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f1worldchamp wrote:notorganic wrote:f1worldchamp wrote:notorganic wrote:Constantly posting links to Mudoch articles that don't answer the questions I'm asking really doesn't further the discussion. Just keep going on your merry way, convinced everthing this government does is gold and ignoring all presented examples to the contrary.... Erm, perhaps read the last page where I was critical of the government for cutting tertiary funding? Nothing you have posted points at fault with the government, rather than dodgy builders not dispersing funds. Edited by notorganic: 13/6/2013 06:13:05 PM You have called the BER program 'highly successful', which is clearly isn't. So whose responsibility is it to oversee the dodgy builders? The government initiates the program, then just walks away and leaves them to it but it's failure isn't the governments fault? They have no responsibility to oversee the correct use of taxpayer funds at all? Are you serious? It was certainly clearly successful as a whole. I suggest you read the ANAO audit of the program rather than continuing to sprout un/half truths without really understanding the data. This is a good breakdown, it even has pretty graphs. http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/2010/05/anao-report-on-ber-fact-meets-narrative.html
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notorganic wrote:f1worldchamp wrote:notorganic wrote:f1worldchamp wrote:notorganic wrote:Constantly posting links to Mudoch articles that don't answer the questions I'm asking really doesn't further the discussion. Just keep going on your merry way, convinced everthing this government does is gold and ignoring all presented examples to the contrary.... Erm, perhaps read the last page where I was critical of the government for cutting tertiary funding? Nothing you have posted points at fault with the government, rather than dodgy builders not dispersing funds. Edited by notorganic: 13/6/2013 06:13:05 PM You have called the BER program 'highly successful', which is clearly isn't. So whose responsibility is it to oversee the dodgy builders? The government initiates the program, then just walks away and leaves them to it but it's failure isn't the governments fault? They have no responsibility to oversee the correct use of taxpayer funds at all? Are you serious? It was certainly clearly successful as a whole. I suggest you read the ANAO audit of the program rather than continuing to sprout un/half truths without really understanding the data. This is a good breakdown, it even has pretty graphs. http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/2010/05/anao-report-on-ber-fact-meets-narrative.html oh yes an audit carried out by a company probably commissioned by guess who...... yes there were certainly some good outcomes in the BER, but once again EVERYTHING this government does they do without the appropriate due diligence, as your seeing in the NBN, just like the deaths in the insulation scheme and the waste is sickening, and she is on nearly 1/2 a million a year...LOL you have to be kidding me.........
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batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:f1worldchamp wrote:notorganic wrote:Constantly posting links to Mudoch articles that don't answer the questions I'm asking really doesn't further the discussion. Just keep going on your merry way, convinced everthing this government does is gold and ignoring all presented examples to the contrary.... Erm, perhaps read the last page where I was critical of the government for cutting tertiary funding? Nothing you have posted points at fault with the government, rather than dodgy builders not dispersing funds. Edited by notorganic: 13/6/2013 06:13:05 PM i can't say i have ever come across a more pig headed person then Matt Morris.....](*,) ](*,) ](*,) another of your conclusions..."dodgey builder" get a grip they are a trusted company that i have worked with for 20 years, they have never squibbed on my account and have always been open and transparent, neither of us did anything wrong, the BER was a sham and plenty of people were fucked over....if you choose to pretend that's not the case well so be it.... but don't start your shit by trying to discredit what anyone else who has experienced it.... maybe in you limited comprehension it's all as pure as the driven snow but i have been there and you are completely wrong about the BER and the solar scheme and very soon the NBN will run right off the rails as it already had started to disrail........keep dreaming Matt....](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) So many assertions & anecdotes, so few facts.
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notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:f1worldchamp wrote:notorganic wrote:Constantly posting links to Mudoch articles that don't answer the questions I'm asking really doesn't further the discussion. Just keep going on your merry way, convinced everthing this government does is gold and ignoring all presented examples to the contrary.... Erm, perhaps read the last page where I was critical of the government for cutting tertiary funding? Nothing you have posted points at fault with the government, rather than dodgy builders not dispersing funds. Edited by notorganic: 13/6/2013 06:13:05 PM i can't say i have ever come across a more pig headed person then Matt Morris.....](*,) ](*,) ](*,) another of your conclusions..."dodgey builder" get a grip they are a trusted company that i have worked with for 20 years, they have never squibbed on my account and have always been open and transparent, neither of us did anything wrong, the BER was a sham and plenty of people were fucked over....if you choose to pretend that's not the case well so be it.... but don't start your shit by trying to discredit what anyone else who has experienced it.... maybe in you limited comprehension it's all as pure as the driven snow but i have been there and you are completely wrong about the BER and the solar scheme and very soon the NBN will run right off the rails as it already had started to disrail........keep dreaming Matt....](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) So many assertions & anecdotes, so few facts. that's exactly the opinion i have of you and your comments.......you havent convinced anyone that your info is correct.......and i will stick with my first hand experience of both the BER, the solar fiasco but hey princess keep those rose coloured glasses clean...your taxes will be paying for the taxes,waste and debt while i sit back and enjoy retirement..........:cool: :cool: :cool:
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The dodgy builders are the 'free market' in operation.
