If you wish to make a decision based on Christian values, for whom to vote for in the upcoming Federal Election, be ready for a tough time because it is certainly not an easy task to decipher all the positions of the major parties. To assist you the tables below are a summary of the positions of major parties on issues of concern to Christians.

Click here for the table: http://marriage.greekorthodox.org.au/2013/08/how-to-vote-christian-values-checklist/

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Re Clive Palmer - I don't mind more than a few things his party stands for but Palmer has no staying power. He'll be out of politics by 2016.

I think it would fascinating to sit down and pick his brain.

I agree, I think it would be too. He's an intelligent guy with good ideas.

I just believe he'll get disillusioned with all the b/s that goes along with politics, just like he found it hard to work within accepted football protocols.

And feast on the goo inside?? :lol:

I think the moral of this election's story is if you wish to win reelection don't go into debt. It's quite depressing since austerity during a slump can wreck an economy so next time we have a sever slump we are likely to have a depression due to the fact that it would take a suicidal prime minister to do a large stimulus

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Policy summaries of Coalition and Labor.

http://theaimn.com/2013/09/03/your-vote-might-just-be-worth-something-after-all/

News.com.au have published an excellent and timely article Federal Election promises, cuts and what they mean for you by Sarah Michael which briefly examines Kevin Rudd’s and Tony Abbott’s election promises and how they would affect the average voter. The article deserves exposure. It doesn’t appear to be receiving a great deal by the looks of the Most Read Stories section of news.com where it hasn’t even entered the Top Ten even though it was published some seven hours ago. It is doubtful too, that hundreds of thousands of social media users will know the article exists because of the huge (and justified) anti-Murdoch sentiment: people – again justifiably – are deserting his tabloids in their droves.

Subsequently, for those thousands of readers of this site I have reproduced the bulk of the article below. Here is what you will get with your vote:

If you have school-aged children…

Under Labor you would receive the Schoolkids Bonus of $410 a year for each child in primary school and $820 a year for each child in secondary school. But your family would only be eligible for these payments if you receive benefits such as Family Tax Benefit Part A.

Labor would also introduce 137 new trade training centres to 225 schools across Australia.

Labor would also spend $8 million on programs to tackle homophobic bullying in schools.

The Coalition would axe the Schoolkids Bonus. But it would match Labor school funding dollar-for-dollar over the next four years.

If you have children in after school care…

Labor would give $450 million in extra funding to up to 500 schools, so they can introduce or expand on after school care services.

If you’re a TAFE student…

Labor would seek an agreement from the states and territories guaranteeing no further TAFE cuts. If the states refused to guarantee funding for TAFE, the Commonwealth would fund TAFEs directly.

If you want to go to university…

And you are from a disadvantaged background, Labor would give $50 million in funding to 17 higher education institutions to boost participation.

If you’re an apprentice…

Labor would boost the completion payment under the Tools For Your Trade initiative from $1500 to $2000. But Labor has already scrapped $3000 full-time and $1500 part-time incentives for employers of workers who undertake a ‘nonpriority’ qualification. The incentives remain in place if the qualifications lead to occupations on the National Skills Needs List or in the aged, child or disability care sectors, or if they are enrolled nurses.

The Coalition would maintain the scrapping of these incentives. The Coalition would also provide apprentices with a Trade Support Loan of up to $20,000 over four years during your apprenticeship. It will be repayable at the same income threshold for university students who receive FEE-HELP loans (currently $51,309).

If you’re a low income earner…

And you earn less than $19,400, from 2015-16 you would not need to file a tax return because Labor intends to increase the tax free threshold.

The Coalition would abolish the low income super contribution, which pays people who earn $37,000 or less per year up to $500 each financial year to help save for their retirement.

If you’re unemployed…

Labor would spend $35 million over three years to provide about 8900 disadvantaged jobseekers with simulated work experience and training in employability skills such as language, literacy and numeracy.

The Coalition would give people who have been unemployed for 12 months or more and are on Newstart or Youth Allowance a $2500 Job Commitment Bonus if they get a job and remain off welfare for one year. People would receive a further $4000 if they remain off welfare for two years.

The Coaltion will also provide up to $6000 for long-term unemployed job seekers if they moved to a regional area for a job, or $3000 if they moved to a metropolitan area.

