to get into good positions that covers more blades of grass. It's a major failure on his part. As I said earlier, you can't have too many players in mid without mobility or an in your face attitude. Corona and Petratos are one too many.
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I just realised i won't see a roar home game until the 22nd of January as i am away between Christmas and new year. This scheduling is so screwed. How are clubs meant people to games when there is such a large gap between home game, as i imagine my story is not much different to many people during Christmas period. It is so hard to build momentum.
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What to do about Petrat? Good on the ball ,but having given him a lot of time,it's clear he can't make a forward pass. I'm going to get brain damage from hitting my head every time he passes backwards ,when a potential forward raid in on. Time for Hevas or Lustica. McClaren and Borello are both works in progress.Each are too loose with everything they do.As much as I like youth having a chance to improve,I am convinced Roar have no chance to win the title if they are first choice. Compare them to what MV have and you can see the problem.
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crimsoncrusoe wrote:What to do about Petrat? Good on the ball ,but having given him a lot of time,it's clear he can't make a forward pass. I'm going to get brain damage from hitting my head every time he passes backwards ,when a potential forward raid in on. Time for Hevas or Lustica. McClaren and Borello are both works in progress.Each are too loose with everything they do.As much as I like youth having a chance to improve,I am convinced Roar have no chance to win the title if they are first choice. Compare them to what MV have and you can see the problem.
Edited by crimsoncrusoe: 29/11/2015 10:06:51 AM I think ricky should be starting over borello at the moment. Petrat doesn't deserve to be on the bench at the moment. Hevas must start, lustica and clut on the bench. The thing with petrat is that he can play across the front 3 and AM, which is makes him very versitle, but when you go specialist player options who have performed better. Is there a real need until they get injured or drop in form. It is clear in the last two games things are not working because the transition is to slow. Hevas and lustica always look for a forward pass and look to offload it quickly. That will make a difference. Jamie should always been starting, he scoring a goal every two games which is what a good striker can do. Borello needs some time off to focus on what he was doing but i do feel he improved in some things already. As per victory, there is so much funny buisness with there salaries, legal but still pushing the boundaries. Take away Kosta and bes they are not looking to great at the moment, FKB has been really down on form, finks been excellent but you can't win something with just him, taking set pieces.
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lolitsbigmic wrote:crimsoncrusoe wrote:What to do about Petrat? Good on the ball ,but having given him a lot of time,it's clear he can't make a forward pass. I'm going to get brain damage from hitting my head every time he passes backwards ,when a potential forward raid in on. Time for Hevas or Lustica. McClaren and Borello are both works in progress.Each are too loose with everything they do.As much as I like youth having a chance to improve,I am convinced Roar have no chance to win the title if they are first choice. Compare them to what MV have and you can see the problem.
Edited by crimsoncrusoe: 29/11/2015 10:06:51 AM I think ricky should be starting over borello at the moment. Petrat doesn't deserve to be on the bench at the moment. Hevas must start, lustica and clut on the bench. The thing with petrat is that he can play across the front 3 and AM, which is makes him very versitle, but when you go specialist player options who have performed better. Is there a real need until they get injured or drop in form. It is clear in the last two games things are not working because the transition is to slow. Hevas and lustica always look for a forward pass and look to offload it quickly. That will make a difference. Jamie should always been starting, he scoring a goal every two games which is what a good striker can do. Borello needs some time off to focus on what he was doing but i do feel he improved in some things already. As per victory, there is so much funny buisness with there salaries, legal but still pushing the boundaries. Take away Kosta and bes they are not looking to great at the moment, FKB has been really down on form, finks been excellent but you can't win something with just him, taking set pieces. I'm going to disagree on Petratos, he's one of the most improved players this season and consistently one of the better performers over the last few games at least. There's three areas that I think need looking at: 1. Right back - for the second game in a row Hingert has been in trouble. Is he the best choice? Here I'm not sure what the solution is, Polenz? Bowles? 2. Centre back pairing - I can't fault North or Bowkes individually but for the second game running we've struggled at corners. Against City only Youngs good saves prevented goals, yesterday it cost us 2 points. Is this the right pairing? I'd bring Donachie back in for Bowles. 3. Forward partnership - Borrello and Mackaren are both kids learning their trade. Borrello is not a winger in my book so should we play both? I'd have Ricky start over Borrello.