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macktheknife wrote:The dodgy builders are the 'free market' in operation. Well said comrade. Nationalise the building industry!! Instead let's set up the Ministry of Building. I nominate Comrade Garrett to take charge. Edited by thupercoach: 13/6/2013 09:38:31 PM
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thupercoach wrote:macktheknife wrote:The dodgy builders are the 'free market' in operation. Well said comrade. Nationalise the building industry!! Instead let's set up the Ministry of Building. I nominate Comrade Garrett to take charge. Yeah, because that worked out so well for the Dockers and Painters.
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afromanGT wrote:thupercoach wrote:macktheknife wrote:The dodgy builders are the 'free market' in operation. Well said comrade. Nationalise the building industry!! Instead let's set up the Ministry of Building. I nominate Comrade Garrett to take charge. Yeah, because that worked out so well for the Dockers and Painters. Now's the time for a revolution. The government needs to take more control of greedy private enterprise.
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batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:f1worldchamp wrote:notorganic wrote:f1worldchamp wrote:notorganic wrote:Constantly posting links to Mudoch articles that don't answer the questions I'm asking really doesn't further the discussion. Just keep going on your merry way, convinced everthing this government does is gold and ignoring all presented examples to the contrary.... Erm, perhaps read the last page where I was critical of the government for cutting tertiary funding? Nothing you have posted points at fault with the government, rather than dodgy builders not dispersing funds. Edited by notorganic: 13/6/2013 06:13:05 PM You have called the BER program 'highly successful', which is clearly isn't. So whose responsibility is it to oversee the dodgy builders? The government initiates the program, then just walks away and leaves them to it but it's failure isn't the governments fault? They have no responsibility to oversee the correct use of taxpayer funds at all? Are you serious? It was certainly clearly successful as a whole. I suggest you read the ANAO audit of the program rather than continuing to sprout un/half truths without really understanding the data. This is a good breakdown, it even has pretty graphs. http://grogsgamut.blogspot.com.au/2010/05/anao-report-on-ber-fact-meets-narrative.html oh yes an audit carried out by a company probably commissioned by guess who...... yes there were certainly some good outcomes in the BER, but once again EVERYTHING this government does they do without the appropriate due diligence, as your seeing in the NBN, just like the deaths in the insulation scheme and the waste is sickening, and she is on nearly 1/2 a million a year...LOL you have to be kidding me......... Who else is going to commission such an expensive audit...? Are you questioning the integrity of auditors? =; -PB
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I wonder if anyone would ever ask Rudd or Abbotts wives were lesbians.
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RedKat wrote:I wonder how soon Gillard will blame Abbott for this It would be fair to suggest that he has set the tone of the debate. It's pretty clear that Gillard has always been judged with more venom because of her gender more than her (albeit poor) ability to sell effective policy,
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Another southern cross radio dj publicity stunt
Theyre all the same people
Doesnt matter where or who
Sattler, alan jones, mel grieg and michael christian
David attenborough should do a wildlife documentary on the species. It would be' fascinating'
*puts up armguard to stop glassing*
Edited by condemned666: 14/6/2013 11:44:25 AM
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Condemned666 wrote:Another southern cross radio dj publicity stunt
Theyre all the same people
Doesnt matter where or who
Sattler, alan jones, mel grieg and michael christian
David attenborough should do a wildlife documentary on the species. It would be' fascinating'
*puts up armguard to stop glassing*
Edited by condemned666: 14/6/2013 11:44:25 AM Alan Jones works for Macquarie Media Network by far best presenter in the country
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notorganic wrote:RedKat wrote:I wonder how soon Gillard will blame Abbott for this It would be fair to suggest that he has set the tone of the debate. It's pretty clear that Gillard has always been judged with more venom because of her gender more than her (albeit poor) ability to sell effective policy, what absolute drivel......
