Both NBN's are off-budget. The economy or the state of the economy means nothing to the NBN. We could be in a recession and the way the NBN works would mean it could be afforded.

The only different is that one NBN is future proof and people in each of the three areas of the NBN rollout (FTTP, Fixed Wireless, Sat) will get the same quality of service as the rest of the people, without any differences in price.

you know the internet??? a bit from here a bit from there;)

Sorry mate, don't buy it. Everything you referenced comes from LinkedIn... which really doesn't matter, like I said, it's public record... just not sure why you are lying about it? Are you ashamed of it or something?

Soon this nightmare will be over and the new one can begin.

http://noblekraken.wordpress.com/2013/08/21/a-guide-to-australian-politics-and-parties-for-non-australians-and-also-australians-too/

-PB

If they aren't an issue then why are you complaining about it? #-o this is EXACTLY why you're an idiot.

lol...i am not lying.....lol....ashamed???? what sort of off the wall comment is that????

does it matter where i got the info from....the internet is vast.......

just google it and you will find plenty.....really simple.....to hard for you to comprehend???

more abuse from you...i truly feel sorry for you.......

now i have to explain it to you don't i????

i personally don't have to much trouble dealing with the IR laws because i have procedures in place and plenty of resources afforded to me via my participation in our industry association....NECA.... but the vast majority of small business don't have the resources to defend and protect themselves against these laws and the people who take advantage of them.......

simple enough for you????

:shock: #-o wait for the abuse......

Voters baulk at Coalition's decision to scrap the tax loss carry-back scheme

by: By MALCOLM FARR National Political Editor

From:
news.com.au
August 29, 2013 12:15AM

THE Coalition was all set to grab the small business vote this election - until it announced a promise to scrap a tax concession the sector really likes.

Some 50 per cent of small and medium enterprises (SMEs) believe the Coalition would do more to support them, according to a survey for MYOB of just over 1000 MYOB operators released today.

More than a quarter were undecided.

The sector, considered the biggest job generator in the economy, is split along age lines with Gen Y tending to favour Labor while those aged 65 and over are fixed on the Coalition, according to the MYOB survey.

But there was significantly more trust in the Coalition managing the economy than for Labor and the Coalition has benefited from having just one small business spokesman, the well respected Bruce Bilson, over the past six years compared to six Small Business Ministers in the Labor Government.

However, yesterday the Coalition announced it would scrap the tax loss carry-back scheme - which is the 10th most import issue to SMEs, according to the survey.

Removing the scheme - which allows businesses to offset operating losses and retain staff by claiming back taxes paid over the last three years - would have the effect of a tax increase.

It is a favoured policy of the Nationals but didn't survive the Coalition razor gang which saw savings of $900 million from abolishing it.

"It is a truly bizarre situation to see the National Party supporting tax cuts and the Liberal Party supporting tax hikes," said Labor campaign spokeswoman Penny Wong.

"These are tax cuts that small business need - and it's time (Opposition Leader) Tony Abbott listened to (Nationals Leader) Warren Truss and supported Federal Labor's small business tax cuts."

The survey found Coalition backing was strongest among those over 65 years of age, 52 per cent of whom backed Opposition Leader Tony Abbott. Just 12 per cent of Generation Y operators agreed.

"When it comes to the votes of small to medium business operators, one quarter is still undecided - 26% said they didn't trust any party more than another to manage our economy," said chief executive of MYOB Tim Reed.

Some 44 per cent of SMEs overall said they have the most trust in the Coalition to manage the economy (56 per cent of over 65's) while 18 per cent had greater trust in Labor (37 per cent of Gen Y business operators).

However, there is strong agreement on what governments should do for SMEs.

The top five were:

* Significant simplification of the GST/BAS reporting process;

* Abolition of the carbon tax;

* More government investment in transport infrastructure in our major states & cities;

* Increased government funding for skills, training & apprenticeship programs;

* A proportion of government procurement assigned to small businesses.

