But do you have 25 years in that industry running a multi million dollar company employing over 9000 employees in that service? =;

-PB

And firing none of them haha.

Anyway, back to actual politics and away from batfinks failure to understand the legislation he is rallying against, when the federal ALP lose this election, who takes over as leader?

If this country is smart we'll see Labour continue. The most important things in this election are and should be Education, Equality, NBN and Health funding. The Labour party are actually trying to lead this country forward where as the LNP are happy to see Australia stagnate just to balance a ledger.

we have an adequate PPL that can be revised in the future to meet wage demands and we can be more competitive to increase income with a NBN that is only limited by the speed of light.

Angry???? I'm not angry???

i didn't look at linkedIn?

what rubbish.....i have no problem firing employee's when there is a need......

but there are many small businesses out there who struggle with these IR laws and don't have the resources to deal with it.......

really intelligent post by the way schmuck

grow up Matt.....do you really need to white ant someone to try and make yourself look better than you actually are....laughable

Only dumb people think you can continually fund education, equality, NBN and health funding with a shrinking economy. This kind of dumb ass rationale that you can you spend and leave the mess to future generations is what brought countries like Greece (and currently US) to its knees. The problem with leaving it to future governments to fix is those governments want to spend as well, and they can just as easily pass the buck to future government and so on and so forth. Until you finally reach a crisis point where public expenditure is so high if you start making cuts people people sprawl out onto the streets in anarchy or the government decides the best way to pull itself out of debt is to spend more money, and those fiscal strategies fail miserably and you have a compounding financial crisis and you end up relinquishing control of your country to a foreign bank .

Smart people live in the now, they can see problems before they arise and react to prevent crisis before they happen. Gee you would think after watching much of the world fall into recession we might be a bit more prudent with our spending, but no lets just spend ourselves into a black hole of debt like the rest of the world.

Oh please rusty.....don't talk sense.....they just don't understand it.......talk in semantics and you will have their ears....and we can all fap off about being over educated underachieving intellectual dysfunctional uber hipster flakes....all of them appear here.....

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Penny Wong. That way at the first sign of Lib criticism she can play the misogyny AND race card.

Sexuality card as well. Triple play.

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Ticks all the boxes.

Misogyny, racism and homophobia. Definitely a triple play.

Don't forget homophobia!!!



I think it's most likely to be Bill Shorten isn't it? There was a lot of conjecture before Rudd knifed Gillard that Shorten would likely support Rudd on the assumption that Gillard was going to lose so badly it would take 10 years for the federal ALP to recover... whereas Rudd would still lost but save enough seats for Shorten to build a competitive opposition within 2 terms.

Personally I think Shorten is going to take the ALP *back* 10 years... and just make it all the more necessary for Australian politics that a centre-left party NOT tied to the unions (i.e. Democrats until their right-shift during the late 90s killed them off) re-emerges in Australia.

Yes, you did, or you looked at a site that scrapes LinkedIn information. It's the only place on the internet that has those things listed in the way you are describing them. It's fine to look - it's all public information and I'm not ashamed of my career as much as you are trying to put it down. Did you like my pic? I know I look quite young in it, but I work hard on my health so I don't turn into a cranky old man ;)

I wasn't involved in telemarketing at TeleTech, btw, I started as a humble 19 year old tech support agent and by the time I left a year later I was managing a team of 20 support agents.

Through my management career (which will be in it's 9th year this year) I would say that I've had a reasonable amount of success in whatever project or department I was working in, increasing profit margins and productivity for other people.

I learned to performance manage people out of organisations maybe in my third or fourth year? I'm amazed that you haven't learned the same with your 25 years and counting. Funnily enough, Unions generally don't understand the legislation either, so the Fairwork changes really didn't matter too much. A bit of extra work in accommodating Union entry rights and pulling them into line when they would try and assert themselves beyond the legislation, but nothing that a bit of reading comprehension and strongly worded emails didn't fix.

So you would rather have an ineffective NBN that ends up costing more in the long run than spending the money now and getting it right and actually competing in the global market? you'd rather continue to under fund education leading to our school system continuing to slide down the world rankings?

A healthy and smart country is a prosperous country. Living in the now is living in the past. you need to look to the future to and build for it or be left behind.

Equality is just important and needs to happen.

batfink doesn't know satire when he sees it :lol:

Dear oh dear :lol:

-PB

The Liberal Party *did* very deliberately choose the expression "crisis" to explain the current budget situation... although admittedly they've back-tracked on that now.

I don't have any doubts that reducing taxes is going to help stimulate the economy in the LONG term... but then a large amount of responsibility for the high corporate tax in Australia that you talk about must surely sit with the previous Howard government?!

Don't even get me started on the carbon tax... a stupid tax that doesn't even really effect anyone anyway because it's subsidising companies by more than it's taxing them! Stupid? Yes! Bad for the economy? I don't buy it.

I actually don't think my biggest issue with the Liberal Party is Tony Abbott (as much as I don't like him)... it's Joe Hockey. You can say all you want about the LNP good record on economic management, but with this guy as treasurer I reckon you can throw all that out the door and accept that it's going to be a massive risk in how capable he actually is for that role. He's likeable enough... but treasurer? Seriously?