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No12 wrote:Condemned666 wrote:Another southern cross radio dj publicity stunt
Theyre all the same people
Doesnt matter where or who
Sattler, alan jones, mel grieg and michael christian
David attenborough should do a wildlife documentary on the species. It would be' fascinating'
*puts up armguard to stop glassing*
Edited by condemned666: 14/6/2013 11:44:25 AM Alan Jones works for Macquarie Media Network by far best presenter in the country Was that meant to be bluetext? -PB
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batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:RedKat wrote:I wonder how soon Gillard will blame Abbott for this It would be fair to suggest that he has set the tone of the debate. It's pretty clear that Gillard has always been judged with more venom because of her gender more than her (albeit poor) ability to sell effective policy, what absolute drivel...... Can you point to a time in the past where a leader has been offered so little respect, and treated with absolute crude contempt?
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notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:RedKat wrote:I wonder how soon Gillard will blame Abbott for this It would be fair to suggest that he has set the tone of the debate. It's pretty clear that Gillard has always been judged with more venom because of her gender more than her (albeit poor) ability to sell effective policy, what absolute drivel...... Can you point to a time in the past where a leader has been offered so little respect, and treated with absolute crude contempt? that's her own fault....you reap what you so....... i suppose Abbott rang the radio station and put the stupid bloke up to it.......](*,) ](*,) ](*,) just accept that the radio jock is a jerk.....you can't blame Abbott for that......
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batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:RedKat wrote:I wonder how soon Gillard will blame Abbott for this It would be fair to suggest that he has set the tone of the debate. It's pretty clear that Gillard has always been judged with more venom because of her gender more than her (albeit poor) ability to sell effective policy, what absolute drivel...... Can you point to a time in the past where a leader has been offered so little respect, and treated with absolute crude contempt? that's her own fault....you reap what you so....... i suppose Abbott rang the radio station and put the stupid bloke up to it.......](*,) ](*,) ](*,) just accept that the radio jock is a jerk.....you can't blame Abbott for that...... So no, you can't then.
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batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:RedKat wrote:I wonder how soon Gillard will blame Abbott for this It would be fair to suggest that he has set the tone of the debate. It's pretty clear that Gillard has always been judged with more venom because of her gender more than her (albeit poor) ability to sell effective policy, what absolute drivel...... Can you point to a time in the past where a leader has been offered so little respect, and treated with absolute crude contempt? that's her own fault....you reap what you so.......i suppose Abbott rang the radio station and put the stupid bloke up to it.......](*,) ](*,) ](*,) just accept that the radio jock is a jerk.....you can't blame Abbott for that...... Wait wait wait...it's her fault for being a woman and that others subsequently treat her with disrespect and contempt? :-S
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RedKat wrote:I think the better question is when was a PM, regardless of gender, held in such low regard by the public that everyone sees making fun the PM complete fair game? Well there's a case that this isn't "regardless of gender"
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afromanGT wrote:batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:batfink wrote:notorganic wrote:RedKat wrote:I wonder how soon Gillard will blame Abbott for this It would be fair to suggest that he has set the tone of the debate. It's pretty clear that Gillard has always been judged with more venom because of her gender more than her (albeit poor) ability to sell effective policy, what absolute drivel...... Can you point to a time in the past where a leader has been offered so little respect, and treated with absolute crude contempt? that's her own fault....you reap what you so.......i suppose Abbott rang the radio station and put the stupid bloke up to it.......](*,) ](*,) ](*,) just accept that the radio jock is a jerk.....you can't blame Abbott for that...... Wait wait wait...it's her fault for being a woman and that others subsequently treat her with disrespect and contempt? :-S i didn't mention her gender...... she treats people with no respect and with contempt....she is a liar....and no one trusts her anymore....she will say and do anything to get her way........look at how she treated Rudd.......and they way in parliament when she is asked to apologise or retract a statement how she does it....she is a low life....... i think the bloke who asked that question should be sacked.....he is a complete arsehole and has no right to talk to another human in that way.......
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notorganic wrote:RedKat wrote:I think the better question is when was a PM, regardless of gender, held in such low regard by the public that everyone sees making fun the PM complete fair game? Well there's a case that this isn't "regardless of gender" She's despised as she's done a shit job as PM, not because she has a vagina. Carry on.
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RedKat wrote:WaMackie wrote:notorganic wrote:RedKat wrote:I think the better question is when was a PM, regardless of gender, held in such low regard by the public that everyone sees making fun the PM complete fair game? Well there's a case that this isn't "regardless of gender" She's despised as she's done a shit job as PM, not because she has a vagina. Carry on. This. Shes copping the slack because shes seen as fair game for the incompetence of her government and the general public angst to her, shown in the polls where shes on record lows. If the PM was Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd or Ryan Reynolds they'd definitely be coping the same slack because people hate the governance by her. Someone with intelligence.