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Waz wrote:lolitsbigmic wrote:crimsoncrusoe wrote:What to do about Petrat? Good on the ball ,but having given him a lot of time,it's clear he can't make a forward pass. I'm going to get brain damage from hitting my head every time he passes backwards ,when a potential forward raid in on. Time for Hevas or Lustica. McClaren and Borello are both works in progress.Each are too loose with everything they do.As much as I like youth having a chance to improve,I am convinced Roar have no chance to win the title if they are first choice. Compare them to what MV have and you can see the problem.
Edited by crimsoncrusoe: 29/11/2015 10:06:51 AM I think ricky should be starting over borello at the moment. Petrat doesn't deserve to be on the bench at the moment. Hevas must start, lustica and clut on the bench. The thing with petrat is that he can play across the front 3 and AM, which is makes him very versitle, but when you go specialist player options who have performed better. Is there a real need until they get injured or drop in form. It is clear in the last two games things are not working because the transition is to slow. Hevas and lustica always look for a forward pass and look to offload it quickly. That will make a difference. Jamie should always been starting, he scoring a goal every two games which is what a good striker can do. Borello needs some time off to focus on what he was doing but i do feel he improved in some things already. As per victory, there is so much funny buisness with there salaries, legal but still pushing the boundaries. Take away Kosta and bes they are not looking to great at the moment, FKB has been really down on form, finks been excellent but you can't win something with just him, taking set pieces. I'm going to disagree on Petratos, he's one of the most improved players this season and consistently one of the better performers over the last few games at least. There's three areas that I think need looking at: 1. Right back - for the second game in a row Hingert has been in trouble. Is he the best choice? Here I'm not sure what the solution is, Polenz? Bowles? 2. Centre back pairing - I can't fault North or Bowkes individually but for the second game running we've struggled at corners. Against City only Youngs good saves prevented goals, yesterday it cost us 2 points. Is this the right pairing? I'd bring Donachie back in for Bowles. 3. Forward partnership - Borrello and Mackaren are both kids learning their trade. Borrello is not a winger in my book so should we play both? I'd have Ricky start over Borrello. Borello and JMac do 2nd and 3rd most metres per game for us behind Matty. Both work their asses off. Borello is awesome tracking back, just dont think Hingert is up to it and its affecting BBs performances. Theo New RB-LDV-Donachie-New LB Hervas-Corona-McKay Borello-JMac-Thomas
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roary's mane wrote:Waz wrote:lolitsbigmic wrote:crimsoncrusoe wrote:What to do about Petrat? Good on the ball ,but having given him a lot of time,it's clear he can't make a forward pass. I'm going to get brain damage from hitting my head every time he passes backwards ,when a potential forward raid in on. Time for Hevas or Lustica. McClaren and Borello are both works in progress.Each are too loose with everything they do.As much as I like youth having a chance to improve,I am convinced Roar have no chance to win the title if they are first choice. Compare them to what MV have and you can see the problem.
Edited by crimsoncrusoe: 29/11/2015 10:06:51 AM I think ricky should be starting over borello at the moment. Petrat doesn't deserve to be on the bench at the moment. Hevas must start, lustica and clut on the bench. The thing with petrat is that he can play across the front 3 and AM, which is makes him very versitle, but when you go specialist player options who have performed better. Is there a real need until they get injured or drop in form. It is clear in the last two games things are not working because the transition is to slow. Hevas and lustica always look for a forward pass and look to offload it quickly. That will make a difference. Jamie should always been starting, he scoring a goal every two games which is what a good striker can do. Borello needs some time off to focus on what he was doing but i do feel he improved in some things already. As per victory, there is so much funny buisness with there salaries, legal but still pushing the boundaries. Take away Kosta and bes they are not looking to great at the moment, FKB has been really down on form, finks been excellent but you can't win something with just him, taking set pieces. I'm going to disagree on Petratos, he's one of the most improved players this season and consistently one of the better performers over the last few games at least. There's three areas that I think need looking at: 1. Right back - for the second game in a row Hingert has been in trouble. Is he the best choice? Here I'm not sure what the solution is, Polenz? Bowles? 2. Centre back pairing - I can't fault North or Bowkes individually but for the second game running we've struggled at corners. Against City only Youngs good saves prevented goals, yesterday it cost us 2 points. Is this the right pairing? I'd bring Donachie back in for Bowles. 3. Forward partnership - Borrello and Mackaren are both kids learning their trade. Borrello is not a winger in my book so should we play both? I'd have Ricky start over Borrello. Borello and JMac do 2nd and 3rd most metres per game for us behind Matty. Both work their asses off. Borello is awesome tracking back, just dont think Hingert is up to it and its affecting BBs performances. Theo New RB-LDV-Donachie-New LB Hervas-Corona-McKay Borello-JMac-Thomas
Bench: Ricky-Clut-Dimi-Bowles-Young Is what we nees to win the toilet seat after January. Can't argue with the meters run in a game; could live with that XI but would think about swaping Maclaren and Borrello over - more freedom for Naclaren and Borrello has pace and enough physical presence to trouble opponents back 2
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Good luck too JA. 2 frustrating games without a win. I hope being the kind soul he is that JA doesn't panic and start loosing games again.