And at No.10 was: Continuation of the tax loss carry back scheme.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/voters-baulk-at-coalition8217s-decision-to-scrap-the-tax-loss-carryback-scheme/story-fnho52ip-1226706126096#ixzz2dLWVP6br

So the laws should protect the employer (who makes all the money) instead of the employee (who make some of the money). Yeah, that makes sense. :roll: You're talking about 'protecting the little man', but in turn want to shit on the littlest man. Fact is, if you don't do anything wrong and know how to run a business then you don't have an issues.

Also weren't you saying how awful the economy was because of unemployment a few months back? Making it easier to sack people is just going to increase unemployment and make the economy worse.

This is exactly why you're an idiot. #-o

You scraped it from my LinkedIn. Why is this so hard for you to admit?

Coalition has $10bn hole in its savings, says Labor

Rudd says shortfall raises questions about 'judgment and truthfulness' and represents 'fraud on the Australian people'

Lenore Taylor, political editor
theguardian.com, Thursday 29 August 2013 13.47 AEST

Labor claims the Coalition has a $10bn “hole” in its $31bn of claimed savings, based on pre-election advice the government received from the departments of Treasury and finance and the Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO).

The prime minister, Kevin Rudd, said the costings shortfall raised questions about the Coalition’s “judgment and truthfulness” and represented a “$10bn fraud on the Australian people”.

The treasurer, Chris Bowen, said the mistakes were a deliberate attempt to “hide the need to make further and deeper cuts to make their budget add up”.

The Coalition leader, Tony Abbott, insisted he was “absolutely confident” of his costings and the “robust” nature of his assumptions, and rejected the government’s analysis on the basis that Treasury forecasts had been wrong in the past.

“This from a government which has got every single figure wrong,” Abbott said. “When Mr Rudd talks about the budget, if his lips are moving he’s not telling the truth.”

Labor’s attack also suffered a blow when the parliamentary budget office and the two departments cautioned against using costings requested by one party, purporting to represent policies of a different party.

“When an individual parliamentarian or a political party chooses to publicly release a PBO costing that has been prepared on a confidential basis for them, it is inappropriate to claim that the PBO has costed the policy of any other parliamentarian or political party.

“Unless all of the policy specifications were identical, the financial implications of the policy could vary markedly,” the parliamentary budget officer Phil Bowen said in a statement.

The secretary of the Treasury, Dr Martin Parkinson, and the secretary of the finance department David Tune, also issued a statement Thursday afternoon saying the costings had been provided “prior to the election” and pointing out that “different costing assumptions, such as the start date of a policy, take up assumptions, indexation and the coverage that applies, will inevitably generate different financial outcomes.”

Labor, on the basis of the advice based on its own interpretation of the coalition policies, claims the following costs are wrong:

• It says the Coalition can only save $1.7bn – based on advice from the Treasury before the election – from its decision not to proceed with the low-income earners’ superannuation contribution, not the $3.7bn the opposition is claiming. Bowen claimed the only way the Coalition could get to its claimed saving was if it made the change retrospective. (The Coalition shadow assistant treasurer, Senator Mathias Cormann, says Labor had itself used a $4bn figure for the measure as recently as April.)

• It says the saving of $5.2bn claimed from reducing the public service by 12,000 is overstated and released a costing from the Department of Finance saying the move would save only $2.8bn. The government has also released a costing from the Parliamentary Budget Office showing that even a cut of 20,000 public servants would not quite reach the calculated saving. (Cormann says the difference in costings may be because the Coalition is assuming job cuts would start straight away – with 6,000 public servants to be cut through natural attrition in the first nine months from 1 October this year, and another 6,000 after that, whereas the costing provided to the government assumed job cuts would begin next year.)

• It says most of the $5.1bn in savings claimed by the Coalition from abolishing free permits offered to trade-exposed businesses to compensate for the carbon tax does not affect the cash balance on the budget, because the permits were offered for free. Bowen said this was a “pea and thimble trick” used in order “to hide the need to make further and deeper cuts to make their budget add up”. (Cormann says the final budget numbers to be provided next week will clearly identify the difference between accrual and cash accounting methods.)