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RedKat wrote:WaMackie wrote:notorganic wrote:RedKat wrote:I think the better question is when was a PM, regardless of gender, held in such low regard by the public that everyone sees making fun the PM complete fair game? Well there's a case that this isn't "regardless of gender" She's despised as she's done a shit job as PM, not because she has a vagina. Carry on. This. Shes copping the slack because shes seen as fair game for the incompetence of her government and the general public angst to her, shown in the polls where shes on record lows. If the PM was Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd or Ryan Reynolds they'd definitely be coping the same slack because people hate the governance by her. What has she done so differently that warrants this much venom?
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RedKat wrote:notorganic wrote:RedKat wrote:WaMackie wrote:notorganic wrote:RedKat wrote:I think the better question is when was a PM, regardless of gender, held in such low regard by the public that everyone sees making fun the PM complete fair game? Well there's a case that this isn't "regardless of gender" She's despised as she's done a shit job as PM, not because she has a vagina. Carry on. This. Shes copping the slack because shes seen as fair game for the incompetence of her government and the general public angst to her, shown in the polls where shes on record lows. If the PM was Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd or Ryan Reynolds they'd definitely be coping the same slack because people hate the governance by her. What has she done so differently that warrants this much venom? Well for a variety of reasons a pretty recent opinion poll has her satisfaction rate at 28% which is a clear indication of a lot of hate and with a lot of hate comes this venom, again regardless of who she is. What shes done? Well from the Carbon Tax debacle to continuing trying to implement policy which has not resonated with the public. Edited by RedKat: 14/6/2013 05:43:15 PM AWU Fraud, the stuff up with Political Party Donations, creating a fake Gender War, telling us that abortion is now an election issue, trying to shut down Free Speech via those scrapped Media Laws, Billions wasted on NBN. What else do you need?
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RedKat wrote:notorganic wrote:RedKat wrote:WaMackie wrote:notorganic wrote:RedKat wrote:I think the better question is when was a PM, regardless of gender, held in such low regard by the public that everyone sees making fun the PM complete fair game? Well there's a case that this isn't "regardless of gender" She's despised as she's done a shit job as PM, not because she has a vagina. Carry on. This. Shes copping the slack because shes seen as fair game for the incompetence of her government and the general public angst to her, shown in the polls where shes on record lows. If the PM was Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd or Ryan Reynolds they'd definitely be coping the same slack because people hate the governance by her. What has she done so differently that warrants this much venom? Well for a variety of reasons a pretty recent opinion poll has her satisfaction rate at 28% which is a clear indication of a lot of hate and with a lot of hate comes this venom, again regardless of who she is. What shes done? Well from the Carbon Tax debacle to continuing trying to implement policy which has not resonated with the public. Edited by RedKat: 14/6/2013 05:43:15 PM Opinion polls measure disapproval, not the reason behind it. On balance, she is no more or less honest than any other politician, including Mr Abbott who has been proven quite the dishonest, pragmatic populist in his time. So again, what's the difference in how people react to her over a male politician?
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It's a fair point that Abbott in part set the tone of the attacks on Gillard. Starting with the carbon tax rallies and the placarding of disgraceful language, he has kept it up and if not saying it himself, he approves of the attacks from the right.
But at the same time, Gillard knifed a very popular PM before he got through a full term, and the 2010 Election did not give her a full mandate.
School Halls: Good Pink Batts: Good idea, poorly done Carbon Tax: Good idea, poorly done Resources Rent Tax/Sovereign Wealth Fund: Decades overdue, a spoiled omelette now Gonski: Excellent NDIS: Excellent
The latter two will become to Australia what Medicare is now.
I don't think Abbott will make a good PM, his front bench is devoid of talent, ideas, and class. But Gillard will not overcome her unpopularity, and herself and her backers need to wake up to that.
Abbott will be PM.
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Mr wrote:It's a fair point that Abbott in part set the tone of the attacks on Gillard. Starting with the carbon tax rallies and the placarding of disgraceful language, he has kept it up and if not saying it himself, he approves of the attacks from the right.
But at the same time, Gillard knifed a very popular PM before he got through a full term, and the 2010 Election did not give her a full mandate.
School Halls: Good Pink Batts: Good idea, poorly done Carbon Tax: Good idea, poorly done Resources Rent Tax/Sovereign Wealth Fund: Decades overdue, a spoiled omelette now Gonski: Excellent NDIS: Excellent
The latter two will become to Australia what Medicare is now.
I don't think Abbott will make a good PM, his front bench is devoid of talent, ideas, and class. But Gillard will not overcome her unpopularity, and herself and her backers need to wake up to that.
Abbott will be PM.
Good post, I agree.
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I shudder at the thought of Abbot/Bishop representing our nation.
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