The Orange Army. (Brisbane Roar Official Thread)


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RECAP OF THE RSF FAN FORUM

Last night at the XXX Alehouse in the shadows of Suncorp Stadium the Roar Supporters Federation hosted their first forum of 2018 with returning Brisbane Roar Managing Director David Pourre the guest of honour.

Before I begin to recap the event, you can watch the video of the night here, and also listed to our exclusive chat with David following the event here.

On returning to the role:

The first question of the night was around his somewhat surprising decision to return to the club after the departure of Mark Kingsman, with Pourre outlining the first contact was made from the clubs ownership. David outlined the reasoning behind his decision to depart in the first place –owners putting the club in jeopardy once again following a restoration project- and he sought assurances there would be no repeat before agreeing to return.

On the A-League’s side struggles.
Unsurprisingly, Pourre was frustrated at the sides current predicament but outlined that the club remains positive of a positive outcome, with a maximum of 36 points still to play for and a belief within the playing group that they could achieve something.

On Head Coach John Aloisi and his future
David once again reiterated his public statement from last month where he publically backed the coach to remain in the job. Pourre also outlined the clubs situation at the time when Aloisi walked into the role, saying that what he’s achieved in the two years prior to this has given him a lot of credit with the owners.

He also went on to say that John is as frustrated and as disappointed as anyone over the results this season and that he’s the first to take responsibility for the clubs struggles this season in his role as the head of the Football Department.

While acknowledging that the fans have every right to be equally frustrated and hold whatever views they like surrounding the manager, the club wouldn’t be making any changes for the foreseeable future. Pourre also said that the playing group was still 100% behind the manager, and that it would be obvious to all observers if that wasn’t the case.

On Craig Moore’s role at the club
Craig is the Football Director of the club, with his roles including engaging in contract negotiation and construction in addition to dealing with travel logistics for all the clubs teams and providing counsel to the coaching staffs of each team. Pourre also outlined that Aloisi has the final say on all contract and transfer decisions, which are all approved by Pourre and the clubs owners provided they fit within the agreed budgets.

On club culture
While reluctant to discussion what happened in his time away from the role, Pourre did outline that there had been a tremendous turnover at the club and not everyone fully understood exactly what the meaning of Brisbane Roar was. To use David’s words, ‘were some of the way there, but not all of the way’. Pourre also said that he didn’t agree with the perception of a boys club culture infiltrating the Roar this season, outlining the success of the clubs W-League, Youth League and academy as things which wouldn’t be the case if such a culture existed.

On Injuries
Pourre was reluctant to talk about the changeover of medical teams in the off-season given it happened prior to his return, however last weeks arrivial of national team back-room staffers Craig Duncan and Les Gellis to oversee the entire high performance unit was welcome. Pourre described the duo as highly respected in the game given their histories and that he was awaiting their report before deciding upon further steps. He also said those findings would remaining behind closed doors for both competitive advantage reasons and also player privacy given the level of detail about injuries and the like.

On players and contracts
Pourre outlined the sheer number of players out of contract -145- and that discussions around who to retain and who to target for recruitment were currently underway amongst the Football Department. He was reticent to mention any names however.

David also discussed the January transfer window plans, outlining that for someone to arrive there would need to be a departure given they have a full roster. There was space left for a January arrival, however those plans were scuppered when Luke DeVere’s injury was revealed to be less serious than planned. Initially the club were looking at Ivan Franjic as an injury replacement, however the earlier than expected return of Devere saw the versatile right sided player take the allocated space for January.

The clubs discipline was also mentioned with Pourre calling it “uncharacteristic” to see so many issues this season. He also however stressed they would stand by the players as opposed to ‘throwing them under the bus’.

On the success of the W-League side this season
“They’re going well”. That was the rather modest assessment of Mel Andreatta’s sides return to the summit of the W-League table this season, before going on to say the appointment of Andreatta as coach of the women’s team was one of the best decisions the club has made due to her management of the team and the ideals she brings to the table.

The question of where the team should play came up once again, with Pourre admitting the crowds at Suncorp Stadium and the new active supporter group –The Roar Corps- added a great atmosphere to the games, however the club has a responsibility to make the team accessible to the entire women’s football community and it may be prudent to play more games at regional venues.

While not wanting to jinx anything, Pourre admitted there was a plan in place for any potential home finals –or Grand Final- and that Suncorp Stadium is not an option due to scheduling issues. Amongst the venues in the mix to host the games are Ballymore, QSAC and Perry Park.

On the Logan training precinct
The clubs much awaited home is still on track to be opened next month with works on the players facilities currently underway, while the playing surface was ready to go. Amongst those facilities will be dedicated lockers, a kit room, medical rooms, player lounges, a kitchen and dedicated rooms for meetings.

