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433 wrote:
The whole anti-immigrant sentiment is a fucking sham designed to target working class Australians.

Sure, they turn on Channel 7/9 and see that the government is cracking down on illegal visa's and illegal immigrants and think "yeah this government is looking out for me". Then they go back to their cooking/renovation/celebrity worship show.

Yet this government has overseen the largest economic migration in history into this country. Overseas investors have priced first-home buyers out of the market; 457's and immigrating workers mean that it is harder than ever to find a job. Many companies have gone offshore at the expense of the now destroyed manufacturing sector.

Then these people turn around and wonder why they can't find work.

Fucking morons.

Edited by 433: 29/8/2015 06:17:58 PM

Its all due the votes that both sets of parties want. They will anything to get those votes
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trident wrote:
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Bill Shorten backed the operation so I dont think this is political.

:lol: no it was political in the sense that it was being used to quash opposition to the government. It's political in the sense that it's supposed to give the Liberal party a boost in the polls.

Edited by mcjules: 29/8/2015 05:50:53 PM


It has bipartisan support. You think Shorten only agreed because it was popular with the public?

Mate of course. "National security" and other fear tactics are often successful for Tory governments. ALP are doing their best to limit their effectiveness by making sure there's little difference between them.

I'm not saying there isn't a smidgen of belief in this sort of thing in the labor party, the dominant faction isn't called the Labor Right for nothing. However there is political maneuvering happening by both sides on this.

Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here

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mcjules wrote:
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Bill Shorten backed the operation so I dont think this is political.

:lol: no it was political in the sense that it was being used to quash opposition to the government. It's political in the sense that it's supposed to give the Liberal party a boost in the polls.

Edited by mcjules: 29/8/2015 05:50:53 PM


It has bipartisan support. You think Shorten only agreed because it was popular with the public?

"National security" and other fear tactics are often successful for Tory governments. ALP are doing their best to limit their effectiveness by making sure there's little difference between them.

Spot on.
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The poll numbers give Labor a large enough buffer to go to the election with an ETS.
They will need to hammer the Libs on Direct Action, to counter the inevitable 'Carbon Tax MK II' fear mongering.
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So peter duttons office knew about operation fortitude on Wednesday but didnt think it warranted telling the minister himself :lol: . Abott distancing himself and saying he didnt know about it. Wtf is going on with the lnp ? This much chaos and everyone is ignoring it in the mainstream
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
So peter duttons office knew about operation fortitude on Wednesday but didnt think it warranted telling the minister himself :lol: . Abott distancing himself and saying he didnt know about it. Wtf is going on with the lnp ? This much chaos and everyone is ignoring it in the mainstream


Not as chaotic as the previous six years under Labor.
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vanlassen wrote:
MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
So peter duttons office knew about operation fortitude on Wednesday but didnt think it warranted telling the minister himself :lol: . Abott distancing himself and saying he didnt know about it. Wtf is going on with the lnp ? This much chaos and everyone is ignoring it in the mainstream


Not as chaotic as the previous six years under Labor.

On what metric? More leadership changes? If keeping leaders means keeping Tony Abbott give me that chaos any day.

Edited by mcjules: 30/8/2015 10:14:44 AM

Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here

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mcjules wrote:
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MvFCArsenal16.8 wrote:
So peter duttons office knew about operation fortitude on Wednesday but didnt think it warranted telling the minister himself :lol: . Abott distancing himself and saying he didnt know about it. Wtf is going on with the lnp ? This much chaos and everyone is ignoring it in the mainstream


Not as chaotic as the previous six years under Labor.

On what metric? More leadership changes? If keeping leaders means keeping Tony Abbott give me that chaos any day.

Edited by mcjules: 30/8/2015 10:14:44 AM


Exactly on that metric. The previous Labor government was such a farce that they couldn't even keep a leader for a full term. As bad as Tony Abbott has been, his government has been an improvement on what we had under Labor.


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vanlassen wrote:
Exactly on that metric. The previous Labor government was such a farce that they couldn't even keep a leader for a full term. As bad as Tony Abbott has been, his government has been an improvement on what we had under Labor.

Well on the metric that the conservatives like most to use, the economy (which is an exceedingly narrow world view), they are worse than Labor. Much worse.
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Murdoch Rags Ltd wrote:
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Exactly on that metric. The previous Labor government was such a farce that they couldn't even keep a leader for a full term. As bad as Tony Abbott has been, his government has been an improvement on what we had under Labor.

