:lol:

Obviously, you don't know stakeholders involved with Football Fed Tas, NPL clubs, country clubs, junior associations and migrant associations in Tasmania.

Hi decentric, I've had a look around and apparently your coaching career has been in charge of an underage girls team in Tassie? is that correct?

From my understanding, no. But I could be wrong. I haven't read the various updates.

I have been under the tutelage of one of the national FFA Skills Acquisition Program
curriculum writers. He has coached his SAP players to do shoulder feints and other specific 1v1 attacking moves though. I've also imparted these as well as innumerable others, but I'm not sure what should be the norm.

Does he still practise the more complex manoeuvres? If he doesn't practise them, those skills will dry up between the age of 14 and as he gets older. It's sort of true that often the more simple feints are the most effective, and obviously at the highest level you get guys like Lionel Messi, who rely on such things. But the thing is that the way football is going, a heck of a lot of players use things like step-overs and really sharp turns. Even if you don't use them that much in game situations, if you practise them and occasionally throw one in in a game situation, it's enormously beneficial. I tend to think that unless a player has the speed and close control of Messi, Robben, Hazard or Henry, the simple stuff won't suffice at the highest level. It sounds like a contradiction in terms to say that less capable players than Messi need to rely upon more complex maneouvres than Messi, but I feel it is the case.

Step-overs can be mightily hard to do at speed. A lot of people can do them standing still or they do them with their feet coming too far off the ground. It's rather difficult to do them, while running at +80% pace and keeping your feet close to the ball and on the ground.

It doesn't seem like many people in the A-League have such skills and as a result, our strikers are fairly average. I suppose it's not just that they lack the complex manoeuvres, they also lack the speed combined with the close control. But I reckon our strikers would do a lot better overseas if they had better ball control and could use 1 vs 1 maneouvres as they pleased.

Does this mean that the National Curriculum does not include any specific maneouvres designed for 1 vs 1 situations?

A technical dribbler is ADP.

He has little speed now, but combines so many dribbling techniques so fluently.

I'm just going to bump this.

Unfortunately some of the videos have disappeared, including Iniesta's La Croqueta move. I was hoping to show Krones.

Some British wingers in days gone by, like John Aston, who played in Manchester United's 1968 European Cup winning side, used to "dribble" like that as well. No close control atall, but just pushed the ball forward and went like a bat out of hell:lol:

:lol: i reckon. i used to watch him dribble in disbelief - at no time did he look like he had a handle on the ball, nor an idea of where he wanted to go, but still ran through the opposition so easily.

There are physical dribblers and technical dribblers you will know who is which type when you observe.

:lol:

Stan simply used to push the ball forward and run after it as fast as he could.. surging past anyone who stood in his way.

Maybe that is called an Anti-Matthew's Cut, or something:lol:

just found this thread

has anyone ever broken down the dribbling style of stan lazaridis?

all this talk about dribbling, and not one mention of Zuti Prosinecki. ](*,) :roll:

http://www.soccer-training-info.com/master_technique_1v1_feints.asp


To progress this, I'd add doing it on the non-preferred foot. All these guys are doing it on their right side.

I haven't done it on the training track yet. Another option might be to change the direction going around the circle/triangle, to focus on the left side. I don't know I have't done it yet on the training ground, but the left side needs attention.

If a player can do this shoulder feint on both sides of the body, with optimum distancing against an opponent, other evasion techniques are a bonus .







Edited by Decentric: 31/5/2013 11:02:23 AM

http://www.soccer-training-info.com/master_technique_1v1_feints.asp



In terms of getting more touches, this may be a variation on something I do in lines, but a player gains more touches in this Coerver exercise in the video. Three players have the ball, whilst one does a form of passive defending.

Alf Galustian's Coerver videos are always well presented. There are a lot more of them in Andy J's 442 Performance Section, a sticky at the top of this page.

This is the fundamental shoulder feint or body swerve. It is the first move in one's repertoire for dribbling around players. Once a player has this technique on both sides of the body, others can be added.

Edited by Decentric: 30/5/2013 10:25:44 PM

more tools in the tradies bag............. the better.

Bumping this as a coaching tool for coaches.

This has been something I've thought recently. Probably arrived at this opinion from using the FFA pushing that everything on the park should come from game observation. Spent too much time in the past coaching tricks.

Look, decentric, when a thread dies there's no need to create another account (multi) to breath life into it.

That's grossly immature.

Welcome to the forum.

This sad lunatic seems to think every poster who disagrees with him must be me.

Go Chips.](*,)

Decentric and his multis. :lol:

Some really good stuff here. Think this is an area which has been neglected in Australia in soccer coaching.

Thanks for the welcome Decentric :)

Good post.=d>

ATM the focus from FFA isn't to teach explicit moves.

Yet the Skills Acquisition program used Alf Galustian, world head of Coerver, to act as an advisor to formulate FFA SAP curriculum. Coerver teacher explicit moves.

If I haven't said it before, Stackerjam, welcome to the forum.:)

Edited by Decentric: 3/1/2013 04:58:39 PM

Some really good dribbling observations here. Especially that article Dirk.