While the move is still on track as planned, Pourre outlined it would be imperative for the players to simply just ‘turn up and train’ on the first day, with the transition for the staff set to take place over the next month.

Pourre also shared an exchange between himself and John Aloisi back in 2015 about things the coach wanted for the club. “A home” was Aloisi’ response, with Pourre happy to hear that as he held a similar belief.

David also talked about the Logan City Council’s commitment to the game with the regional council investing $9million into the facility which will be shared by the Roar and Football Brisbane, with Brisbane Roar having a 10 year lease on the main field of the facility giving them sole access.

The question of the W-League side joining the men’s team at the base was suggested, with Pourre outlining the sides relationship with the current home venue in Fig Tree Pocket. While not excluding the possibility, he did mention the possibility of W-League and NYL games being held at the venue.

On the owners
Pourre outlined that to his knowledge the club was not for sale and there had been no legitimate discussions for a sale despite media reports suggesting otherwise in recent months. David also outlined just how much money the Bakrie Group have invested since purchasing a controlling interest back in 2011, with upwards of $19million stumped up by the clubs Indonesian owners to keep the club afloat. Pourre also outlined a loss of just under $4million for the 2017 financial year.

On the standard of refereeing
Pourre gave a real glimpse of the clubs frustrations over the standard of refereeing this year, both in terms of the on field referees and the much discussed VAR.

“My level of satisfaction is significantly diminished by refereeing of games, How many goals have been denied by linesman errors? I can count three. That’s pretty big. Im very disappointed”

Pourre was not interested in hearing any excuses on the matter, saying they needed both coaching and education before going on to outline that they don’t understand the ‘fiscal and emotional’ impact their decisions make on clubs and supporters alike.

When asked if the controversial VAR system would return next year, Pourre succinctly quipped “I hope not”, a response which got the largest round of applause of the night from those in attendance.

Miscellaneous
Just to wrap this up, a few dot points on other things to come out of the forum

– The club is spending upwards of 4million on the A-League squad this season, with only one or two clubs spending significantly more.

– Pourre outlined a plan to take pre-season games to the regions, similarly to the 2015-16 season when games were held on the Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast, Cleveland Showgrounds and at QSAC.

– The annual members photo will happen once again, with a date set aside for one of the two games in February.

– Pourre wanted to examine all options before confirming where the clubs ACL games would be played, with a range of factors including conflicts with the Commonwealth Games mentioned should they reach the Group Stage.

– Umbro will be returning as the clubs kit manufacturer for the next three seasons, with the original deal set to expire at the end of this season.

– On the issue of playing kits, Pourre also outlined that the club will go back to a more traditional orange and black look for next season, while the second and third kits are TBD. There will however be one ‘light’ option and one ‘dark’ option to ensure no clashes with rival clubs.

– Pourre was “very surprised” when made aware of the ticketing strategy for the FFA Cup game, outlining his belief that the game should be to engage the community and not a profit making exercise. He also made it clear the club takes the competition seriously despite exiting in the Round of 32 for three straight years, despite being a pre-season competition in his eyes.

– The club is limited in what they can do in terms of merchandise with FFA controlling the clubs brand and choosing which products to sell and who produces them.


https://theroarreview.wordpress.com/2018/01/11/recap-of-rsf-fan-forum-10-01-2018/


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All good points Clockwork. A good coach will resolve them lol
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@Waz not sure anymore what ‘action’ would even look like. Can’t even picture what our first 11 would look like. We have a left winger but no right. If Matty and Avraam are back, does Pepper miss our despite being consistently in our top few? Surely we can’t play TK, Pepper and Matty in midfield? Does Leck get another chance given his ‘MOTM’ performance?
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A lot of talk out of the club this week. Better be action to back it up in Newcastle
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Waz - 11 Jan 2018 8:57 AM
So they’re stuck with what they have with a seemingly high sale price of $20m being their escape clause. Whether anyone will pay that is very debatable, there is a credible rumour that there is an offer that’s close or matches that on the table with a decision due this month - whether that’s true or not we mere fans will never know ..... unless it goes ahead.

But if there’s one good thing to come out of this season it’s hopefully that the Bakries realise the consequences of their poor ownership are no sponsors so loss of revenue and poor team performance so loss of crowds and revenues .... maybe a $15m offer isn’t so bad faced with the alternatives?

Maybe the fact that so many players are off contract is actually a selling point? Clear out most of the players and rebuild immediately. 

Unlucky the coach isn't in the same situation.
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"Asked if he was disappointed with the way he was sent off in that match, McKay said: "Not really."

"That's kind of been a part of me my whole career - I'm an aggressive player, I like to get involved and still, I disagree with a lot of things that happen.

"Things get blown up a lot in Australia and also since some of the procedural changes have come in with the VAR.