Well on the metric that the conservatives like most to use, the economy (which is an exceedingly narrow world view), they are worse than Labor. Much worse.


I think the Liberals policies are very good for the economy. Signing three Free Trade Agreements with three of our biggest exporting markets is huge for the Australian economy.

Where their policies lack is in the social aspects. The GP Co-payment is good for making our doctors surgeries more efficient but do we want to live in a society where people have to question whether they can afford to go to the doctors. Likewise the deregulation of university fees will make our universities more competitive but do people want a university system in which people cannot afford Higher education.

I look at alot of their policies and I don't hear many arguments against the economic basis of what is being proposed. I hear more about the social and environmental impacts.
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Tard News wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
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Stopping random people in the CBD has nothing to do with stopping terrorists, and EVERYTHING to do with "displaying force" to the general population so the govt can win "security" brownie points.

Even the over-the-top press release and reaction is intended - they want the rent-a-crowd lefties to come out and protest.

So then the political narrative shifts from the govt's problems to "security", an issue conservative govts always benefit from. The average joe will take the govt side when he sees the Socialist Alliance crowd out protesting on the news.

And everyone forgets about the govt problems of the last few months.

Exactly this =d>

Also do people really think the Lindt Cafe Siege was a terrorist attack?


Yep, exactly this. Labor does something the Left don't agree with. Blame the Conservatives.


That sentence was a train wreck from start to finish.

How are you linking Labor and it's policies to the Lindt Cafe Siege?

-PB


Lindt cafe incident does stink of a "False Flag".


:lol: You're kidding right?
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trident wrote:
Tard News wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
vanlassen wrote:
mcjules wrote:
AzzaMarch wrote:
Stopping random people in the CBD has nothing to do with stopping terrorists, and EVERYTHING to do with "displaying force" to the general population so the govt can win "security" brownie points.

Even the over-the-top press release and reaction is intended - they want the rent-a-crowd lefties to come out and protest.

So then the political narrative shifts from the govt's problems to "security", an issue conservative govts always benefit from. The average joe will take the govt side when he sees the Socialist Alliance crowd out protesting on the news.

And everyone forgets about the govt problems of the last few months.

Exactly this =d>

Also do people really think the Lindt Cafe Siege was a terrorist attack?


Yep, exactly this. Labor does something the Left don't agree with. Blame the Conservatives.


That sentence was a train wreck from start to finish.

How are you linking Labor and it's policies to the Lindt Cafe Siege?

-PB


Lindt cafe incident does stink of a "False Flag".


:lol: You're kidding right?


If Tardnews doesn't take out the tin foil award then this will be a grave injustice.



Member since 2008.


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Highly intellectual discussions in ET on a range of topics and someone drops the "false flag" bomb :lol:
There's always one loose cannon.
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433 wrote:
The whole anti-immigrant sentiment is a fucking sham designed to target working class Australians.

Sure, they turn on Channel 7/9 and see that the government is cracking down on illegal visa's and illegal immigrants and think "yeah this government is looking out for me". Then they go back to their cooking/renovation/celebrity worship show.

Yet this government has overseen the largest economic migration in history into this country. Overseas investors have priced first-home buyers out of the market; 457's and immigrating workers mean that it is harder than ever to find a job. Many companies have gone offshore at the expense of the now destroyed manufacturing sector.

Then these people turn around and wonder why they can't find work.

Fucking morons.

Edited by 433: 29/8/2015 06:17:58 PM


Shut up, you tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist!
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mcjules wrote:
trident wrote:
mcjules wrote:
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Bill Shorten backed the operation so I dont think this is political.

:lol: no it was political in the sense that it was being used to quash opposition to the government. It's political in the sense that it's supposed to give the Liberal party a boost in the polls.

Edited by mcjules: 29/8/2015 05:50:53 PM


It has bipartisan support. You think Shorten only agreed because it was popular with the public?

Mate of course. "National security" and other fear tactics are often successful for Tory governments. ALP are doing their best to limit their effectiveness by making sure there's little difference between them.

I'm not saying there isn't a smidgen of belief in this sort of thing in the labor party, the dominant faction isn't called the Labor Right for nothing. However there is political maneuvering happening by both sides on this.


You are right. I miss Tony Blair. He never engaged in fear tactics. A true man of the people :)
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trident wrote:
mcjules wrote:
trident wrote:
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Bill Shorten backed the operation so I dont think this is political.

:lol: no it was political in the sense that it was being used to quash opposition to the government. It's political in the sense that it's supposed to give the Liberal party a boost in the polls.

