The vote will go to the next preference, I'm not up on who Liberals have referenced so you'll have to look it up but likely to be Palmer, possible even Greens in your electorate as Fred Nile and One Nation were at the end of the liberals list in Macquarie and Lindsay so that they didn't look to be supporting racism and bigotry.

But for the Iraq war you had multilateral support with no less than 40 countries committing troops. This time you only have France, while Britain and Germany and other key allies have said no. It's quite incredible you justify a possible illegal invasion on the basis of Frances reputation for being "cheese eating surrender monkey's. Is this your best evidence?

Edited by rusty: 4/9/2013 11:28:54 AM

In a system where it's basically made out to be a choice between 1 of two major parties (or in Australia's case, between one of two personalities), I'd say voting solely to vote against one of them is a logical choice. Particularly for those who don't care, or understand, that you're voting for your local person rather than Rudd or Abott themselves.

All of this is meaningless as Charlton is always Labour and probably always will be. It just intereted me enough.

Global Politics.

I keep hearing people saying that Palmer has shot up in opinion polls, do people know of websites that have such polling information available?

-PB

Isn't that the polls he's saying are rigged?

Palmer could do a lot of damage if he spends the next three years working on his strategy and his policy mix. A well funded and advertised centrist party could take votes from both major parties.

you're missing my point or looking to have an agreement.

Bolded is exactly the point. Probably not going to be illegal if France's evidence can be verified.

For the Iraq war you had a President looking to finish off what his father started and an Aus government in the Liberals who thought for national relations it was best to jump on board with out any verified evidence.

here you have acts of actual aggression against innocent people either by rebel forces or the Syrian Government, UN inspectors being fired upon in an attempt to stop them from gaining evidence of a gas attack and French intelligence alleging to evidence of the attack being perpetrated by the Government forces.

Everyone is waiting on the primary evidence to surface before action is taken.

Personally I'm just sick of it all. These countries can't run themselves effectively when the balance tips it is those stuck between two sets of dictators who suffer the most.

What is the course of action you then suggest the rest of the world should take? a box of popcorn and see who can bomb the world back to peace?

The US already have Congress approval.

-PB

For those who prefer their language coarse.

http://dontbeafuckingidiot.herokuapp.com/DontBeAFuckingIdiot.pdf

says the gimp

egotistical, narcissist with delusions of grandeur

wanker

you are just a sheep.......

you talk such fucken shit

No, they don't.

No I am not.

If you want to make claims, have sources to back those claims.

Other wise you are "just another liberal shitspeaker"

-PB

batfink - cool your jets on the single-sentence reply posts that basically attack people's opinions. Making a post that says "you're an idiot" or "you're joking right" aren't really constructive. You're making what is really enjoyable conversation into childish bickering

"debt levels are fucking negligible"

That's what countries like Ireland and Greece thought before the GFC hit. Yeah Keynesian economics worked great for them.

The features of the Irish crisis examined so far conform to an international pattern that was initiated in the US but affected nearly all the crisis-hit countries in a similar way (with some important exceptions). However, there are two important features of the current crisis that are unique to Ireland.

The first is that only in Ireland has there been a blanket state guarantee to the creditors of the failed banking system. The costs associated with this alone may capsize the state into default. Second, only the Dublin government moved straight to an attack on living standards as a response to the crisis – most other countries did the opposite initially, providing some sort of fiscal stimulus as a means to prevent disaster.

as oppoposed to a labor gimp.....:lol: :lol:

And that's just from one page. :roll:

While the tone was unsavoury he does have a valid point, just an article to back up your claim would be nice.

Who says they are waiting for "primary evidence"? The Obama and US are ready to strike, they are seeking congress permission to go in not the UN's.

Even if you can verify France's evidence it doesn't make an invasion legal. You need China and Russia's backing to give it the UN thumbs up otherwise it's just another illegal war, the same status applied to Iraq war which many argued principally made America the bad guy. Both Iraq and Syria (so far) are based on circumstantial evidence and no UN backing, an attack on this basis would make it illegal and immoral.

I support taking action on Syria but you need solid evidence before you go in, especially given the US's track record in recent years. It's interesting how America's foreign policy is percieved in light of who is leading the country, it seemed under Bush despite many people suffering under brutal dictatorships the perception was the wars were for commercial and imperialistic purposes while Obama they are moral and virtuous. Again no doubt if Bush were in charge there'd be howls of protest and many people complaining America getting involved in diplomtic matters that are none of its business.

Edited by rusty: 4/9/2013 01:26:33 PM

Isn't that the polls he's saying are rigged?