Once you add up Abbott's recking-ball politics (he seems to be in politics not because he has his own ideals but just because he loves fighting "lefties"), Hockey's inability to manage sums and lack of trust in what is going to be his own department, and the thoroughly dislikable background types in Mirabella, Pyne and Brandis... it really isn't any better a team than Labor. The only reason to support them seems to me to be because of unquestioned loyalty to the LNP brand.


I say all of that, I add, as someone who has only once ever preferenced a major party first when voting (Libs at the WA state election since the choice was ALP, Libs, Greens or Family First). I've *never* been a supporter of the ALP... but I just feel like the current Liberal Party team is as far below their usual political standard as the current ALP team is... and the combined crapness of both major parties is *why* it's easier for them both to just attack each other rather than working on constructive politics.

You can't build for the future if you have no money to spend. Growing the economy is the most important thing in the world. Grow the economy and you can have your NBN, Gonski and everything else you want. Putting the economy on the backburner for the sake of equality will achieve the exact opposite, everything good stems from a strong, robust economy and the only way to have that is to spend and save within your means. Spend too much too soon and you jeapordise everything.

Interesting press conference with Labour now poking holes in Liberal costings/accounting.

Would like to see LNP's response.

-PB

"Just more lies from the great Kevin Con. Trust us. Really. We'll find the money somewhere.

Well they want to make up this 60bil hole, how the fark are they going to do that?

-PB

yet spending and borrowing now means we're are able to grow the economy quicker and use the best technologies available to get us into a better situation. Sitting back and falling further behind means we'll still have to over spend in the future to catch up.

They've already announced $30 billion in cuts, how many cuts have Labor announced?

None.

I'm not asking about Labour, I'm asking about how the LNP is going to make up 30bil.

-PB

So naive. Labor have already spent and borrowed a quarter of a billion dollars and the end result is a slow economy and growing unemployment. You can't grow the economy if it's shrinking, you need to stimulate the economy in areas where growth and increased productivity can directly occur, in the form of tax cuts to small and corporate business, PPL to get more women working, infrastructure and incentives to get welfare bludgers into work. Labors plan of "growing the economy" by borrowing billions to buy more wheelchairs, more calculators and a snail pace NBN is pathetic, it's a joke.

PPL will not get more women working it will get more women having babies and staying out of the work force (most likely) for longer periods. This creates a vacuum of temporary placements that need filling (as the Proposed PPL is aimed at higher wage earners) in more higher skilled White collar industries.

Actually the best way to stimulate the economy is to ensure that Australian Manufacturing and agriculture is protected from overseas business and importers. we need to reintroduce import taxes on companies who have removed business from Australia because why make a car in Australia for Australian when they can make the same car in China and import it for less? these companies need to pay the way if they want us to by their product. Same goes for Companies like Coles Myer and Woolworths importing Fruit and Veg that is of a poorer quality but cheap price forcing farmers to have to turn in entire crops or sell well below market value to attempt to keep their family properties from failing.
The Dairy industry is being crippled with the low prices war and we're beginning to see the same effects in Tasmanian apple farms as well.

paying people to hold jobs is not going to get Joe Average to hold on to his job, I work in the JSA field with these people and if they can't hold a job now for 12 months it's due to being bludgers or not having the relevant education or skills to get the job they want and lacking hands on employment experience. There are already enough incentives available to employers to higher these people FYI.
Wage subsidies, employer contributions, government Apprentice/trainee payments, Employment pathway funds to cover the cost of tools, clothing, travel and anything else you may need to start work.
Plus there are bonus payments for employers and Job seekers how gain work in Skills shortage areas, however these fields are often filled by 475 Visas as Australian workers often lack the hands on skills to fill these jobs and it's also cheaper for the companies to high foreign works as they'll take the lower paying end of the spectrum.

As for health it's an unavoidable necessity to help those people in need and we need to ensure that they get the support they need so they can return to employment and if not be able to live as independently as possible so as not to burden family causing them to have to remove or reduce their ability to work and pay their own mortgages.

I also don't think you understand how the NBN works. The money being spent is preparing the way for information to be produced via the speed of light and unless I'm mistaken that's just a little bit quicker than the deteriorating copper network that we are using now and that Abbott wishes to leave in place for the foreseeable future because he doesn't understand how the internet or the Web works.

There is light at the end of the tunnel but you need to ride out the darkness to get to the other side. we will return to surplus in the future and we'll be a better country for investing and preparing the way to be able to stay competitive.

Well said rocknerd.

-PB

Where did it come from?

Wheelchairs, calculators and NBNs all need to be manufactured = more manufacturing = economic stimulus.

PPL = paying people to not produce anything = economic handbreak? Except for the indirect funding of childcare products I guess... much of which will probably be bought online from overseas.

Also, most unemployed people are unemployed due to lack of opportunity, not lack of motivation. For those that are 'bludgers', I doubt an extra one-off payment is going to change much.



The biggest risk to our economy is the increasing trend of both businesses and individuals spending money overseas... it would be worthwhile for both ALP and LNP supporters to focus on that and which party is going to solve that rather than clinging to old assumptions and stereotypes about Australian political parties.

Each party has a plan to grow the economy and provide a certain level of government service... to be honest I don't know how anyone can think either of them are actually that strong that they'll hammer the weaknesses in the other.