Edited by mcjules: 29/8/2015 05:50:53 PM


It has bipartisan support. You think Shorten only agreed because it was popular with the public?

Mate of course. "National security" and other fear tactics are often successful for Tory governments. ALP are doing their best to limit their effectiveness by making sure there's little difference between them.

I'm not saying there isn't a smidgen of belief in this sort of thing in the labor party, the dominant faction isn't called the Labor Right for nothing. However there is political maneuvering happening by both sides on this.


You are right. I miss Tony Blair. He never engaged in fear tactics. A true man of the people :)

Yep Tony Blair was a true champion of the left :lol:

Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here

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Julie Bishop begging for more countries to fight IS.

Get it done Julz.

-PB

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Tard News wrote:
trident wrote:
Tard News wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
vanlassen wrote:
mcjules wrote:
AzzaMarch wrote:
Stopping random people in the CBD has nothing to do with stopping terrorists, and EVERYTHING to do with "displaying force" to the general population so the govt can win "security" brownie points.

Even the over-the-top press release and reaction is intended - they want the rent-a-crowd lefties to come out and protest.

So then the political narrative shifts from the govt's problems to "security", an issue conservative govts always benefit from. The average joe will take the govt side when he sees the Socialist Alliance crowd out protesting on the news.

And everyone forgets about the govt problems of the last few months.

Exactly this =d>

Also do people really think the Lindt Cafe Siege was a terrorist attack?


Yep, exactly this. Labor does something the Left don't agree with. Blame the Conservatives.


That sentence was a train wreck from start to finish.

How are you linking Labor and it's policies to the Lindt Cafe Siege?

-PB


Lindt cafe incident does stink of a "False Flag".


:lol: You're kidding right?


- Monis had a long running dispute with Channel 7 - where does shooting occur? Opposite Ch 7 Sydney office.

- Chick who was shot (Katrina Dawson) - her brother Sandy Dawson is Channel 7's Defamation Lawyer. Also, Katrina's family is friends with Gov-Gen Quentin Bryce and her son in Law, Bill Shorten.

Yeah, nothing to see here......

:lol:
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Tard News wrote:
trident wrote:
Tard News wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
vanlassen wrote:
mcjules wrote:
AzzaMarch wrote:
Stopping random people in the CBD has nothing to do with stopping terrorists, and EVERYTHING to do with "displaying force" to the general population so the govt can win "security" brownie points.

Even the over-the-top press release and reaction is intended - they want the rent-a-crowd lefties to come out and protest.

So then the political narrative shifts from the govt's problems to "security", an issue conservative govts always benefit from. The average joe will take the govt side when he sees the Socialist Alliance crowd out protesting on the news.

And everyone forgets about the govt problems of the last few months.

Exactly this =d>

Also do people really think the Lindt Cafe Siege was a terrorist attack?


Yep, exactly this. Labor does something the Left don't agree with. Blame the Conservatives.


That sentence was a train wreck from start to finish.

How are you linking Labor and it's policies to the Lindt Cafe Siege?

-PB


Lindt cafe incident does stink of a "False Flag".


:lol: You're kidding right?


- Monis had a long running dispute with Channel 7 - where does shooting occur? Opposite Ch 7 Sydney office.

- Chick who was shot (Katrina Dawson) - her brother Sandy Dawson is Channel 7's Defamation Lawyer. Also, Katrina's family is friends with Gov-Gen Quentin Bryce and her son in Law, Bill Shorten.

Yeah, nothing to see here......


:lol:
connect the dots
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Tard News wrote:
trident wrote:
Tard News wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
vanlassen wrote:
mcjules wrote:
AzzaMarch wrote:
Stopping random people in the CBD has nothing to do with stopping terrorists, and EVERYTHING to do with "displaying force" to the general population so the govt can win "security" brownie points.

Even the over-the-top press release and reaction is intended - they want the rent-a-crowd lefties to come out and protest.

So then the political narrative shifts from the govt's problems to "security", an issue conservative govts always benefit from. The average joe will take the govt side when he sees the Socialist Alliance crowd out protesting on the news.

And everyone forgets about the govt problems of the last few months.

Exactly this =d>

Also do people really think the Lindt Cafe Siege was a terrorist attack?


Yep, exactly this. Labor does something the Left don't agree with. Blame the Conservatives.


That sentence was a train wreck from start to finish.

How are you linking Labor and it's policies to the Lindt Cafe Siege?

-PB


Lindt cafe incident does stink of a "False Flag".


:lol: You're kidding right?