If you work in the public service…

Labor would increase the public service efficiency dividend from 1.25 to 2.25 per cent for three years, a move unions say could cost more than 5000 jobs. The dividend is an annual funding reduction for Commonwealth government agencies, designed to reduce operating costs and lift efficiency.

The Coalition would reduce jobs by 12,000. It says the jobs would be lost through natural attrition.

If you’re applying for a 457 visa…

From next month fees will rise to more than $1000. The cost for a family of four applying to the scheme will go from $450 to $5050.

Both Labor and the Coalition would do this.

If you’re a small-business owner…

Labor says it would cut the red tape by administering paid parental leave through Centrelink for businesses with fewer than 20 employees.

Labor would give an upfront tax deduction for small businesses when they buy equipment and assets worth up to $10,000.

Labor would also reduce GST reporting requirements from four times a year to just once a year for businesses with turnover of less than $20 million a year.

Labor would also extend the free small business superannuation clearing house to businesses with less than 100 employees from July 1, 2014.

The Coalition would spend $6 million to create a Small Business and Family Enterprise Ombudsman. It would also spend $3 million to improve access for small businesses to Commonwealth contracts. It would also spend $1 billion to cut red tape including changing superannuation payment methods.

The Coalition would also spend $1 million to extend unfair contract protections so they cover small businesses as well as consumers.

But the Coalition would axe a $6500 instant asset write off for small businesses with turnover less than $2 million.

It would also axe a tax-loss carry-forward scheme, which allows businesses to claim losses of up to $1 million against tax they have paid in the previous two years.

If you work in manufacturing…

Labor would invest $35.6 million to assist about 6800 new and existing manufacturing workers in upskilling for hi-tech manufacturing.

The Coalition would introduce a $50 million manufacturing transition grant program over two years. Grants would be available to communities, business and stakeholders to help them transition to competitive industries.

It would also restore funding to Export Market Development Grants starting with an initial $50 million boost.

If you work in health or community services…

Labor would spend $30.6 million to support more than 5800 workers to be upskilled in sectors such as disability services, aged care and childhood education.

If you work in the car industry…

Labor would give a $500 million boost to the car industry funding to the end of the decade and $300 million a year beyond 2020. If you work for Toyota, Labor would contribute $23.6 million towards Toyota’s $123 million investment in its local manufacturing operations. The government would also pay $1 million this financial year and $1.4 million per year from 2014 to 2017 in assistance to Ford Australia workers.

The Coalition would cut $500 million from the Automotive Transformation Scheme, and would launch a Productivity Commission review into public funding for the Australian car industry.

If you’re working and studying…

Labor would defer and review the introduction of a $2000 cap on tax deductions for self-education expenses.

The Coalition has called on Labor to scrap the cap completely, but has not committed to doing the same thing.

If you work for defence…

Labor would introduce measures so all families of Australian Defence Force personnel would be able to receive reimbursement for gap expenses when visiting a general practitioner.

The Coalition would also reimburse ADF families for out of pocket GP expenses. The Coalition would return defence spending to 2 per cent of GDP from the current level of 1.59 per cent within a decade.

If you don’t like the carbon tax…

Labor would terminate a fixed carbon price from next July. Families would save an average of $380 in the first year, plus the household assistance package linked to the carbon tax would remain in place. Labor would instead introduce an emissions trading scheme with a floating carbon price of about $6 a tonne.

The Coalition would axe the carbon tax. It would instead establish an Emissions Reduction Fund of $3 billion to allocate money in response to emission reduction tenders to projects designed to reduce carbon emissions.

If you’re in a same sex relationship…

And want to get married, Labor would introduce a Bill into the Parliament to legalise same-sex marriage within 100 days of being re-elected.

If you use the internet…

Labor would roll out the National Broadband Network which aims for speeds of 1000 megabits per second by 2021.

The Coalition broadband would aim for at least 25-100 Mbps by 2016 and 50-100 Mbps by 2019.

If you’re planning on having a baby…

You are eligible to receive Labor’s current paid parental leave. This is 18 weeks’ pay at the rate of the national minimum wage.

The Coalition would give mothers who give birth after July 2015 six months’ leave on full pay, capped at $75,000.

If you are a victim of terrorism…

The Coalition would provide assistance to Australians and their families who have been victims of terrorism overseas since September 10, 2001, up to a maximum of $75,000. Currently this assistance would be available for future victims but is not available for existing victims.

