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localstar wrote:pv4 wrote:just found this thread
has anyone ever broken down the dribbling style of stan lazaridis? :lol: Stan simply used to push the ball forward and run after it as fast as he could.. surging past anyone who stood in his way. Maybe that is called an Anti-Matthew's Cut, or something:lol: :lol: i reckon. i used to watch him dribble in disbelief - at no time did he look like he had a handle on the ball, nor an idea of where he wanted to go, but still ran through the opposition so easily.
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localstar
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Some British wingers in days gone by, like John Aston, who played in Manchester United's 1968 European Cup winning side, used to "dribble" like that as well. No close control atall, but just pushed the ball forward and went like a bat out of hell:lol:
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Decentric
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I'm just going to bump this.
Unfortunately some of the videos have disappeared, including Iniesta's La Croqueta move. I was hoping to show Krones.
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Decentric
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dirkvanadidas wrote:There are physical dribblers and technical dribblers you will know who is which type when you observe. A technical dribbler is ADP. He has little speed now, but combines so many dribbling techniques so fluently.
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Decentric wrote:Stackerjam wrote:Some really good dribbling observations here. Especially that article Dirk.
I always incorporate some dribbling and 1v1 moves/skills when coaching kids. I thinks it's important for a coach to take the time and educate his young charges in these areas. As Decentric said, you start slow and explain the moves step by step. But just as important is to explain how they work in a real game, where they can/can't be employed and making sure the kid gets the basic skill under their belt. It's always enjoyable to see how confident a child becomes when they learn a few moves and can use them effectively.
It's also interesting to see which skills kids become comfortable with ove time. My son learnt all sorts of fancy stuff when he was younger but now (he's 14) I notice he uses basic feints and simple, but deceptive body moves/swerves to beat opponents. He can do the fancy stuff but he doesn't need it. It's a bit like learning to play an instrument. You learn all sorts of different scales, modes, riffs and tunes to help build skill, but you only use the stuff you really need when playing a piece. Good post.=d> ATM the focus from FFA isn't to teach explicit moves. Yet the Skills Acquisition program used Alf Galustian, world head of Coerver, to act as an advisor to formulate FFA SAP curriculum. Coerver teacher explicit moves. If I haven't said it before, Stackerjam, welcome to the forum.:) Edited by Decentric: 3/1/2013 04:58:39 PM Does this mean that the National Curriculum does not include any specific maneouvres designed for 1 vs 1 situations?
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quickflick
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Stackerjam wrote:Some really good dribbling observations here. Especially that article Dirk.
I always incorporate some dribbling and 1v1 moves/skills when coaching kids. I thinks it's important for a coach to take the time and educate his young charges in these areas. As Decentric said, you start slow and explain the moves step by step. But just as important is to explain how they work in a real game, where they can/can't be employed and making sure the kid gets the basic skill under their belt. It's always enjoyable to see how confident a child becomes when they learn a few moves and can use them effectively.
It's also interesting to see which skills kids become comfortable with ove time. My son learnt all sorts of fancy stuff when he was younger but now (he's 14) I notice he uses basic feints and simple, but deceptive body moves/swerves to beat opponents. He can do the fancy stuff but he doesn't need it. It's a bit like learning to play an instrument. You learn all sorts of different scales, modes, riffs and tunes to help build skill, but you only use the stuff you really need when playing a piece. Does he still practise the more complex manoeuvres? If he doesn't practise them, those skills will dry up between the age of 14 and as he gets older. It's sort of true that often the more simple feints are the most effective, and obviously at the highest level you get guys like Lionel Messi, who rely on such things. But the thing is that the way football is going, a heck of a lot of players use things like step-overs and really sharp turns. Even if you don't use them that much in game situations, if you practise them and occasionally throw one in in a game situation, it's enormously beneficial. I tend to think that unless a player has the speed and close control of Messi, Robben, Hazard or Henry, the simple stuff won't suffice at the highest level. It sounds like a contradiction in terms to say that less capable players than Messi need to rely upon more complex maneouvres than Messi, but I feel it is the case. Step-overs can be mightily hard to do at speed. A lot of people can do them standing still or they do them with their feet coming too far off the ground. It's rather difficult to do them, while running at +80% pace and keeping your feet close to the ball and on the ground. It doesn't seem like many people in the A-League have such skills and as a result, our strikers are fairly average. I suppose it's not just that they lack the complex manoeuvres, they also lack the speed combined with the close control. But I reckon our strikers would do a lot better overseas if they had better ball control and could use 1 vs 1 maneouvres as they pleased.
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Decentric
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quickflick wrote:Decentric wrote:Stackerjam wrote:Some really good dribbling observations here. Especially that article Dirk.
I always incorporate some dribbling and 1v1 moves/skills when coaching kids. I thinks it's important for a coach to take the time and educate his young charges in these areas. As Decentric said, you start slow and explain the moves step by step. But just as important is to explain how they work in a real game, where they can/can't be employed and making sure the kid gets the basic skill under their belt. It's always enjoyable to see how confident a child becomes when they learn a few moves and can use them effectively.
It's also interesting to see which skills kids become comfortable with ove time. My son learnt all sorts of fancy stuff when he was younger but now (he's 14) I notice he uses basic feints and simple, but deceptive body moves/swerves to beat opponents. He can do the fancy stuff but he doesn't need it. It's a bit like learning to play an instrument. You learn all sorts of different scales, modes, riffs and tunes to help build skill, but you only use the stuff you really need when playing a piece. Good post.=d> ATM the focus from FFA isn't to teach explicit moves. Yet the Skills Acquisition program used Alf Galustian, world head of Coerver, to act as an advisor to formulate FFA SAP curriculum. Coerver teacher explicit moves. If I haven't said it before, Stackerjam, welcome to the forum.:) Edited by Decentric: 3/1/2013 04:58:39 PM Does this mean that the National Curriculum does not include any specific maneouvres designed for 1 vs 1 situations? From my understanding, no. But I could be wrong. I haven't read the various updates. I have been under the tutelage of one of the national FFA Skills Acquisition Program curriculum writers. He has coached his SAP players to do shoulder feints and other specific 1v1 attacking moves though. I've also imparted these as well as innumerable others, but I'm not sure what should be the norm.
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Hi decentric, I've had a look around and apparently your coaching career has been in charge of an underage girls team in Tassie? is that correct?
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Decentric
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one_toouch wrote:Hi decentric, I've had a look around and apparently your coaching career has been in charge of an underage girls team in Tassie? is that correct? :lol: Obviously, you don't know stakeholders involved with Football Fed Tas, NPL clubs, country clubs, junior associations and migrant associations in Tasmania.
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