http://www.afr.com/news/policy/industrial-relations/abetz-accused-of-restacking-fair-work-ahead-of-his-cabinet-dumping-20150917-gjoysn

And who knows, give it a couple more years and potentially you will become as seemingly complacent/non-caring/etc. I hope if you don't, and stick to being a good worker, that you are rewarded for it m9

What industry do you work in? A lot of office jobs, unless you're dealing directly with clients, wouldn't give a shit if someone turns up even 30 minutes late as long as they're doing their work.

Fool ;)

I know. I read the article. The FWC also have representatives from the Labor party who were crucial in making the decision yesterday..

Big shake up in QLD state electoral boundaries.

-PB

My first reaction was "yall are harbouring Pauline Hanson, you brought this shit on yourselves" :lol:

Wow, do you honestly think cutting penalty rates is going to suddenly make more people go out shopping? The store and all the others close in that area early due to no foot traffic and this decision isn't going to effect that. 

In terms of underemployment this decision will most likely make things worse, anyone who works a Sunday shift will be down a good $50 to $80 so they'll have to pick up an extra shift each week which in some cases won't be possible. 

You've seen who voted for what? I've looked but I've yet to find any info on that. The fact that FWC has Labor appointed commission doesn't negate the fact that it's stacked.

I've being trying to find information regarding how the decision has been made. The best I've been able to learn was from a ten minute segment on Triple 's hack last night. They had a representative from the FWC talk about what went in to making the decision and the considerations made. Basically, what was said was that the decision was made after receiving submissions from small businesses, workers groups, unions etc and interviews conducted over a 3 year period. The information/booklet regarding the decision is over 500 pages long and the decision was made from various people of different political backgrounds.
From what I understood from the show was that the decision was agreed upon by both Labor and Liberal representative.

I just read that 4 of the 5 panel members on the commission were appointed by the previous Labor government.

Read a similar thing here though it was a quote from Trumble so...
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/02/24/labor-never-intended-wages-be-cut
It was good to see Dreyfus come out and admit they stuffed up with the rules. Admitting fault isn't something that the current government ever do.

Why would Labor set up the FWC if they didn't think they would make any changes? Labor literally appointed members of their own party for the FWC who just made the decision to cut penalty rates.

There are two ways to look at your quote.
 1. Labor do not understand how to govern a country as they do not understand the ramifications of the decisions they make i.e. setting up an independent FWC.
 2. Dreyfus is a liar.

They set it up for the same reason the LNP are trying to use it, have decisions appear to come from a body that's "independent" so that they wouldn't take any blame. They just didn't anticipate this outcome.

Plenty of evidence that the LNP have no clear how to govern a country :laugh:

Geez Louise McJules.

Dreyfus absolutely embarrassed himself on AM this morning. It was beyond farce and something writers of Yes Minister couldn't come up with in their wildest dreams.

Sabra Lane asked him time and again 'but you set the commission up'.  Dreyfus answers were along the lines of we never wanted to get this result and the rules are wrong.

Dreyfus, with a straight face, prosecuted an argument that basically said because the Labour party didn't get the result they wanted they needed to change the rules.  With absolutely no shame either.  Not one iota of embarrassment.

But don't take my word for it listen to it here. http://www.abc.net.au/am/  (Second story down.)

http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/news/audio/am/201702/20170224-am02-dreyfus.mp3

What a joke. Arguments about pay rates aside Bill Shorten stood up before the last election and said no matter what the Labour party would abide by the commission's finding even if they decided to cut penalty rates.

They never said they didn't set it up. They fucked up and admitted so. That's all.

I don't think it's good, and I don't think the independent commission was a good idea in the first place. I just said that it's better than the LNP who don't take ownership for anything.

lol if you didn't want the commission to have that kind of ability, well you shouldn't have given them the power lol.

-PB

Agreed.

There are 2 sides of this coin.

My moral side tells me that I am against the cuts because it hits low income workers and our young. Point number 1.

However, the irony is that years ago, these penalty cuts were already awarded but for workers working for the biggest corporates and multi-nationals - Coles, Woolworths, McDonald's etc etc. 

So the FWC has made a decision to bring everyone in line with that. Make the playing field between big business and small business EQUAL. 

If you ask me, all penalty rates should go back to 200% on Sundays, but that should apply to Coles, Woolworths, McDonalds too not just to small cafes and take away shops which can least afford to stay open even. 

So, either:
1) 200% penalty rates for all, or
2) 150% for all.

NOT, 200% for small business and 150% for big corporations. That would be not fair. 

Not that simple, in theory, the EBA's the bigger companies have negotiated have a higher regular rate in exchange for lower penalty rates. Now the SDA was involved so who knows if the workers were actually better off but that's the principle that was applied.

OK. So the big corporates pay a higher hourly rate in exchange for the 150%. Sounds fair.

then why not apply the same rules to small business? if they want 150% on Sundays, then pay a higher rate during the rest of the week. 

Or don't open Sunday's and the workers will really have something to complain about (sarcasm).

Mal down in the newspollz lol.

Surely he won't see out the full term.

-PB

That would have to be a business decision made by each individual business.

some businesses find that employing others is too much of a hassle - too much red tape, expense and also the quality of worker out there with all the bad attitude. others just simply can't afford to open and pay 200%

What's important is a level playing field for everyone, not one set of rules for huge companies and another for the tiny micro-business cafe or take-away shop owner. 

I'm all for 150% but why not raise the rate so that workers aren't really disadvantaged from losing their Double Pay on Sundays? 

But I do see you point about workers. Everyone has a whinge and there is a big Elephant in the room. For instance, if company tax rates are reduced (tin foil hat on) then what will be the affect of that for workers? 

I work for what you'd probably call a small to medium size consultancy firm. The biggest killer tax wise for us is payroll tax. To pay it, we basically work 2-3 months of the year for no profit.

I'm all for penalty rates as well but people need to be reasonable. Ask anyone who owns a small business and wages are one of the biggest costs.

2 or 3 months ! ! Farking hell.  You need to inform yourself at least once in a while.

In Qld the rate is 4.75%.  https://www.business.qld.gov.au/running-business/employing/payroll-tax/calculating/thresholds 

Based on a 52 week year that equates to 2.5 weeks.  

You're only out by a factor of somewhere between 320% and 480%.

Bloody Gen Y's, they've 'graduated' with Mickey Mouse degrees, a poor work ethic, an inability to conduct basic research, lack critical thinking skills and don't even possess a fundamental grasp of mathematics.  (At least 'millenials' can use the interwebz.) 

It's no wonder people like Pauline Hanson, Malcolm Roberts, Trump, Corey Bernadi et al managed to get elected when people swallow any old garbage,  99% of which could be rebutted with a modicum of effort, they hear in a conversation with an uninformed pillock. 

For the record Payroll Tax is an absolute farce that needs to go.  And in fact was supposed to go, along with stamp duty, with the introduction of the GST. 
 

As you millenials get older and wiser, you will be the first to vote for Hanson and Corey Bernardi!

Start stomping your feet because the revolution is coming. 

You're just a future conservative voter in the making, just in need of direction and moulding and then the time will come when you will be complaining about the generation or 2 that come after. lol

One day you will all learn that this Labor/Liberal farce is just a farce. 

I assumed whoever told him that factored in other things like Work Cover. Either way I'd be highly dubious if my employer told me something like that.

And yeah it should have gone. Really though the states relying on the feds to fund the services they manage is flawed. At the very least I reckon they should give health to the feds to manage.

You clown. 

You are so off you're embarrassing yourself.

'Better to remain quiet and be thought a fool than open one's mouth and remove all doubt.'