If you are an Indigenous Australian…

Labor promises a large number of measures under its Closing the Gap policy, including

$777 million over three years to continue the National Partnership Agreement for health and

$1.5 billion to provide jobseekers in remote communities with local support.

The Coalition would spend $10 million to fund four trial sites for jobs training for Indigenous Australians.

It would also provide up to $45 million to support the GenerationOne employment model, creating job opportunities for up to 5000 indigenous Australians. The Coalition would also establish a Prime Minister’s Indigenous Advisory Council.

If you plan on buying a car…

Labor would axe the fringe benefits tax break employees receive for buying cars though salary sacrifice.

The Coalition would abandon these planned changes.

If you have a disability…

Labor would invest more than $14 billion for disability services over seven years for DisabilityCare.

The Coalition has also committed to implementing the National Disability Insurance Scheme.

If you require aged care…

Labor would invest $3.7 billion in aged care reform over five years, including more than 40,000 extra home care packages.

If you’re a victim of assault…

… that is sexual assault or domestic violence related, Labor would spend $31.2 million to support victims.

If you have health issues…

Labor would spend $50 million to improve care for stroke sufferers, $10.5 million on emergency asthma training, $3.2 million funding for Arthritis Australia, $21 million for family mental health services and $30 million for STI and blood borne virus prevention.

The Coalition would increase mental health spending by $430 million, spend $35 million to help find a cure for type 1 diabetes and provide a further $200 million over five years for dementia research.

If you have private health insurance…

The Coalition would “fully restore” the private health insurance rebate. The 30 per cent rebate is currently means-tested for individuals earning more than $83,000 and families earning more than $166,000. Singles earning more than $129,000 and families earning over $258,000 receive no rebate.

The Coalition would also scrap the means test but has not said when they would do this.

If you’re a senior…

The Coalition would index eligibility for the Commonwealth Seniors Health Card. This would allow more self-funded retirees to access the Commonwealth Seniors Health Card and medicines listed on the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme at the concessional rate.

If you run a company…

The Coalition would cut the company tax rate by 1.5 per cent from 1 July 2015. But if you run one of the 3200 biggest companies in Australia, the Coalition would impose a 1.5 per cent levy to pay for part of its Paid Parental Leave Scheme.

If you’re a smoker…

Labor would increase the smoking tax so a pack of 20 cigarettes would cost you an extra $5.25 by the end of 2016.

The Coalition would increase the smoking tax by the same amount.

If you pay super…

The Coalition will delay increases to the super guarantee. This means it will be frozen at its current rate of 9.25 per cent until July 1, 2016 when it will increase to 9.5 per cent.

I don't profess to be anything hence why I asked to see the source because I obviously never saw it.

And as for your post above, you are a failure as a human being.

-PB

It doesn't say anything about putting the gays to death and beating your slaves :( Worst Christian Values document ever,

I think religious parties should be banned...

Nothing to read here folks just Corrine and her self righteous excrement. She's clearly never had to contemplate real issues before and thinks the worlds ills can be solved by being nice to refugees and kinder to poor people.

She especially proves how retarded she is when talks about dismantling the emissions trading scheme when it's a fucking carbon tax. Ironic she mentions our carbon footprint per capita but nothing about our refugee intake, second highest in the world, other than our "untold cruelty".

She and people like her simply don't understand the world works differently than they wish it did.

I was bored enough to click on the link and wondered "is it possible to write something stupider than this?"
then I saw your comment. Apparently it is

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The feeling is reciprocated.

Just out of curiosity does the bible actually say slavery is a natural condition?

Are asylum seekers really clogging our roads and hospitals?

Date
September 4, 2013 - 12:33PM
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Jonathan Pearlman and Peter Martin

The claim

Asylum seekers were first blamed for jumping queues, now they are blamed for joining them.

The Liberal candidate in the western Sydney seat of Lindsay, Fiona Scott, infamously linked asylum seeker numbers and traffic overcrowding this week. She also said they played a role in the overcrowding of hospitals.

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It's worth reading her words on Four Corners in context.

Reporter: That's a pretty hot topic, isn't it, asylum seekers?

Fiona Scott: Well yeah, it is a hot topic, but it's a hot topic here because our traffic is overcrowded. I mean you guys have been here a few days now, and I mean how much fun is the M4 in peak hour? It's not fun at all. And you know, you imagine a mum, you know, it's a classic example, ah trying to be back for a six o'clock pick-up from day-care, and every minute you're late you're getting charged. Now you multiply that by a couple of kids, it means that when you think of overcrowding it becomes an issue for people, it really does.