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Waz wrote:lolitsbigmic wrote:crimsoncrusoe wrote:What to do about Petrat? Good on the ball ,but having given him a lot of time,it's clear he can't make a forward pass. I'm going to get brain damage from hitting my head every time he passes backwards ,when a potential forward raid in on. Time for Hevas or Lustica. McClaren and Borello are both works in progress.Each are too loose with everything they do.As much as I like youth having a chance to improve,I am convinced Roar have no chance to win the title if they are first choice. Compare them to what MV have and you can see the problem.
Edited by crimsoncrusoe: 29/11/2015 10:06:51 AM I think ricky should be starting over borello at the moment. Petrat doesn't deserve to be on the bench at the moment. Hevas must start, lustica and clut on the bench. The thing with petrat is that he can play across the front 3 and AM, which is makes him very versitle, but when you go specialist player options who have performed better. Is there a real need until they get injured or drop in form. It is clear in the last two games things are not working because the transition is to slow. Hevas and lustica always look for a forward pass and look to offload it quickly. That will make a difference. Jamie should always been starting, he scoring a goal every two games which is what a good striker can do. Borello needs some time off to focus on what he was doing but i do feel he improved in some things already. As per victory, there is so much funny buisness with there salaries, legal but still pushing the boundaries. Take away Kosta and bes they are not looking to great at the moment, FKB has been really down on form, finks been excellent but you can't win something with just him, taking set pieces. I'm going to disagree on Petratos, he's one of the most improved players this season and consistently one of the better performers over the last few games at least. There's three areas that I think need looking at: 1. Right back - for the second game in a row Hingert has been in trouble. Is he the best choice? Here I'm not sure what the solution is, Polenz? Bowles? 2. Centre back pairing - I can't fault North or Bowkes individually but for the second game running we've struggled at corners. Against City only Youngs good saves prevented goals, yesterday it cost us 2 points. Is this the right pairing? I'd bring Donachie back in for Bowles. 3. Forward partnership - Borrello and Mackaren are both kids learning their trade. Borrello is not a winger in my book so should we play both? I'd have Ricky start over Borrello. You have to watch Petrat on transition.He hates passing forward.Either he doesn't have the ability or has no confidence.But you can't get a quick counter attack if you pass him the ball from the back and he passes it back to you.That's it all over counter dead and buried. I remember one counter,the ball went to him,a player was free ahead on the right and he passed sideways to another player who then passed forward.Too late!. He is becoming Liam Miller. I know he at least has a shot at goal,but his conversin rate is poor and options are poor. Time for a rest for him to think or practice.
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crimsoncrusoe wrote:Waz wrote:lolitsbigmic wrote:crimsoncrusoe wrote:What to do about Petrat? Good on the ball ,but having given him a lot of time,it's clear he can't make a forward pass. I'm going to get brain damage from hitting my head every time he passes backwards ,when a potential forward raid in on. Time for Hevas or Lustica. McClaren and Borello are both works in progress.Each are too loose with everything they do.As much as I like youth having a chance to improve,I am convinced Roar have no chance to win the title if they are first choice. Compare them to what MV have and you can see the problem.