Palmer could do a lot of damage if he spends the next three years working on his strategy and his policy mix. A well funded and advertised centrist party could take votes from both major parties.

has been provided by another person on the previous page and i have been found to be correct

Yeah another person. Wouldn't have been hard for you to post it and not act like a juvenile.

-PB

By Corinne GrantSeptember 3, 2013
I love spring. Even in the middle of one of the saddest and most shame-inducing election campaigns in our nation’s history, it still fills me with hope.
The election will be over soon and we’ll have a new prime minister. Whoever he is might be able to inflict untold cruelty on to asylum seekers, and sell out the environment, but he won’t be able to stop the sunshine. (At least, I don’t think he can.)

I’m trying not to think about what an Abbott government will mean for Australia. I’m trying not to think of the cruelty that Scott Morrison will inflict on refugees with all the joy-filled malice that man exhibits for vulnerable people.
I’m trying not to think of the backwards thinking that will dismantle an emissions trading scheme in a country that has one of the largest carbon footprints per capita in the world and replace it with a handful of kids planting trees for a few dollars an hour.
I’m trying not to think of all those who will celebrate the knowledge that Australians don’t think any more and are quite happy to be told how to vote by Rupert Murdoch.
If Rudd gets back in, I’ll be equally depressed. This is a man who has sold the soul of his party in the vain hope of winning a few seats in Western Sydney. Even after all the brutality of introducing an asylum seeker policy that has seen little kids sweltering in prisons on malaria-filled islands, separated husbands and wives forever, trapped and punished and mentally destroyed people who were begging us to help them, he hasn’t won a single vote. He’s inflicted untold cruelty on innocent people and destroyed the oldest political party in Australia for nothing.
Neither Rudd nor Abbott dares to stand up and share with us their vision for Australia. Slogans are not vision. Pork-barreling is not vision. Pandering to a single business here, or a small town there isn’t vision. It’s cowardice.
Abbott is so gutless he won’t even tell us how much his policies will cost. Rudd is so cowardly he won’t acknowledge that Julia Gillard truly did do some good for fear it will take the focus off him. Our choice is between a slimy snake-oil salesman and a shallow little narcissist.

Cowards are never more obvious than when they hide behind the weak and vulnerable. Our schools and hospitals and roads aren’t full to bursting because of asylum seekers.
Our infrastructure and services are groaning because neither party has the guts to pull the money out of middle class welfare and big business to fund public transport, renewable energy, decent pensions for the elderly, nurses and doctors and tertiary education that is accessible to all. Both of them prefer to spend billions and billions to keep a few thousand people from landing on our shores because it’s easier than having the fortitude to truly lead.
What a pathetic, useless, impotent bunch of sad little clowns we have to vote for. What a paltry, self-serving, small-minded business leading our country has become.
And it’s all our fault.
It doesn’t matter how many times the sane and sensible tell us that our economy is one of the strongest in the world, we don’t want to hear it. We’re a bunch of spoilt, selfish brats who want to be told that private schools, four wheel drives, the latest iPad and cable TV are inviolable human rights. We are a country of sheep and we deserve the morally bereft refuse that both our major political parties have become.
We should have expected more of them. We should have shown them time and time again that we wouldn’t tolerate their awful, divisive politicking. We shouldn’t have been so eager to allow them to turn us on each other. Instead of blaming these useless windbags for being utterly soulless, we blame single mothers, rich mothers, female prime ministers, people who arrive by boat, Muslims, or people who live in Western Sydney.
We should never have been so eager to accept that this was as good as it could get. We should never have been so eager to hate each other.
A true leader would challenge us to be more than that. A true leader would tell us to grow the hell up, to learn to think for ourselves and learn to question and engage. Not so Rudd and not so Abbott. I don’t think it’s occurred to either of them that leading a country should be about trying to make it better.
We have no choice at this election campaign. Both major parties are carbon copies of each other’s hollowness. The saddest and most pathetic part of all of it is watching ALP candidates brainwashing themselves into thinking they’re noble and passionate and fighting the good fight.

*Corinne Grant is a stand-up comedian, MC, presenter, writer and broadcaster and has performed both nationally and internationally. In addition to her years on Rove Live and The Glasshouse, she has appeared on everything from Spicks and Specks to Dancing With The Stars to Good News Week. She has co-hosted successful national radio shows, performed countless solo live shows and appeared everywhere from the Sydney Opera House to the Kalgoorlie Arts Centre. Corinne’s first book, Lessons In Letting Go: Confessions of a Hoarder (Allen and Unwin) was released in September 2010 and went into reprint just months after its release. You can follow her on Twitter @corinne_grant.

Yeah another person. Wouldn't have been hard for you to post it and not act like a juvenile.

-PB