Reporter: So you mention asylum seekers and overcrowding. I don't quite get the connection.

Fiona Scott: Well, my recommendation is go and sit in the Emergency Department of Nepean Hospital or go and sit on the M4 and people see 50,000 people come in by boat; that's more than twice the population of Glenmore Park where we just were.

She was subsequently accused of suggesting the nation's 50,000-odd asylum seekers were causing overcrowding and sought to clarify her comments in the Penrith Press.

"That is not what I was saying at all," she said. "When people hear those sorts of numbers they are concerned."

Scott says she does not agree with the concerns. Nor does PolitiFact. It has looked into them and found them absurd.

Supporting evidence

PolitiFact did not take up Scott's advice and sit on the M4, though we did take a peek at the Live Traffic NSW's camera feeds. It was not a pretty sight.

It also had a quick look at NSW Health's handy website showing the number of patients waiting in Nepean Hospital's emergency department. At 2.40pm, there were four people waiting, but only two or none at nearby hospitals.

The surge of boat people since Rudd took office in 2007 totals 50,000, but most are not in western Sydney and fewer still have bought cars.

The Refugee Council of Australia says that in the areas surrounding the Nepean Hospital - Blacktown, Hawkesbury, Penrith and Blue Mountains – there were 161 asylum seekers last year. The 2011 census shows the area has a population of 617,861.

Paul Power, the head of the Refugee Council, says very few asylum seekers can afford cars and that many can no longer afford public transport because they are no longer entitled to work or to public transport concessions. If anything, he says, the people of western Sydney might have noticed "a modest increase in footpath traffic".

"The number of asylum seekers are small in a city of 4 to 5 million people - we are talking about 10,000 people at most," he says.

Western Sydney does have a higher proportion of residents not born in Australia, though the seat of Lindsay does not. About 75 per cent of Lindsay's 150,000-odd residents were born in Australia, compared with 70 per cent nationally.

Power says Australia has been taking in about 200,000 legal migrants a year and very few of these are asylum seekers. But, he says, many people may notice an influx of migrants and conflate this with the issue of asylum seekers.

"People see more diversity and more people and traffic is getting heavier and they hear a public debate about asylum seekers arriving. They are equating the two and it is not the case at all … This [overcrowding] was an issue in the 2010 election and there were even fewer asylum seekers then than now,” he says.

Does it stack up?

Clearly, asylum seekers are not to blame for problems with services in western Sydney.

But it is true that some people have made the link.

Scott herself is not blaming asylum seekers for a lack of services of western Sydney. But her comment suggests that it makes sense for people in her area to make the link.

She says she is simply reflecting the concerns of a community she seeks to represent. That community can make up its own mind on Saturday whether she is a suitable person to do so.

Finding

A PolitiFact rating of "mostly false" applies where a statement contains an element of truth but ignores critical facts that would give a different impression.

The element of truth lies in Scott's claim that asylum seekers are a hot topic sometimes linked to traffic.

PolitiFact rates her claim “mostly false”.

Details at www.politifact.com.au

Fairfax is partnering with the Pulitzer-prize winning service PolitiFact during the election campaign. Its Australian arm politifact.com.au uses the same rigorous methodology as its US parent to rate the accuracy of claims by elected officials and other influential people in the Australian political debate.



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/fact-checker/are-asylum-seekers-really-clogging-our-roads-and-hospitals-20130904-2t4i3.html#ixzz2dvOLSMpx

Commercial TV response to criticism of Murdoch:

Pack of bloody lefty pinko commo's causing trouble if you ask me....

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-PB

lol no.

The old testament had a system where if someone owed you a debt and had no other means to repay it they could be a slave for a maximum of seven years. It is unrecognizable from modern slavery where you hunt and bash people, kidnap them and keep them for life. Also there were no interest on debts so there was no predatory lending and it would have been a big deal to not pay off a debt. Thats not to say that there aren't aspects of this that wouldn't sit uncomfortably with modern society. You were allowed to beat a slave if they didn't work for you. It should also be pointed out that the old testament was a system of punishment toward people who did the wrong thing. You could for example get stoned to death for saying something negative about your parents. The new testament says that the old testament is a tutorial showing that we need grace (and not a system of punishing sinners). When Jesus said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" he was not only arguing the moral need for mercy but also the practical need. Punishing sinners fairly (where fairly is defined by the old testament law) would cause the human race to go extinct. If they believed in the law then not one of them should have been alive to stone the woman to death. There are also many laws in the old testament about treating your slaves well. I should point out that I have taken a very literal reading of the old testaments talk on slavery. Some Christians say that God was doing "harm minimization" in a world where slavery was everywhere and unavoidable and that the law only needed to be strict enough to show everyone as guilty.