- Monis had a long running dispute with Channel 7 - where does shooting occur? Opposite Ch 7 Sydney office.

- Chick who was shot (Katrina Dawson) - her brother Sandy Dawson is Channel 7's Defamation Lawyer. Also, Katrina's family is friends with Gov-Gen Quentin Bryce and her son in Law, Bill Shorten.

Yeah, nothing to see here......

Also, you can use letters from the words "Lindt", "Katrina", "Man Haron Monis" and "Bill Shorten" to make the word "Illuminati".

This is very suspicious, isn't it? Almost as if the Illuminati was behind the Lindt Cafe incident.

However, you may notice that some of the letters from those words can spell "Illuminati", but the "u" is missing.

U. As in "You are a fuckwit". :lol:

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There is not much difference between the 2 major parties in terms of economic policies. The Libs had all the "debt and deficit" rhetoric before they won govt, but have shown that they can't do much better.

Everyone forgets that the reason the budget is in deficit had very little to do with "unsustainable spending", and everything to do with revenue projections falling off the edge of a cliff. People often conflate the economic stimulus spending (short term increase in spending) with the longer term deficit issue (structural reduction in revenues).

Both parties fail when it comes to structural tax reform. I am especially frustrated with the current' govt's retreat from a genuine debate. They just keep floating thought bubbles with no follow through.

The last major reform was the GST. I am no fan of Howard, but I respect the fact that he took a position, argued it, took it to an election, and won his case.
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What do the Channel 7 connections have to do with anything? How does that indicate a "false flag" operation?

If you are trying to make a cogent argument, you need to explain things fully, rather than just dump a bunch of pointless facts.
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Lets not resort to bullying. These people need help, not ridicule.

The problem with conspiracy theories is they are unfalsifiable.

Proponents can make the theories increasingly elaborate to accommodate new observations; and, ultimately, any information contradicting a conspiracy theory can be answered with, “Well sure, that’s what they want you to think.”

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Desperate Abbott struggles to maintain control

Bombing Syria, cutting taxes, and dumping Joe Hockey as Treasurer - the latest ideas coming out of this Government suggest Tony Abbott is desperately scrabbling for anything in the hope of escaping his dire situation, writes Paula Matthewson.

Of the many words that could describe Tony Abbott and his Government, "bumbling", "incoherent" and "embattled" readily spring to mind. Yet in recent days, the most apt description of all would have to be "desperate"....

...Abbott is said to have once told country independent MP Tony Windsor that he'd do anything to become PM, other than sell his arse. Yet now that he's Prime Minister, it appears Abbott will do anything to save his arse.

That apparently includes bombing Syria, because there's nothing like a bit of military action to warm the hearts of voters. The emergence of news that the PM's office actually asked Washington to ask us to join the air raids, and that Australia's involvement would add little to the exercise, confirms this latest sortie in Abbott's war on terrorism is little more than a desperate grab for patriotic votes.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-31/matthewson-desperate-abbott-struggles-to-maintain-control/6736594

Oh & for anyone claiming lefty bias, the author was once a media advisor to that other low hanging fruit picking fear monger, John Howard

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Cambodia deal in tatters after only four Nauru refugees resettled at cost of $13m each

Australia’s $55m plan to resettle refugees from Nauru to Cambodia appears finished, with just four refugees moved to the south-east Asian country at a cost of more than $13m per refugee.

Four refugees – an Iranian couple, Iranian man and a Rohingyan man from Burma – were transferred from Nauru to the Cambodian capital Phnom Penh in June.

Since then, they’ve lived in relative luxury in an Australian-funded villa, and will remain there indefinitely.

However, Cambodia expects it will take no more from Australia’s resettlement plan.

“We don’t have any plans to import more refugees from Nauru to Cambodia,” interior ministry spokesman Khieu Sopheak told the Cambodia Daily. “I think the less we receive the better.”

Under the deal, signed by previous immigration minister Scott Morrison and Cambodia’s interior minister Sar Kheng last September, Australia promised an additional $40m in aid to the impoverished south-east Asian country as well as $15.5m in resettlement, housing, education and integration costs for the refugees.

The deal was not contingent on Cambodia taking a certain number of refugees.

Throughout last year, the Cambodian government sent delegations to Nauru to promote the resettlement plan, but very few refugees even met with the government officials. Those visits have ceased.

Joe Lowry, a spokesman for the International Organisation for Migration, which has managed the four refugees’ resettlement in Cambodia, told the Cambodia Daily the group was doing “fine”.