• The government says only $300m can be saved by abolishing the Clean Energy Finance Corporation (CEFC). According to the government the Coalition was claiming $1.5bn from abolishing it. (The Coalition actually claimed the $1.5bn from a range of cuts, including some to the Australian Renewable Energy Agency and Cormann clarified that only $500m was being claimed from the abolition of the CEFC, based on advice from the PBO.)

Rudd also attacked the Coalition’s proposed cuts to tax breaks for small business saying he believed this was “absolutely the wrong priority”, and again criticised Abbott’s paid parental scheme.

Abbott clarified his apparent change of policy on Medicare Locals in Wednesday night’s debate. The Coalition had said it would review Medicare Locals and had not guaranteed that all would remain open. On Wednesday Abbott said none would close. He has now clarified that the review will proceed. He added: “I don’t guarantee they are all going to stay exactly the same. Our focus is trying to move money from the back office to frontline health services.”

The government’s figures are based on costings it requested from treasury and finance before the election was called.

The finance minister Senator Penny Wong told the ABC the government had requested the costings because “we anticipated Joe Hockey would do exactly what he has done...but there is a simple way for Joe Hockey to sort this out, he could put all his costings out.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/29/coalition-10bn-hole-savings-labor

Abbott makes campaign pitch at school that calls homosexuality 'abomination'
The opposition leader tells reporters he 'respectfully disagrees' with statement on school website
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Tony Abbott at Penrith Christian school: 'It is very important that we have the right values to live by.' Photograph: Mike Bowers/the Global Mail
Tony Abbott has launched the Coalition's education policy at a conservative Sydney Christian school which describes homosexuality as an "abomination" and embraces creationism as the origin of human existence.

The opposition leader used his visit to the Penrith Christian school, an independent school run by the Pentecostal ImagineNations church, to talk about values.

"The great thing about a school like this is it's not just about getting you through your exams," he said.

"It's not just about making good friends who hopefully will be your friends for life, important though both of those things are.

"In a school such as this it is very important that we have the right values to live by, and I guess the best value that we can live by is that golden rule to 'do unto others as you would have them do to you'."

The Assemblies of God Australia statement of faith on the school’s website spells out a list of its values.

In a section on homosexuality, the school says: "We believe that homosexuality and specific acts of homosexuality are an abomination unto God, a perversion of the natural order and not to be entered into by his people."

On gender change, it says: "We believe the practice of attempting to or changing one’s gender through surgical and/or hormonal or artificial genetic means is contrary to the natural order ordained by God."

And in a section titled “Creation” it says: “We believe that the heavens and the earth and all original life forms, including humanity, were made by the specific immediate creative acts of God as described in the account of origins presented in Genesis, and that all biological changes which have occurred since creation are limited to variation within each species.”

Abbott told reporters he "respectfully disagreed" with the school's statement.

"This is a good school and it is a school which has been supported by people like [Labor frontbenchers] David Bradbury and Peter Garrett," he said.

A spokesman for Bradbury told Guardian Australia he had visited the school previously in his capacity as a local member, and that he also disagreed with the statement of faith.

“He had not seen the document in question until today. He does not agree with the comments in question,” the spokesman said.

A statement from the Greens said the school’s position reflected “outdated discrimination exemptions applying to religious schools”.

“What’s more shocking than the school’s statements around homosexuality is that Australian law still allows religious schools to expel students and fire teachers on the basis of their sexuality,” said Greens spokeswoman for schools, Senator Penny Wright.

The school has been contacted for further comment.

The school’s principal, Bruce Nevill, initially told reporters the school was not considering reviewing the statement of faith.

He said the reference to homosexuality as "an abomination unto God" was a quote from the Bible.

"Plain and simple, that's all it is," Nevill said.

But later on Thursday the chief executive of Christian Schools Australia, Stephen O'Doherty, told Fairfax they would now review the statement.