Later in Jeremiah we are told that God was mad with Israel because they were charging interest (which allows for predatory loaning) and keeping slaves indefinitely. The king reversed this custom of keeping slaves indefinitely and Jeremiah said that God is no longer going to destroy israel (despite this being the only good thing the king did that is recorded). The king changed his mind again and to keep a long story short God threatened to lay the smack down on him. This is strong evidence that the old testament is against slavery as it is usually defined. Other mentions of slavery in the old testament is God having compassion on israel for being israel's slaves and freeing them. Also there are the gideonites who were kept as slaves though God never endorsed this and they presumably would have had to free them on the year of jubilee (not sure if they did in practice or not)

As for the new testament there are many verses about slaves being good to their masters however saying this endorses slavery is like saying "love your enemies" is a verse condoning your enemies. In philemon there is a story of an escaped slave and paul writing to his master to basically say "well you may have lost a slave but look on the bright side, you have gained a brother. Take him back as a brother" (slight paraphrase lol). Also in the new testament people are told "if you get a chance for freedom take it"

Finally it should be pointed out the historical effect the Bible has had on the issue of slavery. William wilberforce was motivated by the Bible, the author of amazing grace was a slave trader then eventually quit after converting (and writing the song). The north in the civil war had as their battle song the need to die for slaves like Jesus died for us (whereas the south's battle song had no mention of God "to arms for dixie) and the african american church drew inspiration from the Bible where they saw "a God who sided with the slaves". Finally in the modern world where slavery is at an all time high Christians are very involved in the abolition of slavery. In fact it is barely an exageration to say they are almost alone in this fight in terms of involvement

Rupert Murdoch's Newspapers Declare War on Australia's Prime Minister
5:00 AM PDT 9/4/2013 by Pip Bulbeck


Murdoch, left, tweeted of Rudd: He's "all over the place, convincing no one."

"Let's Kick This Mob Out!" declares a headline as the mogul throws his weight behind a campaign to oust Labor Party leader Kevin Rudd to protect his home continent's TV properties.

When Australian voters go to the polls Sept. 7, it will mark the end of the nastiest election campaign the country has seen in 40 years. But the ugliest battles aren't between the political foes, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd of the center-left Labor Party and Tony Abbott of the conservative Liberal National Coalition. They're between Rudd and Rupert Murdoch, who is throwing the full weight of his media empire behind an effort to oust Rudd.
Murdoch-owned papers, which control about 70 percent of the local market, have run covers featuring Rudd as a Nazi, as Col. Klink from Hogan's Heroes and as Mr. Rude from the Mr. Men kids books. News Corp's Daily Telegraph in Sydney has dropped all pretense of impartiality, publishing a picture of Rudd under the headline, "Let's Kick This Mob Out!"
PHOTOS: Rupert Murdoch's Family Photos
Aussie elections tend to be rough affairs, but the tone this year has prompted the country's Press Council chief Julian Disney to remind media (read: Murdoch) that "a paper's editorial viewpoints and its advocacy of them must be kept separate from its news columns."
Murdoch, 82, long has used his media outlets to batter politicians. In the 1975 Australian election, campaign journalists at Murdoch's The Australian threatened to strike over his reporting demands. He once coordinated a campaign in the U.K. to expel Prime Minster Gordon Brown.
But this year, Murdoch has turned up the heat, even dispatching veteran News Corp flamethrower (and New York Post editor) Col Allan to provide "extra editorial leadership" in Australia. Local media watcher Jonathan Holmes believes Murdoch has become more politically reactionary as he grows older, "especially now that he has parted ways with [estranged wife] Wendi and her leftie Hollywood friends," Holmes wrote for News Corp rival Fairfax Media.
STORY: Rupert Murdoch's Pay for Latest Fiscal Year Dropped to $28.9 Million
In the financial press, Murdoch's anti-Rudd campaign is seen as a deliberate play to use his print assets to protect TV properties such as Australian pay TV giant Foxtel, in which Murdoch holds a 50 percent stake.
Rudd's plan to build a $43 billion national broadband network would mean greater competition for Foxtel from VOD players such as Quickflix and Fetch TV and, ultimately, perhaps even Netflix and Hulu.
All told, Australian businesses make up a hefty 36 percent of revenue at News Corp since its June split from 21st Century Fox.
Whatever the outcome Sept. 7, Rudd, now considered the underdog, is feeling the heat. As former Murdoch editor Bruce Guthrie put it: "News does not play fair. And it's not always troubled by the truth."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/rupert-murdochs-newspapers-declare-war-619379?