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“They have asked for privacy so we are respecting that,” he said. The group is living in a villa in Phnom Penh, originally intended as temporary housing.

“When they are ready to leave [the villa] they can,” he said. “I don’t think any of them have expressed any desire to go.”

Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen, a former battalion commander in the Khmer Rouge, and who has ruled his country for 30 years, will visit Australia in December.

His regime is regarded as one of the most corrupt on earth. Transparency International ranks Cambodia 156th of 175 countries on its index of corruption perception.

Hun Sen, his family, and associates are alleged to have amassed billions of dollars in personal wealth, siphoning off aid money, and through corrupt sales of natural resources and land.

Rights groups, such as Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, say Hun Sen’s regime crushes dissent in the country through extrajudicial killings, torture, arbitrary arrests, summary trials, censorship and widespread bans on assembly and association.

A spokesman for immigration minister, Peter Dutton, told Fairfax the government was committed to its policy that no boat arrivals would be settled in Australia.

“The government continues to work with Cambodia and other partners, including source countries, to facilitate the return or placement of people on Nauru and Manus Island,” he said.
Labor’s immigration spokesman, Richard Marles, called on Dutton to explain the situation.

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“This is an expensive joke and once again we are learning about this through comments from ministers in the Cambodian government rather than ministers in our own government,” he told Sky News.

When the Cambodia deal was signed it was condemned by the United Nations, who described it as “a worrying departure from international norms” and said Australia was shirking its responsibility of people fleeing persecution.

“We are seeing record forced displacement globally, with 87% of refugees now being hosted in developing countries. It’s crucial that countries do not shift their refugee responsibilities elsewhere,” the UN’s high commissioner for refugees, António Guterres, said.

“International responsibility sharing is the basis on which the whole global refugee system works. I hope that the Australian government will reconsider its approach.”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/31/cambodia-has-no-plans-to-take-more-nauru-refugees-in-55m-australia-deal

Another fail :lol:

Insert Gertjan Verbeek gifs here

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salmonfc wrote:
Tard News wrote:
trident wrote:
Tard News wrote:
paulbagzFC wrote:
vanlassen wrote:
mcjules wrote:
AzzaMarch wrote:
Stopping random people in the CBD has nothing to do with stopping terrorists, and EVERYTHING to do with "displaying force" to the general population so the govt can win "security" brownie points.

Even the over-the-top press release and reaction is intended - they want the rent-a-crowd lefties to come out and protest.

So then the political narrative shifts from the govt's problems to "security", an issue conservative govts always benefit from. The average joe will take the govt side when he sees the Socialist Alliance crowd out protesting on the news.

And everyone forgets about the govt problems of the last few months.

Exactly this =d>

Also do people really think the Lindt Cafe Siege was a terrorist attack?


Yep, exactly this. Labor does something the Left don't agree with. Blame the Conservatives.


That sentence was a train wreck from start to finish.

How are you linking Labor and it's policies to the Lindt Cafe Siege?

-PB


Lindt cafe incident does stink of a "False Flag".


:lol: You're kidding right?


- Monis had a long running dispute with Channel 7 - where does shooting occur? Opposite Ch 7 Sydney office.

- Chick who was shot (Katrina Dawson) - her brother Sandy Dawson is Channel 7's Defamation Lawyer. Also, Katrina's family is friends with Gov-Gen Quentin Bryce and her son in Law, Bill Shorten.

Yeah, nothing to see here......

Also, you can use letters from the words "Lindt", "Katrina", "Man Haron Monis" and "Bill Shorten" to make the word "Illuminati".

This is very suspicious, isn't it? Almost as if the Illuminati was behind the Lindt Cafe incident.

However, you may notice that some of the letters from those words can spell "Illuminati", but the "u" is missing.

U. As in "You are a fuckwit". :lol:

Genuine lolled loudly at work.

Too much facepalm.
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Chairman of the Union Royal Commission announced he will not step aside.

Whilst the ALP will shout loudly about this, I suspect they will secretly be very happy as this will stay in the media for longer now. And we have reached a point where the Royal Commission being raised in the media doesn't remind the public of ALP - Union links (as originally intended by the govt) but will remind people of another reason why they don't like Abbott.

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lol @ Hockey been thrown under the bus.

-PB

https://i.imgur.com/batge7K.jpg

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lol @ Hockey been thrown under the bus.

-PB

Of course he is. And if we get scott morrison as the new treasurer and if abott believes he can sell the budget then he is more out touch than we thought he was
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