Being aggressive is one thing, being a grub is another. 

I'd say kicking out at someone is not blowing things out of proportion, so nice to see the Captain making excuses for being dirty on the field.





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"I had a word to everyone yesterday at training about that myself," McKay told reporters on Thursday.

:laugh: Yea, you McKay, look in the mirror m8. 

"At the moment it's not happening so no-one can really walk into (football director Craig Moore's) office and demand a contract."

Yes the can, Jamie Young.





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  • Brisbane Roar's Matt McKay (Getty Images)
Brisbane Roar skipper Matt McKay admits a host of players at the struggling A-League club are fighting for their careers.
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11 JAN 2018 - 5:43 PM  UPDATED 1 HOUR AGO

Some of the club's biggest stars are coming off contract - including veteran midfielder McKay, who admitted none of them had a particularly good case for an extension given their current woes.

There are 19 players all up whose futures beyond this season are uncertain, with marquee Brett Holman, reigning club champion Corey Brown, imports Fahid Ben Khalfallah and Massimo Maccarone, utility Ivan Franjic and goalkeeper Jamie Young among them.

Some - like Maccarone, Holman and potentially even McKay - could retire, but others could have the decision made for them if their performances don't improve quickly.

"I had a word to everyone yesterday at training about that myself," McKay told reporters on Thursday.

"This is our job, so we want to perform at the best of our ability to continue doing our job.

"At the moment it's not happening so no-one can really walk into (football director Craig Moore's) office and demand a contract.

"We'll continually work hard and hopefully those results come and some players start to get resigned.

"But if not, then the club can change direction."

McKay and defender Avraam Papadopoulos will return from suspension for Friday night's away clash against high-flying Newcastle.

Papadopoulos has missed the last seven games for spitting at Sydney FC's Matt Simon while McKay has been out for two weeks after lashing out at Adelaide's Nikola Mileusnic following a challenge for the ball.

Asked if he was disappointed with the way he was sent off in that match, McKay said: "Not really."

"That's kind of been a part of me my whole career - I'm an aggressive player, I like to get involved and still, I disagree with a lot of things that happen.

"Things get blown up a lot in Australia and also since some of the procedural changes have come in with the VAR.

"I'm happy to be back now, I've served my time and I'm out to work hard for my team, the fans and the club."

The Roar have lost four of their last five matches, with all of those defeats coming at Suncorp Stadium.

Roar players fighting for contracts, McKay says | : The World Game

"you all need to improve" " i get sent off, deal with it"


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My best guestimate of how we ended up in this mess is this....

JA decided early on that he wanted to go three at the back?This may have been inspired by Ange and other national team people or by overseas coaches.
With three at the back it requires some clever players up the pitch to keep the ball and pile the pressure on the opposition.It does not require pace up front as much as long as the wing backs do all the work.
Based on this plan,JA gets in some skilful older players up front...Maccarrone, BKF and he had Holman.Then he wanted some back up players,hence Gameiro,Skapetis..then some youth..D'Agostino.
He thought McKay,Caletti would be able to do the running in modfield and Kristensen clean up the defensive work and send the passes forward.
Backline looked strong.Although the wing backs were a gamble with nothing better going around.
Preseason turns i to a disaster...three at the back keeps failing.injuries pile up amd the train wreck starts moving.
SOS goes out for more pace up front.Eric is hired.But cont het a visa.
With three at the back failing into the start of the season,all the back up plans are useless with old ,clever but slow and injured players.
Midfield is a disaster with Kristensen injured and McKay and Caletti not up to defensive work and poor at what they should be good at..passimg and going forward.
The squad is so frail ,half the team is not fit ,is changing each week and is playing catch up.All the time confidence is droppimg and losing is becoming normal.Standards drop all over the place.
While most other teams have a plan and are improving Roar is lost.No working plan with the players available nor the best players when fit.
Halfway point.........4mill spent.No room to improve the squad and no gumption to take the hard decsions and move players on and get new ones in.But more importantly no plan for playing style.So recruitment is pointless anyway.What players are needed amd what players should go can only be decided once you have a plan.
At the moment the plan is ...Just urge players to try harder.
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I had heard different but will take that on board
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Agree fully with most of what you’ve said. The playing group got where they are due to bad management either from the coaches, the administrators or most likely a combination of both. I believe new MD David Pourre now knows the main reasons that caused this and hopefully action follows

Aloisi has to toughen up and accept responsibility, even if it is “the players” as Moore indicated this week they are still his players, the ones he signed. So you’re accountable for them John - as you are for the 3-at-the-back debacle at the season start, the changes in medical support which seem to have cost you half a squad, and if the training pitch is “too hard” then get it watered or move somewhere else ffs

As for the Bakries, an annual loss of $3m remains nothing in the bigger scheme of things and there’s no way to get Roar to break even with the current stadium deal. Cut back on marquees and spend 90% of the cap as CCM did will get them playing in front of 7k crowds or less all the time - net result is they save money in one area but lose it in another.

