$400 million a year to get involved. Best use of our funds in a "budget emergency"?

That's like saying "why don't Catholics around the world condemn the IRA" I'm guessing the reason is because most people around aren't affected by what happens on the other side of the world and the rest are either too busy living their own lives or don't think their voice will make a difference....or don't give a shit.

which part of that is "NO HE"S NOT" aimed at???

](*,) ](*,) ummm he is currently stationed in Australia, the abuse is on Australian soil....

I'd say the spitting on business seems a bit far fetched.

That shit would be national news right now if it was RE: Soldier abused in Melbourne a few days ago.

-PB

Umm it was spat at, and yes it happens more than you choose to accept, as a gesture.....usually occurs as some verbal abuse then a gesture of spitting on the ground....... and he and his men are told to ignore it keep it quite and don't make a fuss about it......

Well of course they are, what would be a suitable response?

-PB

does one exist???

but of course when Labor spend on military incursions it's AOK....;) roght

Well that's why I'm asking lol. Hence while they are told to "let it go".

-PB

How many times do we have to go over that just because I and others here disagree with something the LNP is doing (admittedly it's pretty much everything at the moment) does not instantly mean we support the Labor party's policy? If you can let me know I can get it over with a bit quicker and we can all move on ;)

Military involvement and it's associated costs is something very different from the budget situation. We don't get involved in military matters unless it's very serious. In this case the humanitarian and terrorism threat ISIS represents to the west and wider world make it vitally important that we stamp it out, and it should be considered an investment In our long term economic and national security by eliminating primitive threats to peace and order.

The budget situation is more to do with wasteful spending where you have too much money going out on things like Medicare and school kids bonus and not enough coming in to pay for it all, which creates an imbalance which adds to the debt burden, which affects things like the cost of borrowing and sees more money get paid out on interest rather than spent on areas where it's really needed.

What do you think would happen if we actually did stamp out ISIS? I could name at least a half dozen splinter groups that are ready to move in. They are not as resourced but some of them are just as brutal. The perpetual bombing of the Middle East by the West is creating generation after generation of terrorists. It's abundantly clear that the current strategy is ad hoc and there is no foreseeable end game.

I can understand the desire for intervention but I currently cannot see any benefit for it.

Also, your reasoning that continued bombing will create a safer west / world has zero basis in reality. I don't know when this narrative began but blowback is a well understood and established phenomenon. I really don't understand how people fathom that bombing ISIS will make us safer in the West. Why would further attacks de-radicalise people? If people believe there are radicals in Australia, why would you think this would make them less likely to attack home targets?

People need to stop buying in to the narrative that is sold to them and just think logically about it for a minute.

Edited by Shatter: 17/9/2014 12:22:04 AM

Very well said. One of Bin Ladens goals was to get the west drawn into a long and costly war to hurt our economies in the long run. These current morons we have in power are just playing into their hands.

It wasn't just one of his goals, It was THE goal. Create enough disorder and barbarism around the planet so the US end up overcommitting resources until it can't sustain itself.

well there you go....looks like both questions have been answered.....

i find it hard to comprehend how you get through life, you're are such a negative and dismissive individual, so i guess you are a big Christine Milne fan??? lol.....](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,)

some huge assumptions here........have you considered the 100,000 displaced people who are running from ISIS??? losing their families, houses, lives to these people???

Maybe we should increase our refugee intake, or do you only care about humanitarian things when they're not on our doorstep?

well the humanitarian aspect is a very difficult one isn't it? there are so many occurring at any one time, i find it hard to understand why in certain countries there are atrocities taking place and the world sits and watches and does nothing and in other countries we rush in. i think we have the capacity to increase our refugee intake, as long as it is planned and scrutinised correctly.

What scrutiny? Only let the ones in that can further our national interest?

And the next 100,000 that will be displaced post-ISIS when the next group takes their place.

-PB

NO..... legitimacy and safety are the main two.

that is IF there is another group................good part of this is we are weeding out the nutjobs....;)

How do you explain "the nutjobs" multiplying by order of magnitude since 2003?

probably directly proportional to the funding and training supplied by the Saudi's

So what? This generation has been in the making since 2001. We planted the seed of hatred why do we have to go back and water it some more?

Has the fact that that's what they want missed your attention? Are you 10? Do you need glasses? Is there a hole in your brain? Does your stupidity know no bounds?

go eat a bag of cocks fucktard.....!

sounds like you were hatched from shit on a gatepost maggot

so what? are you saying we only have terrorists and extremists due to and since the Iraq war????