I always incorporate some dribbling and 1v1 moves/skills when coaching kids. I thinks it's important for a coach to take the time and educate his young charges in these areas. As Decentric said, you start slow and explain the moves step by step. But just as important is to explain how they work in a real game, where they can/can't be employed and making sure the kid gets the basic skill under their belt. It's always enjoyable to see how confident a child becomes when they learn a few moves and can use them effectively.

It's also interesting to see which skills kids become comfortable with ove time. My son learnt all sorts of fancy stuff when he was younger but now (he's 14) I notice he uses basic feints and simple, but deceptive body moves/swerves to beat opponents. He can do the fancy stuff but he doesn't need it. It's a bit like learning to play an instrument. You learn all sorts of different scales, modes, riffs and tunes to help build skill, but you only use the stuff you really need when playing a piece.

Good article, Dirk.

Here is the view from John Cartwright on dribbling today with 2 points important points highlighted.

http://keeptheball.wordpress.com/2012/12/16/dribbling/#more-1010

Dribbling
Posted on December 16, 2012 by Admin
By John Cartwright
What does Dribbling represent to you? Is it the use of nimble footwork — is it the ‘bogus’ use of feints with various parts of the body – or is it running with the ball followed by changes of direction…….. or is it something else? All of the aforementioned can be described as dribbling but what must be emphasized when discussing this important skill is……..which of those dribbling methods causes most problems to a defender and his supporting players? [size=9]In my opinion it is the skill of running with the ball with changes of direction.[/size]It is time to delegate the long over-visualized ‘picture’ of the ‘Dribbler’ to the dustbin. The fixation about dribbling that relates to over-complicated and generally unnecessary feints and fancy footwork should be cast aside. Oh yes, there are the occasional times in a season in which a player extricates him/herself from a tight situation that is pleasing on the eye, but these rarities are so inconsequential in general play that time spent learning a multitude of tricks etc. is time mis-spent.
When I was a youngster playing football in the street or in the school playground where space was limited it taught me the [size=9]importance of running with the ball ACROSS defenders and not taking the ball AT them………. Lionel Messi, is the modern exhibitor of this dribbling skill.[/size] When confronted by an opponent an attacking player must attempt to move him in order to go past him. Going directly at an opponent simply sends him backwards amongst additional supporting colleagues thus lessening the possibilities for the attacker. Good defenders have acquired better defensive qualities than their counterparts in years gone by; they have much improved athletic ability and more tactical appreciation of their defensive roles. Defenders today concentrate more on the ball rather than be distracted by feint plays and in so doing they have acquired the ability to ‘guide’ attackers thus becoming a ‘dictator’ to them. More than any feint play it is the movement of the ball that will move a defender. When an attacker takes the ball ACROSS a defender that defender is forced to move accordingly. The movement ACROSS a defender as opposed to a movement AT a defender produces two immediate problems for the defender; his balance is affected; and he leaves space as he vacates one area and is moved into another area on the field……. the attacker now ‘dictates’ to the defender. The attacking player, now ‘in the driving seat’, must maximise the advantage he/she has achieved. The skill of running with the ball and ‘screening’ it from an opponent must be used to restrict a tackle from being made. Equally important, the attacker must be aware of the space he/she is from the opposing player. This space awareness allows an attacker to make decisions whether to accelerate past the opponent or change direction quickly and turn back before the opponent can recover.
Many playing alternatives become available to an attacker and his team if movements ACROSS defenders are used. As already mentioned, the balance of an opponent is affected and this provides an attacking player with several options to use; a defender can be ‘nut-megged’ far easier as he/she are forced to move across than if attacked in a direct way — space from which a defender is drawn away from can be filled by supporting players of the attacking team — plus there are numerous combination plays such as ‘take-overs’ – ‘wall passes’ – ‘overlaps’ – and ‘set-up passes’ to be used.

The game has moved on from the days of Sir Stanley Matthews, the original ‘Wizard of the dribble’. Defenders have become better athletes and are more tactically aware. We must continue to consider dribbling as an important part of the game and encourage young players to develop the ability to beat opponents and link other playing alternatives to their dribbling skill. But in order to make this happen we must change our perception of dribbling and the way it is introduced to future generations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbT3m4w4AL0


Andres Iniesta demonstrates this move.

1. To coach it , it involves having players doing a stationary tap tap with the inside of the left foot to the right foot repeatedly.

2. As players become more proficient, they can do it moving forwards , with the ball moving from foot to foot diagonally. Then the La Croqueta comes from here.

http://www.soccer-training-info.com/master_technique_1v1_feints.asp

I've just found this Coerver drill for the shoulder feint or body swerve. Coaches can see what it looks like in the video.

If one analyses most of the players in the dribbling compilation, the shoulder feint is the most common move. It seems the easiest of the deception moves, where little can go wrong.

This is probably the most widely deployed deception move in world football. I was shown it at about 10 years of age.

Cruyff and Messi use it a lot.

Edited by Decentric: 29/10/2012 09:58:10 PM