Rupert Murdoch's Newspapers Declare War on Australia's Prime Minister
5:00 AM PDT 9/4/2013 by Pip Bulbeck


Murdoch, left, tweeted of Rudd: He's "all over the place, convincing no one."

"Let's Kick This Mob Out!" declares a headline as the mogul throws his weight behind a campaign to oust Labor Party leader Kevin Rudd to protect his home continent's TV properties.

When Australian voters go to the polls Sept. 7, it will mark the end of the nastiest election campaign the country has seen in 40 years. But the ugliest battles aren't between the political foes, Prime Minister Kevin Rudd of the center-left Labor Party and Tony Abbott of the conservative Liberal National Coalition. They're between Rudd and Rupert Murdoch, who is throwing the full weight of his media empire behind an effort to oust Rudd.
Murdoch-owned papers, which control about 70 percent of the local market, have run covers featuring Rudd as a Nazi, as Col. Klink from Hogan's Heroes and as Mr. Rude from the Mr. Men kids books. News Corp's Daily Telegraph in Sydney has dropped all pretense of impartiality, publishing a picture of Rudd under the headline, "Let's Kick This Mob Out!"
PHOTOS: Rupert Murdoch's Family Photos
Aussie elections tend to be rough affairs, but the tone this year has prompted the country's Press Council chief Julian Disney to remind media (read: Murdoch) that "a paper's editorial viewpoints and its advocacy of them must be kept separate from its news columns."
Murdoch, 82, long has used his media outlets to batter politicians. In the 1975 Australian election, campaign journalists at Murdoch's The Australian threatened to strike over his reporting demands. He once coordinated a campaign in the U.K. to expel Prime Minster Gordon Brown.
But this year, Murdoch has turned up the heat, even dispatching veteran News Corp flamethrower (and New York Post editor) Col Allan to provide "extra editorial leadership" in Australia. Local media watcher Jonathan Holmes believes Murdoch has become more politically reactionary as he grows older, "especially now that he has parted ways with [estranged wife] Wendi and her leftie Hollywood friends," Holmes wrote for News Corp rival Fairfax Media.
STORY: Rupert Murdoch's Pay for Latest Fiscal Year Dropped to $28.9 Million
In the financial press, Murdoch's anti-Rudd campaign is seen as a deliberate play to use his print assets to protect TV properties such as Australian pay TV giant Foxtel, in which Murdoch holds a 50 percent stake.
Rudd's plan to build a $43 billion national broadband network would mean greater competition for Foxtel from VOD players such as Quickflix and Fetch TV and, ultimately, perhaps even Netflix and Hulu.
All told, Australian businesses make up a hefty 36 percent of revenue at News Corp since its June split from 21st Century Fox.
Whatever the outcome Sept. 7, Rudd, now considered the underdog, is feeling the heat. As former Murdoch editor Bruce Guthrie put it: "News does not play fair. And it's not always troubled by the truth."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/rupert-murdochs-newspapers-declare-war-619379?

Crisis? What Crisis?

Not the first time Murdoch has done such political bias on front page news.

-PB

You mean, the media is biased....Guthrie sounds pinko to me.

I don't think that this thread should be between two parties anymore. Some minor parties are coming home strong. A couple of, let's just say, Facebook friends aren't going the traditional route, as are many others.

1 Kings 9:20-21

And all the people that were left of the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, which were not of the children of Israel,

Their children that were left after them in the land, whom the children of Israel also were not able utterly to destroy, upon those did Solomon levy a tribute of bondservice unto this day.

Pretty much.

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Abbott's laugh is creepy enough without needing this :)

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"Ha ha ha ha ha"