“''Because of the capacity for it to be misunderstood, the school is going to review the way in which the policy is worded,'' he said.

''The language that they've used in that statement comes from an older translation of the Bible, it's not in step with modern language and doesn't reflect the attitude that the school has to the treatment of people who identify as homosexual.''

O’Doherty said the suggestion that students were taught homosexuality was a perversion was “offensive,” and that many students over the years had been assisted by the school while struggling with their sexuality.

''People are accepted for who they are, that is a key teaching.,” he said.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/29/tony-abbott-school-calls-homosexuality-abomination

Coalition sets aside $70m to make a quarter of state schools independent

Tony Abbott wants 'independent public schools' to take more responsibility for their finances, curriculum and staff selection

Lenore Taylor, political editor
theguardian.com, Thursday 29 August 2013 16.13 AEST

Tony Abbott wants a quarter of all state schools to become “independent” by the end of the first term of a Coalition government – with principals and parents taking more responsibility for finances, curriculum and staff selection.

The Coalition is setting aside $70m to help schools make the transition to become “independent public schools” – similar to “academies” in the UK or “charter” schools in the US.

Independent schools are still publicly funded, and are not allowed to charge compulsory fees or set selective entrance standards, but, according to the Coalition, will be run more like a private school, with greater freedom to determine what is taught, to choose staff and determine staff pay.

The policy is modelled on Western Australia’s independent public schools and, on the basis of the WA experience, Abbott says “the Coalition will aim to encourage 1,500 (or 25%) of all schools to adopt similar levels of autonomy over the first four years of a Coalition government”.

But other states, including New South Wales, have rejected the model, with the NSW education minister, Adrian Piccoli, saying recently he had seen “no evidence” that independent schools improved school performance.

The Coalition sought to defuse the debate over schools funding by shifting its policy just before the election and agreeing to match Labor’s funding deal with the states for its first four years.

Abbott repeated on Wednesday the Coalition “will spend exactly the same on schools education as Labor”, although the Coalition has not promised to match Labor’s funding in the fifth and sixth years of the federal/state deals when two-thirds of the promised increase in funding – an additional $7bn – is due to be paid.

The Coalition has also promised to “review” Labor’s My School website and has indicated it may no longer publish the results of the nationwide Naplan tests.

“We have major concerns about Naplan results being published on the My School website and the results being used to name and shame schools. The Coalition is also deeply concerned about increasing reports of teachers ‘teaching to the test’, students with a disability being asked to stay home on testing day as to not drag the schools result down and students becoming ill following prolonged periods of test anxiety,” the policy says.

“We want to consult further with teachers and the states on options that will see the Naplan testing return to a useful diagnostic tool as was intended, and will review the website if elected to government.”

And the Coalition promises to also “review” the national curriculum, which it claims has become politicised.

“For example, the current curriculum suggests that our students are best served learning about the day-to-day activities of trade unions and the history of the Australian Labor party … the curriculum contains two references to trade unions, four references to progressive ideas and associated movements, and the only prime minister to be explicitly referenced is John Curtin.

“There is no explicit mention of the conservative parties in the curriculum. The Coalition will achieve the right balance and ensure that our students learn educational basics and important fundamentals about our nation’s history and structure,” the policy document says.

The policy also pledges to increase the proportion of year 12 students learning a foreign language to 40%, from about 12% now.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/29/coalition-70m-state-schools-independent

lol...and the abuse continues......](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

have you any integrity or dignity???? i think not......

simple ...because it is not true....how hard is it for you to get????

now go on call me a liar....and resort to personal abuse like Afro......

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So who wants to guess how many of the 200 Liberal Party policies were submitted to Parliamentary Budget Office for costing before tonight's deadline for lodgement to ensure said policies would be costed before the election?

There are 104 words in that post. You've ignored 103 of them.

You abuse people all the time, but when you're on the receiving end you lose your shit.

This is exactly why you're an idiot.