So they’re stuck with what they have with a seemingly high sale price of $20m being their escape clause. Whether anyone will pay that is very debatable, there is a credible rumour that there is an offer that’s close or matches that on the table with a decision due this month - whether that’s true or not we mere fans will never know ..... unless it goes ahead.

But if there’s one good thing to come out of this season it’s hopefully that the Bakries realise the consequences of their poor ownership are no sponsors so loss of revenue and poor team performance so loss of crowds and revenues .... maybe a $15m offer isn’t so bad faced with the alternatives?
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@Mr B,A team doesn't go from the best to the equal worst due to bad luck,anymore than a company goes from super profitable to in massive debt.
It's bad management !
The latest outcry from management that players are at fault and need to lift is desperation.The players follow instructions from management.If the best management can do is tell players to lift then they have lost the plot.The players should be following a plan.If they follow it and lose to a better team then the players aren't good enough for the plan or the plan isn't good enough.Either way its still management at fault for losses.They picked the players and the plan.That's their job.If they cant get the combination right then its goodbye management(JA).
4mill for a team that will likley finish last is not good enough under any circumstances.It's JA 's team for the first time.
How could anyone have faith that the same guy that finishes last this year(WP look more potent ) ,can get recruitment and a new plan right for next year,when both failed miserably this year?It just doesn't happen in football.Normally you get the boot and try and reinvent yourself
Will the owners sink another 4mill into a new team selected and coached by JA?.That's the big question.
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Moore reports in to Aloisi. Aloisi and Moore aren’t great mates, Kingsman and Moore though are best mates, Kingsman and Aloisi didn’t see eye to eye. Make what you will of all that.
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From inside word I have heard of this 'mates club' at the Roar too. Aloisi and Moore are very tight too so unless the powers above remove one of them or both I'd be pretty sure in saying Teflon John is here to stay for at least until his contract ends.
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MrBrisbane - 10 Jan 2018 10:06 PM
miron mercedes - 10 Jan 2018 10:02 PM

Professional video game league, Fifa 18 etc,

Clubs sponsor players to represent them.

Would be really interesting if FIFA gameplay wasn't complete shit.
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miron mercedes - 10 Jan 2018 10:02 PM
Waz - 10 Jan 2018 9:51 PM

what is E league ?

Professional video game league, Fifa 18 etc,

Clubs sponsor players to represent them.



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Waz - 10 Jan 2018 9:51 PM
E League seen as massive commercial opportunity for football generally.

what is E league ?

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E League seen as massive commercial opportunity for football generally.
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Forum still going. Bonus questions to go with mini burgers and chips 😎
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Damn, I must have missed these questions, unless they haven't been asked yet. 

This are lot of rumour about Craig Moore’s involvement in private player management and creating a “mates” club. He has been sacked before? Why? Can you clarify?

John Aloisi has been with BRFC for three years now, today it is obvious we have gone backwards and are light years behind SFC. How long do you back Aloisi for?

The product on display is poor, everyone can see it, why cant the higher ups take the criticism the fans give?

Do you have the courage and conviction to do what’s right to make this club challenge for the title or are you just another person content to draw a pay cheque?

The roar have gone from the highest football standard in the country, to the worst run team in all Australia. Why?

Is there a plan for turning around the abysmal performance this season and if so what is that plan and when shall we see it implemented?




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Waz - 10 Jan 2018 9:36 PM
@ Mr BPresubmitted questions first. Now being picked off FB and slido.com - the bloke you keep seeing on the right of the screen is handing over new questions. go to slido.com and enter #F891 to see the submitted questions

Cheers.



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Presubmitted questions first.

Now being picked off FB and slido.com - the bloke you keep seeing on the right of the screen is handing over new questions.

go to slido.com and enter #F891 to see the submitted questions
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LOL The season is not over apparently, 36 points coming to Roar lads.



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Devere injury mis-diagnosed- was meant to be 3 months+ according to Medics but turned into 4 weeks. Franjic signed taking last roster position so no room for January signings
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Were all the questions sent in from fans before hand or are these picked out live from the facebook page?



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Waz - 10 Jan 2018 9:21 PM
Umbro will be kit supplier for next three years. Club going back to traditional kits - Orange shirts and Black shorts next season.

Thank god. Orange and White are terrible. Do love the maroon 3rd kit. 
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Umbro will be kit supplier for next three years.

Club going back to traditional kits - Orange shirts and Black shorts next season.
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A-League Memes is it true Nelly Yoa is having a trial at Roar?

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