Great! Thank you

Sorry i dont know why i doesnt work.

But hear is the transcript regarding changes to SAP next year:

Thanks for the reply Barca, absolutely brilliant on behalf of NSW .... now hoping VIC will introduce sooner rather than later

Edit: Barca, I cant open that link for some reason?

Edited by juniorcoach: 4/9/2015 04:20:58 PM

No worries, welcome to the forum! :)

As regards to SSGs i hearing in NSW next year that the under 12s will be now part of the SAP Program which was originally a program for kids ranging from under 9s to 11s but from next year SAP will be increased to under 12s and 11v11 will now start from under 13s instead.

So it means another year of 9v9s at under 12 level, i'm not sure what the other states are doing next year when it comes to SAP also, but SAP and the SSGs are related based on age and pitch size.

Here is the full document explaining everything.

http://www.filedropper.com/29052015-fnsw2016menscompreviewfinalresolution

Wow great post! Sorry to drag up such an old thread, but I registered just so that I could reply!
I am going through this transition as we speak. We have some parents that want their kids to skip under 11 completely and head straight to full pitch next season!! I watched a lot of under 12 football this season and it was of a very poor standard. I believe the size of the pitch had a part to play in this also. I'm shocked FFA haven't adjusted under 12s to a 9v9 format with smaller field but heard it a logistical issue. Would love to hear if anyone has any updates on this. I'm one who fully supports SSG and the advantages it has for a young childs development!

Unfortunately, running becomes too significant on big pitches for young players.

Interesting what is happening in Spain, and at Barcelona and Roar.

Forward thinking from your club, Nearpost.:)

GA, you know I won't be satisfied until we can pump out Patafta's with monotonous regularity.

take your daughter to england as thats what they will be doing for all female teams.

Good work with the small sized full sized pitches. (It does make sense.)

Unfortunately we have only one main field and it's the biggest size it can be for the seniors. Of course when the 12 year olds play on it it looks waaay too big for them.

It's good that your club is taking the initiative with regards to this because despite other peanut's opinions to the contrary the evidence is in.

Spanish youth players to play on a reduced size field up until the ages of 16, Barcelona train 11 v 11 on a half size pitch and Brisbane Roar to play 11 v 11 on a reduced size pitch from 18 yard to 18 yard box but what would they know?

If we're going to follow anyone why not follow the countries with a track record.

:lol: Good to see you have your sense of humor back Chips!

Nutshell.

Ah but I'll be sure to look out for those 15 year olds exclusivley playing SSG's in future gens of Joeys.:lol:

Don't be so rational fellas, we all know that if they haven't been identified by the time they have reached the second trimester you are pushing soft smelly stuff up a hill ;)

Our Club has been lucky in that we have six pitches available to us. Four are full size and two are minimum size to accomadate U12 to U15 teams. Works for us.

It's interesting that not only are 13-14yo "dropping out" but how many here in Victoria are "filtered out" that is the biggest crime.
All based on a preconceived notion of what WE beleive a player needs to be able to do TODAY. While all the research in education and sport science tells us that cognitive, psychological and physical skill develop at different rates in young people. What becomes important is what they can do TOMORROW as adults.

Fair point Munrubenmuz.

We're going to put all our 12, 13 14 and 15 age groups on smallest full sized fields next year...if that makes sense. Some pitches are huge for our 12 and 13 in particular. The idea you suggest might work even better but very hard to sell to community in any club.)

Same logic for all age groups 12- 15 put them on the smallest fields - we're lucky we have options.
- they have to work their feet and skills harder, can only reinforce the technical skills we're aiming to improve from 6-12.

Putting them on the biggest fields makes no sense. Players don't even run as far. People think you run more on a bigger pitch but the reality is in junior football players NEVER overlap from 2 or 5 position or move back from 7 and 11 as pitch is too big.

No-one's commenting in local football organisation that we are doing the wrong or the right thing - seems given the fields they use for U12 girls and boys to play rep games, they've never thought about it.

Needs to be a tie-in with SSG logic - we ain't gonna die wondering or waiting for our loca football organisation to assist.

A mate at another club has been setting the pitch size for older kids for years. Better games, players closer to the ball so working harder, improving technique and fitness. Makes sense.

Don't mean to be a pain in the arse here but is there any chance we could discuss the thread subject?

It wouldn't matter what you post up, he's going to disagree with you no matter what so why bother?

Personally I'd like to see 15 year olds play 9 vs 9 on a small sided field. (Main field split in 2. Games played perpendicular to main field.) The advantages would be as stated in the initial post.

Chips - you were never going to win the cigar on this one - why you so blinkered on football in Australia?

- get out and watch the game at grassroots level - developing all our players might not lead to lots of more players ready for Socceroo level - (didn't think i had to start your football education at step 1) but if you want to develop Aussie "sokah culture" you could do a lot worse than developing all our players to a far better technical standard.

Seems you've lived in Australia all your life - or maybe you a pom:)

You win the cigar.

Hopefully NP gets the gist of this.

:lol: none is the answer Chips :lol:

Dunno, you tell me which state where sockah is número uno?

In which state ;)

Perhaps in another 20 years you might threaten to get a grip on Aussie sockah kulcha.

You assume a lot about a lot and mostly you are wrong:) Been here 20 years.
How about you, do you have a background in playing, developing players, or just an observer of the Socceroos?

Seems like your not across current player development issues.

I'm assuming by your comment you haven't been in straya long, yes?

Fair points made, good post, Near Post.=d>

You seem to have a limited view of football and it's role.

I don't think "no one gives a rats about perceived tech quality of park football - nor should they. You clearly haven't been in dressing rooms overseas, played in the local park and listened to how people talk about the game they are involved in.

Also if we have all aussie young kids playing football at some stage between 5-10 - or a heap of them - don't you think the FFA, the Clubs, and we the football community have some kind of responsibility to show/assist our young people how to play the game. And players of all ages and levels will get more fun from the game if they have a better technique.

No brainer - and why pursue anything if you are crap. Most will give us asap.

I'd argue a nations football pedigree is actually carved from the way people play, talk and analyse the game at all levels. Sure International performances and top tier is where we see the game, the style a nation plays but if it doesn't translate down to or up from the youngest of our kids - what's the point.

Think Japan.

How does their national team play, men and womens?

Do you think there would be a mis-match between national team and 8 year old boys/girls community players. Bet the styles are much more closely aligned in parent thinking, player thinking, (age adjusted of course.)

Bet the Aussie mis-match is much bigger.

Brought FFT Mag of this months edition and read though the interview with Han Berger it was really good, very informative and gives everyone a clear idea on what the FFA plans are in terms of youth development, well done FFT!

The example given (see above) was for 13 and 14 year old community players.

If you believe they are in the mix for future top tier club and national teams then you have clearly NFI about the realities of football development.

Can't say this surprises me. :lol:

Stop talking sense GA. I typed a response and then wiped it. It's not worth it.

Why do you persist in ignoring that numbers is important?
1% of 100,000 is 1,000
1% of 1,000,000 is 10,000
If only the top 1% of participants are going to be any good wouldn't you prefer to have more of them?
The cream that is at the top is not a fixed number, if you increase participation rates by 10 times then you will have a larger pool of elite and potentially elite players. To suggest that you will only ever have the same number of elite players no matter how many participants you have is folly, and I don't think you are usually one given to folly.