Dear oh dear KRUDD at his deceit and lies again:cool: :cool:




Mandarins undermine Kevin Rudd's costings 'fraud' claim
BY:DAVID CROWE AND DAVID UREN From: The Australian August 29, 2013 7:56PM

Kevin Rudd
Kevin Rudd, with Penny Wong and Chris Bowen, claimed Labor had found a $10bn hole in Coalition costings. Picture: Lyndon Mechielsen Source: TheAustralian
THE heads of Treasury and Finance have distanced themselves from Kevin Rudd's claim of a $10 billion hole in Coalition costings, saying figures released today were not compiled under the Charter of Budget Honesty and used different budget assumptions.

The Prime Minister earlier today used confidential advice given by the two departments to cabinet to accuse Tony Abbott of attempting to perpetrate a “$10 billion fraud” on the Australian people.

The documents released detailed costings of policies similar to those proposed by the Coalition but with very different figures to those released by its treasury spokesman, Joe Hockey.

Mr Rudd used the findings to escalate claims that Mr Abbott has a secret list of spending cuts and warned of the risk of a recession if the Coalition took power.

However, Treasury secretary Martin Parkinson and Finance secretary David Tune, together with the Parliamentary Budget Office, tonight distanced themselves from Labor's attack.

The two senior department heads issued a media release suggesting no conclusions about the cost of Coalition policies could be drawn from the work they had done for the government before the election was called.

“Different costing assumptions, such as the start date of a policy, take-up assumptions, indexation and the coverage that applies, will inevitably generate different financial outcomes,” said their statement.

“The financial implications of a policy may also differ depending on whether the costing is presented on an underlying cash balance or fiscal balance basis,” they said.

“At no stage prior to the caretaker period has either department costed opposition policies.”

Dr Parkinson and Dr Tune said they had been asked by the government to prepare costings on policy options befrore the election was called.

“These costings were not prepared under the election costings commitments process outlined in the Charter of Budget Honesty Act 1998,” they said.

The Parliamentary Budget Office said its costings were prepared on the basis of policy specifications provided by the party or parliamentarian requesting that costing.

“PBO guidance issued on May 9 2013 makes it clear that the PBO will not prepare costings of policies attributed to an individual parliamentarian or political party without the knowledge and active participation of that parliamentarian or political party in the costing process,” Parliamentary Budget Officer Phil Bowen said in a separate statement.

“When an individual parliamentarian or a political party chooses to publicly release a PBO costing that has been prepared on a confidential basis for them, it is inappropriate to claim that the PBO has costed the policy of any other parliamentarian or political party.

“Unless all of the policy specifications were identical, the identical, the financial implications of the policy could vary markedly,” Mr Bowen stressed.

Labor's claims included:

- That the Coalition exaggerated the saving from scrapping the low income superannuation contribution by $2bn, because it would save $1.7bn rather than the $3.7bn in the Coalition press release.

- That the Coalition claimed more than $2bn too much in savings from cuts to the public service, given the Department of Finance estimated this would save $2.8bn rather than the $5.2bn in the Coalition press release.

- That the Coalition claimed a saving of $5.1bn from cutting free permits by scrapping the carbon tax using accrual accounting, although this does not reflect the underlying cash balance used to measure the budget deficit.

- That the Coalition should not claim a saving of $1.5bn from scrapping the Clean Energy Finance Corporation, because the saving would only be $300 million.

Some of those arguments, however, are countered by advice to the Coalition.

The Coalition cited advice from the Parliamentary Budget Office to support its estimate of a $5.2bn saving from the cuts to the public service.

The costing, seen by The Australian, assumes that natural attrition would see the size of the federal public service cut by 6,000 positions by June 2014 and another 6,000 by September 2015.

The staffing freeze would save $5.2bn over the four years from 2013-14 to 2016-17, according to the PBO.

The savings amount to $303.1m, $1.2bn, $1.8bn and $1.9bn over the four years.