Edited by crimsoncrusoe: 29/11/2015 10:06:51 AM I think ricky should be starting over borello at the moment. Petrat doesn't deserve to be on the bench at the moment. Hevas must start, lustica and clut on the bench. The thing with petrat is that he can play across the front 3 and AM, which is makes him very versitle, but when you go specialist player options who have performed better. Is there a real need until they get injured or drop in form. It is clear in the last two games things are not working because the transition is to slow. Hevas and lustica always look for a forward pass and look to offload it quickly. That will make a difference. Jamie should always been starting, he scoring a goal every two games which is what a good striker can do. Borello needs some time off to focus on what he was doing but i do feel he improved in some things already. As per victory, there is so much funny buisness with there salaries, legal but still pushing the boundaries. Take away Kosta and bes they are not looking to great at the moment, FKB has been really down on form, finks been excellent but you can't win something with just him, taking set pieces. I'm going to disagree on Petratos, he's one of the most improved players this season and consistently one of the better performers over the last few games at least. There's three areas that I think need looking at: 1. Right back - for the second game in a row Hingert has been in trouble. Is he the best choice? Here I'm not sure what the solution is, Polenz? Bowles? 2. Centre back pairing - I can't fault North or Bowkes individually but for the second game running we've struggled at corners. Against City only Youngs good saves prevented goals, yesterday it cost us 2 points. Is this the right pairing? I'd bring Donachie back in for Bowles. 3. Forward partnership - Borrello and Mackaren are both kids learning their trade. Borrello is not a winger in my book so should we play both? I'd have Ricky start over Borrello. You have to watch Petrat on transition.He hates passing forward.Either he doesn't have the ability or has no confidence.But you can't get a quick counter attack if you pass him the ball from the back and he passes it back to you.That's it all over counter dead and buried. I remember one counter,the ball went to him,a player was free ahead on the right and he passed sideways to another player who then passed forward.Too late!. He is becoming Liam Miller. I know he at least has a shot at goal,but his conversin rate is poor and options are poor. Time for a rest for him to think or practice. Pet rat's become one of those players that many fans find it hard to be objective. The TV commentators are being very positive on him which is unusual plus there is enough in his general play to warrant his position I think (but many fans aren't seeing the good stuff only the bad - after the Perth game where he'd hit the post twice a bloke on the train home was cursing him because "he never shoots" and refused to believe pet rat had hit the woodwork twice). Certainly Aloisi has a reason for picking him as he's got at least three alternatives in Hervas, Clut and Lustica.
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Some good points Waz. Petratos does have some good points and some bad. I guess it's a matter of how you see them in context of the team even if he does hit the post (but doesn't score). JA sees his set up run better with him in it. Me personally wouldn't have him in this team with the type of players we have. Could be a good impact player when all else fails. But I can you he's no way as bad as Miller was who couldn't shoot or score for shits. It's all a matter of opinion such is football.
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I guess the other thing is as well is, why bring in a visa player to keep him on the bench or not even on the bench with polenz situation. You got to think Hervas will be starting soon and well polenz to be gone by January.
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lolitsbigmic wrote:I guess the other thing is as well is, why bring in a visa player to keep him on the bench or not even on the bench with polenz situation. You got to think Hervas will be starting soon and well polenz to be gone by January. I think you're right about Polenz and I'm not unhappy about that. Good point about Hervas but whilst he has shown some positive signs with his effort he gives me the impression he is still shy in bossing the midfield around and taking some level of ownership. New to the country, new to the squad etc may be a reason but you would think someone coming from a much more technical league he would be showing some better signs soon. I actually look forward to seeing him.
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lolitsbigmic wrote:I guess the other thing is as well is, why bring in a visa player to keep him on the bench or not even on the bench with polenz situation. You got to think Hervas will be starting soon and well polenz to be gone by January. Totally agree, Polenz is a good example of JA being tough in dealing with players that don't meet his standards. Not sure he'll go in Jan mind as he has 18 months on his contract. Hervas I like the look of but I'm not sure he's here for the long term? But come Saturday v Wanderers I'd like to see him start to beef up the midfield.
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Well one good thing about our schedule, all this crap with the fans and FFA should be over by the time we play our next home game :lol:
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paulc wrote:Well one good thing about our schedule, all this crap with the fans and FFA should be over by the time we play our next home game :lol: LOL and it will definitely help that the RBB are not showing up this weekend.
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lolitsbigmic wrote:paulc wrote:Well one good thing about our schedule, all this crap with the fans and FFA should be over by the time we play our next home game :lol: LOL and it will definitely help that the RBB are not showing up this weekend. Definitely. Hoping we can jag a draw, if not all three points. Will be a good match.
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BRFC_92 wrote:lolitsbigmic wrote:paulc wrote:Well one good thing about our schedule, all this crap with the fans and FFA should be over by the time we play our next home game :lol: LOL and it will definitely help that the RBB are not showing up this weekend. Definitely. Hoping we can jag a draw, if not all three points. Will be a good match. Really want 3. 3 draws on the trot is not good enough. with the cattle we got we should be won the last two games.
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miron mercedes
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paulc wrote:Well one good thing about our schedule, all this crap with the fans and FFA should be over by the time we play our next home game :lol: the whole A-League could be over by then...permanently
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miron mercedes wrote:paulc wrote:Well one good thing about our schedule, all this crap with the fans and FFA should be over by the time we play our next home game :lol: the whole A-League could be over by then...permanently 3 weeks tops?
In a resort somewhere
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