Despite the development, Mr Bowen and Senator Wong refused to back down from their claims the Coalition had a $10bn costings black hole and would have to make savage cuts to find savings.

"This entire situation could be resolved if Mr Abbott and Mr Hockey released their costings in full,’’ they said in a joint statement. “It is as simple as that.’’

The ministers maintained Labor had asked Treasury and Finance for “specific costings’’.

"Our requests were based on the best publicly available information about opposition policies. This is clear … from the minutes released today.

"We took this step because Mr Abbott and Mr Hockey refuse to submit their policies for costing consistent with Peter Costello’s Charter of Budget Honesty," Mr Bowen and Senator Wong said.

Mr Hockey issued all of his costing figures in accrual accounting terms on Tuesday, but Labor used cash accounting to put forward its claims of a “black hole” today.

Mr Hockey promised to outline the cash accounting impact when he issues the full list of Coalition measures next week.

Earlier today he called the Labor estimates “dead wrong” and said they were a “desperate” ploy that showed Labor had nothing positive to say.

“The big problem for Labor is that the Coalition's costings have been verified by the independent Parliamentary Budget Office, the entity that Labor itself established,” Mr Hockey said in a statement.

“The government which has got all of its figures wrong for six years is now getting the Coalition's figures wrong.”

On each of Labor's main claims, Mr Hockey said the difference in figures came down to the choice of cash or accrual accounting.

Treasurer Chris Bowen highlighted the low income superannuation contribution as a major issue for voters, warning that the Coalition would only save the money it claimed if it made a retrospective change to the regime.

The contribution scheme offers $500 a year towards retirement funds for about 3.6 million low-paid workers, but it costs Canberra about $1bn a year.

The Treasury analysis dated August 5 2013, shortly before the government entered caretaker mode, shows that if the Coalition scrapped the super scheme from July 2014 it would only save $1.7bn over the forward estimates.

Mr Bowen argued that if the Coalition wanted to save $3.7bn it would have to make its changes retrospective to save money this year.

“There is a $2bn shortfall on this particular saving,” Mr Bowen told reporters.

“If the opposition wants to claim a $3.7bn saving there's only one way they could do it: make the tax change retrospective, go back and take tax off people, payments off people that they have already received through the tax break that we have provided.”

Mr Bowen said the saving would have to be backdated to 2012 to save as much as the Coalition claimed.

“If they're going to reintroduce retrospective taxation changes, Mr (joe) Hockey and Mr Abbott should hold a press conference today and be upfront about it.”

Mr Abbott dismissed Labor's attack shortly after it was launched, standing by the Coalition estimates on the grounds they were checked by the PBO and checked by a panel of three eminent experts.

“Let's be very clear, Mr Rudd has got all of his own figures wrong, and now he's getting all of ours wrong too,” Mr Abbott said.

“When it comes to budget figures, if Mr Rudd's lips are moving, you know he's not telling the truth.”

None, right? I bet it was none. Was it none?

and on it goes.....blah blah blah blah blah

same abuse.....same shit...blah blah fucken blah.......you sound like a 12 year old school boy....lol:-" :-" :-"

c'mon more abuse.....;)

hey spike was it none??? was it spike??? none hey spike was it none??

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So 12,000 jobs alone will be lost in the next 2 years?

-PB

Yeah, but they're only jobs.

Edited by Joffa: 29/8/2013 10:13:36 PM

See? You continue to spout the same tired garbage. "Oh, you're calling me names", "oh, you're a child", "Oh, blah blah blah".

Because you can't actually rebut anything I've said. You lack neither the mental capacity, not the evidence, nor the understanding to rebut any of the points I've raised.

This is exactly why you're an idiot.

Again, you talk drivel instead of rebuttal. Classic Batfink.
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Oh look, the Liberals new Work Choices policy isn't even going to be revealed until after the election if they win.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-29/workchoices-sudmalis/4920352

Nothin' sus.

This is followed by personal attacks or nonsensical/irrelevant posts (see Chester and Spike YT clip above)

lol....hypocrite much.......